Covid-19 vaccine

[Xzi]

Here is the next big virus thats going to hit. It's name is SPARS and it will be here in 2025 through 2028.

That's one I don't think we need to wait to throw in the pile with all the other incorrect guesses, you clearly weren't even trying. The scientific name for a newly-discovered COVID virus would be SARS-CoV-3, and informally it would be named for the year it's discovered (COVID-25 in this scenario).

Anyway, that's enough of this conversation, glad we were able to bring it full circle at least. Wish I could say it was enlightening.

 

[Cylent1]

That's one I don't think we need to wait to throw in the pile with all the other incorrect guesses, you clearly weren't even trying. The scientific name for a newly-discovered COVID virus would be SARS-CoV-3, and informally it would be named for the year it's discovered (COVID-25 in this scenario).

Anyway, that's enough of this conversation, glad we were able to bring it full circle at least. Wish I could say it was enlightening.

LOL you are so right with everything. what news station do you watch? Who ever said it was going to be another Covid strain?
or better yet, could you please tell me who your crystal ball dealer is? You do know these viruses are not natural?
Also you know back in 1981, probably well before you were born, that Dean Koontz wrote a book called The eyes of Darkness.
In that book he mention a lab in Wuhan China producing Covid virus strain! But I must be mentally ill and a conspiracy theorist.
Get out of the video game and jump into the real world for once!

 

[Goku1992A]

Just my two cents those Vaccines are still experimental plenty people has taken them and they still contracted the virus again it depends on your body. The only time I will take the Vaccine is when my son has to take it when it becomes mandated for children to take it before they enter school.

It's kinda like CFW I will not take the first batch I will see how everyone else is doing with it before I make the move. I'm in no rush to take any vaccine I don't even take flu shots.

 

[Foxi4]

I must be mentally ill and a conspiracy theorist.

I mean, let's not jump to conclusions, but if you're so confident...

In any case, I suggest that you take your anti-vax rhetoric elsewhere. Nobody's forcing you to take the vaccine, even if it would be rather wise to do so in the grand scheme of things. All of that twin towers nonsense can go too, and the Illuminati drivel. This section has a policy against conspiracy theories (for a good couple of months now, actually). If your statements cannot be backed up by peer-reviewed evidence or otherwise substantiated beyond rantings and ravings, they're liable to be removed. Sadly I can't do just that right now as I'm on mobile, but I'll probably pop back in tomorrow to sanitise the thread accordingly. Keep in mind that the final arbiter of what is and is not a reliable source is the staff, so if you have any domains containing the word "truth" in them, I'm afraid that they won't satisfy my requirements. We've gotten significantly off-topic at this stage, so unless you have something relevant and on-topic to add, I would suggest dropping this line of discussion. I already politely informed users not to take this bait, but outlandish claims seem to have magnetic properties in these circles, which honestly can't be helped.

 

[Xzi]

Just my two cents those Vaccines are still experimental plenty people has taken them and they still contracted the virus again it depends on your body.

The vaccines were never purported to be 100% effective against contracting the virus, only 100% effective at protecting against severe symptoms/illness that can result from being infected. They vary from 66% to 95% effectiveness in preventing you from catching it, depending on which vaccine you get and how much time has passed since you got it.

 

[Goku1992A]

The vaccines were never purported to be 100% effective against contracting the virus, only 100% effective at protecting against severe symptoms/illness that can result from being infected. They vary from 66% to 95% effectiveness in preventing you from catching it, depending on which vaccine you get and how much time has passed since you got it.

To be very honest with you I believe I already caught the virus last year before it was mainstream. When I was really sick the doctor couldn't tell what was wrong with me and I was sick for weeks I couldn't even drive my car for maybe a few days... ever since then I never caught the codvid 19 virus a few of my friends caught it but I never did. I tried to do that antibody test but they told me my insurance would charge me a ton of money for it.

 

[Lacius]

To be very honest with you I believe I already caught the virus last year before it was mainstream. When I was really sick the doctor couldn't tell what was wrong with me and I was sick for weeks I couldn't even drive my car for maybe a few days... ever since then I never caught the codvid 19 virus a few of my friends caught it but I never did. I tried to do that antibody test but they told me my insurance would charge me a ton of money for it.

To be clear, even if you contract the virus, you should still be vaccinated.

 

[Goku1992A]

To be clear, even if you contract the virus, you should still be vaccinated.

I'm going to do it with my son eventually. I'm not against it I'm just not in the rush yet I know for children it will become mandated this year before August I believe they can't have those children continue to stay at home forever.

