Hacking Devolution - Public Release

[EzekielRage]

I#d like to play the original disc because some games dont run on devolution but it would be cool to stillhave the devolution emulated memory card feature. because i dont have a memory card anymore. so if i want to play f-zero or second sight, i play the retail disc but with emulated memory card. that would be great^^

 

[wiismodrome]

I#d like to play the original disc because some games dont run on devolution but it would be cool to stillhave the devolution emulated memory card feature. because i dont have a memory card anymore. so if i want to play f-zero or second sight, i play the retail disc but with emulated memory card. that would be great^^

If a game does not run in Devolution when loading from a hard drive, why would it run in Devolution if loading from the game disc? It sounds like what you want is an emulated memory card feature that works when loading from disc in Gamecube mode. DIOS MIOS might be able to do that more easily.

 

[Etheboss]

Hehe, good luck, you know NMM support in DIOS MIOS is very poor, while mem emulation in Devo is near perfect..

That is why i get the suggestion from gbatenp. But i think there is not much usage for it because of the cons:

1. Drive wear
2. Disc wear
3. The constant changing of disc's which is tedious.

At present small HDD's are already big enough to hold every GC game ever made.

 

[JoostinOnline]

At present small HDD's are already big enough to hold every GC game ever made.

And you'd need a giant HDD to hold every piece of crap Wii shovelware ever made. Oh how times have changed.

 

[EzekielRage]

I#d like to play the original disc because some games dont run on devolution but it would be cool to stillhave the devolution emulated memory card feature. because i dont have a memory card anymore. so if i want to play f-zero or second sight, i play the retail disc but with emulated memory card. that would be great^^

If a game does not run in Devolution when loading from a hard drive, why would it run in Devolution if loading from the game disc? It sounds like what you want is an emulated memory card feature that works when loading from disc in Gamecube mode. DIOS MIOS might be able to do that more easily.

well that was my point. I do think that devolution could use a feature like that. run the original disc and emulate the memory card. if it uses wii mode to do that, i dont see a problem in doing that. there may be a dozen reasons why devolution does not play this game or that game. it is NOT an accurate gamecube emulation, obviously, or else it would run all games. (no offense).
so yes, i do think that running a game from disc would be a great option if memorycards are emulated through devolution.

 

[SifJar]

well that was my point. I do think that devolution could use a feature like that. run the original disc and emulate the memory card. if it uses wii mode to do that, i dont see a problem in doing that. there may be a dozen reasons why devolution does not play this game or that game. it is NOT an accurate gamecube emulation, obviously, or else it would run all games. (no offense).
so yes, i do think that running a game from disc would be a great option if memorycards are emulated through devolution.

I don't think you get the point: If a game doesn't work in Devolution, it won't matter what medium it is being loaded from; it will not work. It won't magically work because it's loading from a disc. It'd still be Wii mode (i.e. running on IOS, not MIOS), so the compatibility would be exactly the same.

 

[IncognitoMan]

If you go through all the effort to connect a USB gecko with your Wii and PC to run gecko dotnet and take screenshots you may as well load your original disc with gecko os imo.

The only problem is that Phantasy Star Online ( the game I'm wanting to do this with ) does not work in gamecube mode with the usb gecko ( I still don't know exactly why....and I've asked before with only "possibilities" as answers )

Since this works in Wii mode I figure that it'll probably work ( the only thing I can recall was something like PSO overwriting where gecko would reside in memory )

 

[SifJar]

The only problem is that Phantasy Star Online ( the game I'm wanting to do this with ) does not work in gamecube mode with the usb gecko ( I still don't know exactly why....and I've asked before with only "possibilities" as answers )

Since this works in Wii mode I figure that it'll probably work ( the only thing I can recall was something like PSO overwriting where gecko would reside in memory )

The additional features of the USB Gecko (i.e. debugging stuff, screenshots etc.) all rely on a piece of code that is not implemented in Devolution. Could it (theoretically) be implemented? Probably. Will it? That depends on whether tueidj thinks it is worthy of whatever amount of effort it would be. I have no idea how much effort it would be, so I couldn't even postulate as to whether it would be worth that amount of effort or not. Although I can point out that tueidj doesn't seem to have mentioned it as of yet, nor has he responded to your posts about it; generally speaking from what I've seen, if tueidj doesn't respond to a post, he probably isn't too interested in adding whatever was suggested in it. I'd say he's probably more focused on the features he already said he is working on, and probably trying to fix some other problematic games etc.

