Covid-19 vaccine

[AncientBoi]

I already got both of mine at the VA Hospital. I got tired of their Emails to me.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Pfizer/BioNTech says its Covid-19 vaccine is 100% effective and well tolerated in adolescents

Clinical trial results of Pfizer/BioNTech's Covid-19 vaccine showed its efficacy is 100% and it is well tolerated in youths ages 12 to 15, the companies said Wednesday.

Pfizer/BioNTech plan to submit the data to the US Food and Drug Administration as soon as possible for expanded emergency use authorization of the two-dose vaccine.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/31/health/pfizer-vaccine-adolescent-trial-results/index.html

I'm still skeptical.

 

[Lacius]

I'm still skeptical.

Which part are you skeptical about?

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Which part are you skeptical about?

What are all the side effects? Some guy got his skin peeled off because of the vaccine.

 

[Lacius]

What are all the side effects? Some guy got his skin peeled off because of the vaccine.

The good news is this guy is one out of hundreds of millions, has made a full recovery, and doesn't regret getting the vaccine. This story should not dissuade anyone from getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

The good news is this guy is one out of hundreds of millions, has made a full recovery, and doesn't regret getting the vaccine. This story should not dissuade anyone from getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

Good for him. I'm still not taking it.

If it works as advertised, then only around 60% of the population needs it. Judging by the poll, I'll be fine if I don't.
If it doesn't work as advertised, it doesn't work as advertised, and shouldn't be trusted.

 

[Lacius]

Good for him. I'm still not taking it.

If it works as advertised, then only around 60% of the population needs it. Judging by the poll, I'll be fine if I don't.
If it doesn't work as advertised, it doesn't work as advertised, and shouldn't be trusted.

If you are referring to herd immunity, that number is probably higher than 60%. If the R0 of COVID-19 is 4, for example, then 1-(1/4) is 75%, but you also have to take into account the efficacy of the vaccine. 75% vaccination rate with a vaccine that's 90% effective gets you at a 67.5% effective vaccine rate, under the 75% number needed for herd immunity with a hypothetical R0 of 4. It would need to be 83% vaccination rate with a 90% efficacy to get to 75% effective vaccination rate and herd immunity.

The R0 is hard to measure, since mask-wearing, social distancing, hand-washing, etc. affect it. Not counting the variants, I'd say a natural R0 of 2-3 is likely. That would put the herd immunity number around 60% (again, without taking into account variants), but with a 90% effective vaccine, that's about 54%. To actually get 60% effective vaccination, you need about 67% of the population to get vaccinated.

Tldr, to get herd immunity, the vaccination rate is probably closer to 70% at least, and that doesn't fully take into account emerging variants.

If we want to return to normal, we need as many people to get vaccinated as soon as possible. You have a choice between the status quo (masks, social distancing, etc.) or vaccination. If we are too slow to get people vaccinated, new emerging variants may reduce the efficacy of the vaccine and cause a positive feedback loop of reduced vaccine efficacy. That could mean we start back at square one with no effective vaccine and going back to lockdowns, mask-wearing, etc. Based on your previous posts, you of all people should be promoting timely vaccination.

 

[Alexander1970]

Good for him. I'm still not taking it.

If it works as advertised, then only around 60% of the population needs it. Judging by the poll, I'll be fine if I don't.

Funny:

Today our Austrian "Government Heroes" used this Number for two Topics:

- AstraZeneca should now only vaccinated for People from 60 Years old up.
- The "Vaccination Goal" is 60 Percent from the Austrian Population.

 

[Xzi]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: people are free to choose not to take the vaccine, they'll only be harming themselves since it'll be a requirement for travel and large events sooner or later. This isn't anything new, either. You were required to have certain shots up to date for international travel well before the discovery of COVID-19.

 

[Reynardine]

Germany's vaccine programme sucks enormously.

They wanted to test the AstraZeneca one on me but I declined. Either BioNTech or nothing, I can wait...

 

[Alexander1970]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: people are free to choose not to take the vaccine...

Not in Austria.
If you do not Test and/or be Vaccinated,you get Punishment like in the deepest Medieval.
Our "green" Minister of Health Anschober has many "Penalites" in "the Sleeve".

And even a regular Vote against his Measures,the Ass tramples on our statutory Constitutions and our Rights around,until the even more stupid Chancellor Kurz and the completely moronic Vice Chancellor Kogler then give in and find some Loophole to circumvent that.
All groundless and illegal,but it takes Weeks/Months before the EU Constitutional Court can declare these illegal measures for "ungesetzlich"(unlawful) and then be lifted again.