 

[Cylent1]

I mean, let's not jump to conclusions, but if you're so confident...

In any case, I suggest that you take your anti-vax rhetoric elsewhere. Nobody's forcing you to take the vaccine, even if it would be rather wise to do so in the grand scheme of things. All of that twin towers nonsense can go too, and the Illuminati drivel. This section has a policy against conspiracy theories (for a good couple of months now, actually). If your statements cannot be backed up by peer-reviewed evidence or otherwise substantiated beyond rantings and ravings, they're liable to be removed. Sadly I can't do just that right now as I'm on mobile, but I'll probably pop back in tomorrow to sanitise the thread accordingly. Keep in mind that the final arbiter of what is and is not a reliable source is the staff, so if you have any domains containing the word "truth" in them, I'm afraid that they won't satisfy my requirements. We've gotten significantly off-topic at this stage, so unless you have something relevant and on-topic to add, I would suggest dropping this line of discussion. I already politely informed users not to take this bait, but outlandish claims seem to have magnetic properties in these circles, which honestly can't be helped.

The only outlandish claims here is that the vaccine is 100% safe and no reason not to get one!
Have nice fucking day!

 

[Xzi]

To be very honest with you I believe I already caught the virus last year before it was mainstream. When I was really sick the doctor couldn't tell what was wrong with me and I was sick for weeks I couldn't even drive my car for maybe a few days... ever since then I never caught the codvid 19 virus a few of my friends caught it but I never did. I tried to do that antibody test but they told me my insurance would charge me a ton of money for it.

I'm 99% certain I caught it in early December as well, but we have no concrete data on how long a person might be immune to the specific strain of the virus they caught and recovered from, let alone data on their chances of contracting one of the new variants. Better safe than sorry, I've got my vaccination appointment set for Monday.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Got vaxxed 2 days ago, the Johson and Johnson 1 dose version. Had some light fever symptoms yesterday, a little shivering and soreness, but that was it. Feeling great today, and by the 15th I'll be considered completely vaccinated. Very happy to be able to start returning to a sense of normalcy, though I know it will still be quite some time before we collectively get there.

 

[Lacius]

The only outlandish claims here is that the vaccine is 100% safe and no reason not to get one!
Have nice fucking day!

The vaccine has been demonstrated to be safe and effective, and anyone who can get one should get one as soon as possible.

 

[CompSciOrBust]

Oh my god this thread is Aids. I had a module at university about science communication and it used vaccine misinformation as an example. Anti-Vaxx people probably get on my nerves the most but people blindly defending vaccines are just as bad. If you don't have an actual background in this stuff you really shouldn't be debating it (regardless of which side you're on). If you're anti-vaxx you've fallen victim to a lie started by Andrew Wakefield ~20 years ago which he used for his financial gain. If you're blindly defending vaccines based on what you've read online you're basically doing this same shit as the Anti-Vaxx people. It's two sides of the same coin. You're arguing about something neither of you really understand.

 

[Lacius]

Oh my god this thread is Aids. I had a module at university about science communication and it used vaccine misinformation as an example. Anti-Vaxx people probably get on my nerves the most but people blindly defending vaccines are just as bad. If you don't have an actual background in this stuff you really shouldn't be debating it (regardless of which side you're on). If you're anti-vaxx you've fallen victim to a lie started by Andrew Wakefield ~20 years ago which he used for his financial gain. If you're blindly defending vaccines based on what you've read online you're basically doing this same shit as the Anti-Vaxx people. It's two sides of the same coin. You're arguing about something neither of you really understand.

This isn't a "both sides are wrong" issue. The COVID-19 vaccines have been demonstrated to be safe and effective, they save lives, and we need to use them to get to herd immunity as soon as possible if we don't want emerging variants to reduce or eliminate their efficacy.

 

[Cylent1]

Oh my god this thread is Aids. I had a module at university about science communication and it used vaccine misinformation as an example. Anti-Vaxx people probably get on my nerves the most but people blindly defending vaccines are just as bad. If you don't have an actual background in this stuff you really shouldn't be debating it (regardless of which side you're on). If you're anti-vaxx you've fallen victim to a lie started by Andrew Wakefield ~20 years ago which he used for his financial gain. If you're blindly defending vaccines based on what you've read online you're basically doing this same shit as the Anti-Vaxx people. It's two sides of the same coin. You're arguing about something neither of you really understand.

Being a anti-vaxxer is hardly what I am.
I have all my FDA Approved vaccinations thank you!

