Hacking D2C chips overview

[lenselijer]

I got the infectus today, so i went to the store to get a new wii.

turns out it has a d2b chipset

will get another one tomorrow, just hope its a d2c

 

[Frankdj]

omg, talking about bad luck!

I thought the D2B Wii's were out of store for some months now, expecially with the Sinterklaas en Christmas shoppings, the stores have received many new Wii's.

 

[Armadillo]

So argon is €39 , with no chance of cut till february. Hmm that's not so bad , only £28 , which is price of one game.

 

[Sc4rFac3d]

I got the infectus today, so i went to the store to get a new wii.

turns out it has a d2b chipsetÂ

will get another one tomorrow, just hope its a d2cÂ

Noooo, I thought we'd hear impressions today. Ah well, I can wait till tomorrow. I think.

 

[Frankdj]

Another clear explenation from the Infectus team, I'd like to share it with u guys:

FIRMWARE
First at all the WIIKTUS FIRMWARE and ARGON use the same code... well first versions of beta WIIKTUS used a limited version of patches of ARGON, but the final version will be 100% the same like ARGON. ARGON and WIIKTUS works on all WII JAP USA AND PAL D2C. We tested this weekend JAP and US D2C and all work fine

Compatibility with IMPORT games?
Like D2CKEY the 100% compatibility is guarantee only in the same region, play other region games like US on a PAL machine or JAP on a PAL machine is not 100% supported, we tested a lot of games and we can say that over 70% are supported.

ARGON and INFECTUS are updatable?
INFECTUS of course, has on board the USB port for updates. Argon hasn't on board the USB circuits, but have a connector with a flat cable 15pins that will be necessary in the future if is necessary an update.
ARGON can be updated trought a special cheeper INFECTUS ACTEL PROGRAMMER USB, will be a little PCB that allow NOT ONLY ARGON REPROGRAMMING but all A3PXXX ACTEL FAMILY! Nice for developers.
In a second time INFECTUS will be able to work like a programmer for ARGON, so with one infectus users can update all ARGON that they want.. this will be a second option, and software will be ready after PROGRAMMER RELEASE.

What do you need to buy? INFECTUS or ARGON for WII D2C?
PRO of ARGON
- small pcb
- cheaper price than INFECTUS

Negative points of ARGON
- updatable only with an external programmer
- work only on WII

PRO of INFECTUS
- work on many consoles
- USB controller on board for update

Negative points of INFECTUS
- More expencive
- BIG PCB

Right now the demand of INFECTUS and ARGON is unbelivable high, we suggest, who want to modify WII D2C, to use ARGON, and who need to modify X360 to buy infectus... of course because there is shortage of both and deman expecially on D2C EASY 13 WIRES MODCHIP is HIGH, both solutions are right..

 

[Sc4rFac3d]

Good to hear about the 100% compatibility.

Any updates lenselijer?

 

[Tanas]

I'm glad to see that Argon is and easy install

 

[Frankdj]

The first series of Argon's is allready sold out on Hardstore.com. A next load of chips will be availible the 26th, I'm aiming for some Dutch shops who are trying to buy some.

IMPORTANT! PRODUCTION SITUATION (update of 8 december)

First stock in delivery on 17th is 100% booked, all new orders are accepted BUT new ETA is 26th, here we have 5k more ARGON in arrival. Our company don't ask now money to customers, only about 1 week before ETA, BUT the rule FIRST PAID FIRST SERVE is active, so who pay before have 100% security of stock reservation. (hardstore.com)

 

[lenselijer]

I got d2c wii and infectus chip now, but where to place the infectus chip?

if i put it in the same place as in the picture i cannot close the wii

the usb connector is touching black plastic...

 

[ricflairandy]

why is everyone so sure the d2ckey isnt updateable?

I mean isnt it the same people who made wiikey and thats updatable?

 

[screwed]

why is everyone so sure the d2ckey isnt updateable?

I mean isnt it the same people who made wiikey and thats updatable?

if you reread the thread, you'll see that it is confirmed to have possible updates.
although the team didn't think it would be necessary.

 

[gaboumafou]

Do you guys think I should keep my D2C Wii, or try to trade it for a D2B and install a Wiikey, which is way cheaper and easier to install...?

 

[ProdigySim]

Do you guys think I should keep my D2C Wii, or try to trade it for a D2B and install a Wiikey, which is way cheaper and easier to install...?

I'm in the same boat...
Although, if Wlip comes out for D2C, I'll probably stick with it...

I actually have a D2B I can trade for, so I'm really really not sure what to do.

 

[Frankdj]

why is everyone so sure the d2ckey isnt updateable?

I mean isnt it the same people who made wiikey and thats updatable?


Like user screwed allready said, if you read this topic you will see that D2Ckey is updatable. The only thing is that they will not create any updates, or create a programmer untill the D2Ckey is detected! That means when Nintendo launched a game which recognizes D2Ckey, you have to wait 2 months before they created a programmer (since DVD updates are not possible with d2c-chipsets) and an update. The new Argon/Infectus chip allready have the programmer ready in januari, so when that chip would be detected it gives you an advantage.

