Dangy said:
ShadowSoldier said:
He's right. All you do is just make idiotic posts as if everything is easy and everybody is the same, and everything is black and white.
I'm trying to get you to understand, if you commit suicide you're a loser, and you're weak. You've yet to come up with anything to counter my statement.
Bullies are just giving people a realistic expectation of what the world is really like. This world is rife with conflict, it's full of people that don't agree. It's fully of people that hate each other, and will, ocationally, get violent. You gotta learn how to deal with this stuff when you're a teenage. If you shelter people from this stuff during their formative years, they're never going to know how to deal with these sorts of situations.
To be completely honest, I find that to be most generalized and provincial.
Please consider the severity of what you're saying. Yes, learning how to stand up to opposition is one thing. However, I hardly find bullying to be beneficial in any way, as it isn't comparable to any sort of real-life instance at all. In the "real world", the prevalence of disagreements ending in violence pales in comparison to the constant, incessant physical coercion that bullied people must face. In adulthood, there is not the foreboding, lingering dread of inevitable daily agony. I find it hard to believe that as an adult, one must fear the unavoidable scenario of being emotionally and/or physically injured day after day, interminably, for years on end, for seemingly no reason at all. As you have said, there are
occasional violent instances in the "real world", and even those that occur won't be as detrimental to a hardened, experienced adult as they would be to kids and teenagers, who are, as you have also said, impressionable, and as such, are naturally dangerously sensitive to anything and everything around them. Finding the self-confidence and faith to stand up for oneself is hard for those who may know nothing besides unending discouragement, and incessant derision for the majority part of their lives, rather than the minority.
Have you ever considered the variables? After all, it is not as if every child has a supportive, healthy family to turn to, or an accessible, readily-available selection of friends to comfort them. If this
were the case for all instances of bullying, then certainly there would be little reason to feel
so much melancholy in oneself that they see no solution other than to terminate themselves, and in doing so, hopefully finally find relief from the life that has been nothing but an unsurmountable burden on their naive, troubled, oppressed souls.
Furthermore, even if one does have adequate family and friends, that is no reason to label their melancholy as unfounded. In some cases, namely teenagers, severe depression can come for seemingly no reason at all, and for many, it becomes a near-unsurmountable force. One who has never been clinically depressed can not know the inexplicably powerful sadness one can feel, and for seemingly no reason for it. Even the comfort and care of friends and family are sometimes insufficient for resolving the unexplainable "empty" feeling. Depression on its own can have a severely damaging effect on one's sense of self-worth, and being hazed on a regular basis will only increase their melancholy exponentially. When people fail to consider the huge impact bullying can have, they wrongly assume that letting the kid "tough it out" is always the right solution. For some, this is an adequate solution. But for others, it's a crippling, and sometimes fatal misconception.
(JEEZ, LIGHTEN UP, GEOFLCL)
I'm not saying suicide should be an option. I'm saying that unlike some of us, who have something to look forward to, to confide in, others simply aren't as fortunate. For something as serious as suicide, it's simply bull-headed to assume that they'd do it without reason. It's weakness, but how can there be anything but weakness to those who have nothing to gain strength from? I realize it may be hard to understand. It's not that they have no strength to hold on, it's simply that they have
nothing that they think is worth holding on to. And only us, the more fortunate, can help them. Instead of viewing bullying as a universally healthy, beneficial factor to everyone simply because you were able to conquer it, don't assume that everyone will be as fortunate, or as well equipped as you were. Independence is a valuable asset, yes, but it comes to some easier than it does others, sometimes undeservedly so.