 

[CompSciOrBust]

This isn't a "both sides are wrong" issue. The COVID-19 vaccines have been demonstrated to be safe and effective, they save lives, and we need to use them to get to herd immunity as soon as possible if we don't want emerging variants to reduce or eliminate their efficacy.

I'm not saying both sides are wrong. I believe the vaccines work and are safe. What I'm saying is that most of the people here are just saying that. How do you know the vaccines are safe and effective? Have you personally ran experiments on it? Have you looked at the data released by the trials? Have you read about their testing methodology and looked for flaws that may bias the results one way or the other? Probably not. Unless you do that, and you have the background knowledge on how this stuff should be done and why it is done that way you can't be sure that it is safe and effective. Even if you have done that a big part of science is never being 100% confident in anything. Skepticism is a part of the scientific method.

Edit: @Cylent1 My comments weren't made towards anyone specific. Just things I've seen in the thread generally.

 

[Lacius]

I'm not saying both sides are wrong. I believe the vaccines work and are safe. What I'm saying is that most of the people here are just saying that. How do you know the vaccines are safe and effective? Have you personally ran experiments on it? Have you looked at the data released by the trials? Have you read about their testing methodology and looked for flaws that may bias the results one way or the other? Probably not. Unless you do that, and you have the background knowledge on how this stuff should be done and why it is done that way you can't be sure that it is safe and effective. Even if you have done that a big part of science is never being 100% confident in anything. Skepticism is a part of the scientific method.

I have looked at the data, and everyone should. There's more than enough data to show that the vaccines are safe and effective.

Are you seriously arguing that most of the people who are arguing the vaccines are safe and effective don't know what they're talking about, while simultaneously saying you believe the vaccines are safe and effective but that you do know what you're talking about? You must be special.

 

[Xzi]

If you're blindly defending vaccines based on what you've read online you're basically doing this same shit as the Anti-Vaxx people. It's two sides of the same coin. You're arguing about something neither of you really understand.

See that's the great thing about science: so long as the results of an experiment or clinical trial can be reproduced, it doesn't require belief, faith, or even a deep understanding from laymen. I'd much rather live in a world where the ignorant and uneducated constantly cite peer-reviewed studies without understanding any of the work that goes into them, than a world where they reject science entirely because they don't understand one small part of how it works.

 

[CompSciOrBust]

I have, and everyone should. There's more than enough data to show that the vaccines are safe and effective.

Are you seriously arguing that most of the people who are arguing the vaccines are safe and effective don't know what they're talking about, while simultaneously saying you believe the vaccines are safe and effective but that you do know what you're talking about? You must be special.

Ok, if you have done that that's great. But like I said to the other guy my comments aren't made towards anyone specifically. Just in general. Yes I am arguing that most people that say the vaccine is safe and effective don't know what they're talking about while also saying the vaccine is safe and effective myself. Most people in this thread most likely do not have an education in biology or the scientific method, therefore they are arguing something without knowing what they're talking about. I could say that Water is healthier than Gatorade. Is it correct? I don't know, I'm not a dietary expert and I haven't looked at the data. I believe it is correct but I do not know that it is correct.

See that's the great thing about science: so long as the results of an experiment or clinical trial can be reproduced, it doesn't require belief, faith, or even a deep understanding from laymen. I'd much rather live in a world where the ignorant and uneducated constantly cite peer-reviewed studies without understanding any of the work that goes into them, than a world where they reject science entirely because they don't understand one small part of how it works.

I'm not saying people should reject science. I just don't think that people should be arguing about things they don't understand. Something might be reproduceable but everyone reproducing it might be making a mistake because of something they don't realize. One example of this is that at one time everyone just assumed that only male birds sing. Why? Who knows but it was accepted as a fact. Now we know this to be false, female birds also sing. Obviously this is inconsequential but it's possible that we're making a similar assumption about the human body which when taken in to account would effect how we look at data from the vaccine trials. Also you can't have 100% faith in anything in science. Coginto, ergo sum. I think therefore I am. The only thing we can be 100% sure of it that we think and therefore we exist. Anything else could be an illusion produced by a mental illness. This might sound stupid to people without a scientific education but that's exactly why I don't think people without a scientific education should be debating things like vaccines.

 

[MikaDubbz]

Honestly, even if you (the royal you against vaccinations, not directed at anyone here in particular) think the vaccinations are total bullshit or that they'll even have adverse effects on you, what kind of life do you intend to live otherwise as you move forward without getting vaccinated? When the world is finally truly open again, there will be new rules that you'll have to adhere to if you want to experience much of what makes life worth living: world travel, concerts, festivals, amusement parks; you're not going to be able to experience all that and more without giving proof that you've been vaccinated.