And for this "Weeks" they would like "invent" Rules like actual
"Access/Admission Tests" for all Shops/Stores/Bank/Workshop/Events/Exhibitions/Gastronomy and so on.
Means - without a valid/negativ,not older than 48 Hours Nose and Throat Test and/or 72 Hours old negativ PCR Test you are no longer allowed to enter any public "Buildung".
For your Information - It is strictly forbidden to refuse People access to Shops for "Daily Needs" like Food for Example !!
So you see,HOW they actual "work" here in my beautiful Country.

And by the Way,it makes NO Difference if you are Vaccinated or not.
No negativ Test - No Access.....we will see,we now have "maybe" 8 Weeks Grace Period (thanks through the legal Vote in Parliament).

 

[Lacius]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: people are free to choose not to take the vaccine, they'll only be harming themselves since it'll be a requirement for travel and large events sooner or later. This isn't anything new, either. You were required to have certain shots up to date for international travel well before the discovery of COVID-19.

See my post above for why each person has a moral imperative to be vaccinated as soon as possible. It affects more than just oneself.

 

[Lacius]

Pfizer, Biontech say trials suggest Covid vaccine works against South African variant, is effective after 6 months

"Pfizer and BioNTech said Thursday that trials suggest their vaccine is effective against a coronavirus variant that first emerged in South Africa, which some experts worry might evade existing shots.

The drugmakers also said in a statement that 12,000 people involved in their Phase 3 trial experienced high levels of protection against Covid-19 six months after their second dose, with no serious safety concerns."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-vaccine-works-against-south-african-n1262710

This is good news, and the vaccines could still end up being effective for longer than six months. Two or three years of efficacy is not impossible.

 

[chrisrlink]

fully vaxxed myself will be 90% protected by the 10th

 

[Deleted User]

just got my vaccine today, it's the moderna one. Feeling a bit tired, but that's one of the side effects. Outside of that, perfectly fine.

 

[shaunj66]

Had my jab approx 24 hours ago (AZ) and have not had any side effects except a metallic taste in my mouth the last couple hours. Otherwise I feel absolutely fine. My arm isn't even sore or tender.

 

[izy]

Germany's vaccine programme sucks enormously.

They wanted to test the AstraZeneca one on me but I declined. Either BioNTech or nothing, I can wait...

i mean im in UK and got my astra zeneca just fine

what you mean test its literally rolled out just because your countrys scuffed it isnt rolled out.
considering germany had 15.6million doses sent to them can hardly call that a test.

your country literally probably calling it a test because the delayed the rollout due to blood clots.

which by the way is minimal and well below expected numbers and any health factors can have to be taken into account.

litererally 5 in 14Million people in UK got blood clots from the jab

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Had my jab approx 24 hours ago (AZ) and have not had any side effects except a metallic taste in my mouth the last couple hours. Otherwise I feel absolutely fine. My arm isn't even sore or tender.

i got a headache that night but the leaflet warns its a common sympton felt just fine next day

 

[Reynardine]

i mean im in UK and got my astra zeneca just fine

what you mean test its literally rolled out just because your countrys scuffed it isnt rolled out.
considering germany had 15.6million doses sent to them can hardly call that a test.

your country literally probably calling it a test because the delayed the rollout due to blood clots.

which by the way is minimal and well below expected numbers and any health factors can have to be taken into account.

litererally 5 in 14Million people in UK got blood clots from the jab

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i got a headache that night but the leaflet warns its a common sympton felt just fine next day

Only high risk groups are getting vaccinated in Germany right now. I have a disability and got a letter that I'm permitted to a vaccination with AstraZeneca.

I cynically referred to it as a test because people with (mental) disability often won't be able to judge for themselves.

I don't see why I should accept a less effective and slightly more risky vaccine just because our government is unable to secure enough of the arguably superior BioNTech one.

I have a weak immune system and I don't have a good feeling getting AstraZeneca, it's not a risk I'm willing to take if I can still catch Covid and get seriously ill.

 

[Alexander1970]

Only high risk groups are getting vaccinated in Germany right now. I have a disability and got a letter that I'm permitted to a vaccination with AstraZeneca.

I cynically referred to it as a test because people with (mental) disability often won't be able to judge for themselves.

I don't see why I should accept a less effective and slightly more risky vaccine just because our government is unable to secure enough of the arguably superior BioNTech one.

I have a weak immune system and I don't have a good feeling getting AstraZeneca, it's not a risk I'm willing to take if I can still catch Covid and get seriously ill.

Wait for Sputnik V,we get some (1.000.000 Doses) in Austria in the next Days.

 

[Reynardine]

Wait for Sputnik V,we get some (1.000.000 Doses) in Austria in the next Days.

It appears that Sputnik V is actually more effective than AstraZeneca. Who knows, maybe it is a better alternative...

I'd still prefer BioNTech or Moderna to those.