 

[retKHAAAN]

well that was my point. I do think that devolution could use a feature like that. run the original disc and emulate the memory card. if it uses wii mode to do that, i dont see a problem in doing that. there may be a dozen reasons why devolution does not play this game or that game. it is NOT an accurate gamecube emulation, obviously, or else it would run all games. (no offense).
so yes, i do think that running a game from disc would be a great option if memorycards are emulated through devolution.

I don't think you get the point: If a game doesn't work in Devolution, it won't matter what medium it is being loaded from; it will not work. It won't magically work because it's loading from a disc. It'd still be Wii mode (i.e. running on IOS, not MIOS), so the compatibility would be exactly the same.

I may be wrong but I believe dude is merely stating that it would be nice to be able to utilize the memcard emulation or future wiimote support without loading from a backup. Would be useful for those who are lacking a memcard or who are just interested in those features and not so much the backup loading.

 

[SifJar]

well that was my point. I do think that devolution could use a feature like that. run the original disc and emulate the memory card. if it uses wii mode to do that, i dont see a problem in doing that. there may be a dozen reasons why devolution does not play this game or that game. it is NOT an accurate gamecube emulation, obviously, or else it would run all games. (no offense).
so yes, i do think that running a game from disc would be a great option if memorycards are emulated through devolution.

I don't think you get the point: If a game doesn't work in Devolution, it won't matter what medium it is being loaded from; it will not work. It won't magically work because it's loading from a disc. It'd still be Wii mode (i.e. running on IOS, not MIOS), so the compatibility would be exactly the same.

I may be wrong but I believe dude is merely stating that it would be nice to be able to utilize the memcard emulation or future wiimote support without loading from a backup. Would be useful for those who are lacking a memcard or who are just interested in those features and not so much the backup loading.

I know, but I think he was also suggesting that it would eliminate compatibility issues. Although that may have stemmed from a misreading of his post, in which case I apologise.

 

[EzekielRage]

no biggie, english is not my first language, so sometimes i have slight troubles explaining myself. but yes, what Old8oy said^^

 

[RyanVashEngstrom]

Im also having trouble getting retail games to Verify. Im really interested in to PSO being played online again but cant get past 4 flashes and returned to homebrew channel Any ideas? could an old unused drive chip be the cause?

 

[tueidj]

Unless "unused" means completely removed from the wii, yes.

 

[PsyBlade]

you could try to disable the chip
SOME chips have such an feature is their options
even saw one with an physical external switch once

 

[crono141]

I will never understand why so many people have wii drive chips. The twilight hack came about in early 2008. Its been software hackable since a year and a half after launch. How many drivechips could possibly have been sold in that time period?

 

[RyanVashEngstrom]

It was mostly for gamecube backups in the days before dios mios lite and gamecube backup loaders

 

[wiismodrome]

I will never understand why so many people have wii drive chips. The twilight hack came about in early 2008. Its been software hackable since a year and a half after launch.

A drive chip is necessary for Gamecube audio streaming to work on backups. Softmods cannot play the audio streams for GC games like Eternal Darkness and Star Fox Adventures.

 

[thevoiceover]

I "HAD" my Wii chipped to be able to play titles from other countries, it isn't just for backups for all people... Now for the funny part, I have however run backups (by mainly online games now) as my kids scratch everything to all hell (they range from 16 years to 6 months in age) its bad enough to see what gets flushed down the toilet, yes even a gamecube disc one time although it was a bad one s I didn't mind and found it funny, but that's not scratching the surface!! My discs however get scratched to all sin if they are uncovered by those little demons.

