okay another world, i may try and mess around with a few mods just to prolong my enjoyment with cquake, an absolute classic thanks to elhobbs. yeah ive got quakeds-cant really see any benefits to this over cquake?or am i missing something? though it was pre cquake,so its understandable, and still a fantastic achievement. ive also got quake 2 and was amazed that it runs, can get quite choppy in places but is still enjoyable, im currently playin doom 2(another fantastic port), for some reason i couldnt get the extra doom 1 levels t o play even though im not using a doom shareware version, although it tells me i am. Anyway thanks for ur help another world, and i'll let u know if i do try any of the mods.cheers