Do you guys think I should keep my D2C Wii, or try to trade it for a D2B and install a Wiikey, which is way cheaper and easier to install...?

Wel a short comparisson:

D2B-chipset:
- Easy install modchips (5/6 wires)
- Relative cheap chips
- Very large offer modchips (10 different chips)
- DVD update system possible
- Relative easy detectable by Nintendo (by the use of RAM memory)
- Gamecube / Wii games support

D2C-chipset:
- Difficult install (13/31 wires)
- Slightly more expensive chips
- Limited offer (3 chips availible)
- Updates only possible by (external) programmer
- Harder to detect by Nintendo (uses no Wii RAM memory)
- Gamecube / Wii games support

 

[arctic_flame]

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D2B-chipset:
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- Relative easy detectable by Nintendo (by the use of RAM memory)
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No. They are not "Easily detectable" If you can even tell me how they were detected with SMG, you could work out why you're wrong.

 

[Frankdj]

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No. They are not "Easily detectable" If you can even tell me how they were detected with SMG, you could work out why you're wrong.

I don't say they are 'easily detectable'... but that are 'relatively easy detectable', and that's whole of a world difference.

To answer your question: I don't know the exact reason why the Wiikey got detected, but fact is that the D2Ckey (and other D2C-modchips) do NOT get detected by games like Super Mario Galaxy. In fact the D2C-modchips are the only chips that did not require any updates since they are still undetected. The exact reason is not clear, but the developers say that it has to do with the placement of the chip within the Wii system.

The 'old' D2B-modchips like Wiikey use the RAM memory of the Wii, which makes it easier to update them (by DVD) but easier to detect by Nintendo. The newer D2C-chipsets do NOT use that RAM memory of the Wii. This results in the fact that they are harder to update since you have to work with external programmers instead of DVD-updates, but they are also less visible for Nintendo's security.

 

[shadow_cruiser]

Is it true that the D2CKey reads the DVD better and faster than the Wiikey?

There will come a time when the D2CKey needs a update and most users will have to fork over more dollars to install a programmer. That is, I think the D2CKey is not releasing this info in detail to not replicate the Wiikey "whiners" from the past

 

[arctic_flame]

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No. They are not "Easily detectable" If you can even tell me how they were detected with SMG, you could work out why you're wrong.


I don't say they are 'easily detectable'... but that are 'relatively easy detectable', and that's whole of a world difference.

To answer your question: I don't know the exact reason why the Wiikey got detected, but fact is that the D2Ckey (and other D2C-modchips) do NOT get detected by games like Super Mario Galaxy. In fact the D2C-modchips are the only chips that did not require any updates since they are still undetected. The exact reason is not clear, but the developers say that it has to do with the placement of the chip within the Wii system.

The 'old' D2B-modchips like Wiikey use the RAM memory of the Wii, which makes it easier to update them (by DVD) but easier to detect by Nintendo. The newer D2C-chipsets do NOT use that RAM memory of the Wii. This results in the fact that they are harder to update since you have to work with external programmers instead of DVD-updates, but they are also less visible for Nintendo's security.

Ok, you have no idea what you're talking about.

Have a nice day.

 

[Frankdj]

source: d2ckey.com

The first generations of Wii drive controllers - known as DMS, identical to D2A, and D2B all had a serial port interface that could be used to inject code, making it possible for backup discs to load (and enable other funky stuff as well).

Albeit easy to install, modchips that uses the serial port have some disadvantages. Due to the way they interact with the drive controller it is possible for the Wii hardware to detect them (they modify RAM, for example).

This way of modifying the Wii does not work with the D2C controller, because the serial port can no longer be used to inject or modify code.

D2Ckey uses a new approach we call the Intelligent Code Modifying System (ICMS). Instead of just uploading some code and then doze off, ICMS constantly monitors data on address and data buses, patching it if necessary. This has several advantages:

= It is virtually undetectable by the Wii hardware
= Improved reading of recordable recordable media
= Backup disc loading will emulate original game disc loading closer
= By interfacing more of the circuitry of the drive controller D2Ckey has a better understanding of what is going on inside. Stability and compability have been the main design objectives.

 

[Frankdj]

ONTOPIC NEWS

The FIRST REACTIONS from users that installed the ARGON FIRMWARE (Wiinfectus) on their Infectus chip are in. They all seem to have problems playing games! For more information check this topic on the Infectus forum, where they created a list of all the reactions and problems that occur. It seems that many games freeze during play: http://www.infectus.biz/forum/index.php?topic=502.0

On of the users even says: Froze 5 times in under 3 hours on both detecting games and while playing. This freezing is too much. Theres no recovery. You have to pull the power off the console to recover. This don't happen with the D2CKey. Infectus/Wiiktus/Argon needs more work. If you call the code that is released now complete, this chip is garbage for wii