Ok, so I am ranting - yes, I'm peeved as I heard some people arguing today at the bookstore (aren't these suppose to be quite? both were major geeks I may add and probably could never hold their own against anyone except themselves) but arguing about backups and emulators and one guy was saying how emulators are piracy ( I interrupted and said "Yes what better way to pirate than to COPY the machine, hell why bother copying the game when you can copy the whole damn thing!") One guy didn't think that was funny, the other laughed but he went on to say how copying media is wrong and pretty much had the mentality of the whole Hollywood vs VHS and/or Music Industry trying to ban cassettes as they would kill the industry type --- urrghhhh . I just didn't know where that was all headed, so I headed on to get some coffee before I ended up even more frustrated.. It got me thinking of talks I had with some of my friends - A few of you guys know me here and my involvement with music and a couple of you know how I have very close childhood friends in a band that has been very successful all over the world. I see most of their opinion on the subject (but I am not here to speak for them) pertaining to music and I'm just glad to see that success doesn't always change "opinions". They made good money on their first few albums and yes I am sure they would be happy if they continued making money on the old but they don't let the old albums change the creation of the new and enjoy when people cover their old (Music MOD!)

I look at this with my music and media - The one thing I get tired of hearing from people though is that "backups" are BAD or EVIL, if that is the case, anything converted to one format or another is going to earn many of us some time in the burning.... I think hell needs us though as the world isn't full of bad enough people to fill all those spots down there! More digital police, please... Oh wait, you mean you don't actually have to "try out", go to boot camp or even have some gonads to be a geek police? I'm in.... Ohh wait, what if I've already done some of the "other?" but ok sorry,l will leave that to the proper authority as it isn't my job to police the world as in my opinion ,we already have enough of it..

Moving on, its time to geek out, going to go play some Redneck rampage then maybe some old Duke Nukem (some of my favorites..) and hope someone doesn't get mad at me b/c I actually backed them up to my drive and maybe loaded a cheat or two, God forbid manipulate the PC so it will run in/on a different environment (the industry sad that was bad also at one point.) oh and that emulation will be the root of even more evil (many companies are putting patents on emulation now regardless.) because we all know all the hurt that will happen to these corporations (that have been bought/sold out time and time again) if we "emulate" or play a 10+ year old game in this modern age. Hell the people profiting now aren't even the creators/developers as much of it was sold a long time ago on all these oldies.

Last but not least (after my rant that I am telling YOU sorry if I made you mad and YOU who thinks they are sneaky and invading some of our privacy (logged and released soon enough.) but you - Yes the person who actually read through this junk?!? Thanks for reading this far and hearing me out. I am really happy "emulators" like Devolution exist, they bring a lot of joy back to people like me for a system that I feel never got enough credit. I also feel if we continue supporting these "police" or trying our-self to be "police" when we are not, we are headed to a bad path. In my opinion, lets not make the internet a neighborhood watch - stay mature, keep it fun and keep it real so all these policies won't end up turning to reality for all of us and one day we even lose the rights to EMULATE.. (Lets start a Devolution!) hehehheh

TVO

BTW : I was serious about the game - Duke Nukem for starts, Redneck Rampage or Myth to end (yeah you guys probably thought Postal) time to play...

 

[suloku]

EDIT2: this version should work fine (I tested with dolphin and F-zero didn't complain)

http://www.mediafire.com/?x6lnkxr3hmescit

EDIT: I've been reported that this doesn't work with devolution. I don't have my wii anymore, I'll look into libogc and see if there's more things that need to be changed in order to make this work.

I've written a little application by request, GCpadder. It will make a raw image bigger (a 59 blocks image can be converted to 251, 1019 or 2043 blocks).
You should be able to use the new image with devolution, have your savegames and extra space without the need of copying savegames to a bigger card image.

I haven't tested it, but it should work...

Also, if combined with GCheader, you can use it to write a raw image of a card to another card of bigger size. (Use gcpadder in the raw you want to restore, then gcheader to insert the destination's card header to the raw).

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GCPadder 0.2 by suloku 2012
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Usage:

GCPadder.exe image.raw size[251|1019|2043]
If no size is specified the image will be padded to the next card size

You can drag and drop a raw image to gcpadder.exe and a card of the next size will be generated (if you drag a 59 blocks card you'll get one of 251; if it has 251 you get 1019 and if it has 1019 you get 2043)

example:

"gcpadder.exe mycardimageof59blocks.raw 2043" will create a 2043 blocks card
"gcpadder.exe mmycardimageof251blocks.raw" will create a 1019 blocks cards


Changelog

0.2:
- 0.1 didn't work at all because fat tables weren't updated to the new size

0.1:
- initial release

 

[EnigmaXtreme]

Do the ISO's need to be directly in the games folder