Boris cancels Christmas..

[Robika]

It seems most of London is no longer allowed to visit family on Christmas day now :-(

Was this a necessary evil or should Boris stick Tier 4 up his arse?

Small price to pay for your older family members to live another Christmas!

 

[Purple_Heart]

Oh dear,now we can really happy in Austria we have one.....
We are only "locked up" from December 26th until 18th January 2021...

same (edit: almost same only that we were locked up since the 16th december

 

[subcon959]

Small price to pay for your older family members to live another Christmas!

What if this is their last Christmas? That was actually true last year for one member so from experience it's not something you want to dismiss easily.

 

[Robika]

What if this is their last Christmas? That was actually true last year for one member so from experience it's not something you want to dismiss easily.

What if a dragon and huge white woman appear from a hole in the sky in the middle of Tokyo and we nuke them to save the world but instead the plot of Nier plays out.

Jokes apart. We can do a lot of what ifs.

If it is their last Christmas be glad that they got to live it in peace, and live in peace of mind knowing you or any other visitor didn't infect them, with virus that will make you spend your last days with tubes in you body and alone. I wouldn't want to live knowing that I might have infected anyone and possible caused anyone's death. One Christmas is a small price to pay for the safety of the vulnerable.

Call them have a long videochat. We live in an era of communication. It sucks , I can't see my mum for 2 more weeks. We will videochat with her and my aunt, who is still in Hungary, over telegram. I haven't spent a Christmas with my whole family since 2008.

 

[Bladexdsl]

so much for the vaccine the virus has mutated now into a new strain.

 

[FAST6191]

What if a dragon and huge white woman appear from a hole in the sky in the middle of Tokyo and we nuke them to save the world but instead the plot of Nier plays out.

Jokes apart. We can do a lot of what ifs.

If it is their last Christmas be glad that they got to live it in peace, and live in peace of mind knowing you or any other visitor didn't infect them, with virus that will make you spend your last days with tubes in you body and alone. I wouldn't want to live knowing that I might have infected anyone and possible caused anyone's death. One Christmas is a small price to pay for the safety of the vulnerable.

Call them have a long videochat. We live in an era of communication. It sucks , I can't see my mum for 2 more weeks. We will videochat with her and my aunt, who is still in Hungary, over telegram. I haven't spent a Christmas with my whole family since 2008.

The question is not necessarily will it do anything, the question is would it be worth the effort.

When assessing risk you consider outcomes (ninjas attacking would basically leave everybody dead) vs likelihood (ninjas are not real) vs cost of mitigation or maybe just lessening (building anti ninja castle is expensive).


Is being shut up going to impact results in a positive enough way to offset costs? That has yet to be justified from where I sit with anything like hard maths or decent estimates, just "shut up we know what is best for you" when. Equally there are plenty of other actions that could have been taken both against this and in general, some of which would probably have had even more positive effect (though costs are debatable).

 

[Alexander1970]

What would she have said about that ?

 

[seany1990]

What if this is their last Christmas? That was actually true last year for one member so from experience it's not something you want to dismiss easily.

If your conscience is okay with potentially killing Granny then go for it.

 

[FAST6191]

If your conscience is okay with potentially killing Granny then go for it.

She might have died in a car crash on the way back to the house as well. People seem content to shoulder that risk. Is this much different?

Seems quite possible to mitigate things as well if you find yourself in a position where you are reasonably sure you are not infectious.

 

[Robika]

She might have died in a car crash on the way back to the house as well. People seem content to shoulder that risk. Is this much different?

Seems quite possible to mitigate things as well if you find yourself in a position where you are reasonably sure you are not infectious.

Okay, sure!

 

[subcon959]

There seems to be a "spooky" factor associated with this virus, which I don't quite understand. There is quite a lot of empirical data on infection rates and mortality, not to mention actual tests to see if you are infected or have anti-bodies. What should've happened is mass-availability of testing leading up to the holiday season and then allowing grown ups to decide for themselves based on test results.

 

[FAST6191]

So word came down that in a few days things will change where I am at.

Quite why it is so scary that we need to take harsh measures (bar my door and shake in fear until it is all over, saving that I need to go to the shop to buy some bread, and not strip off at my front door to chuck my clothes in bleach when I get back, possibly before isolating myself for 10 days, down from 14 a while back as I guess the nature of things changed, from all others in my house) but can happily wait for a few days* to enact, or go shopping later today for "non essential" items (whilst staying away from others but still less than the distance of a cough/sneeze away), then I don't know.

*if it is exponential then that is a simple piece of maths to plot, and if the death/serious outcome rates are expected to remain the same (and presumably be the cause of all these measures needing to be taken) then surely they are just pissing lives away, even before we consider hospital overload (or simple costs of care).

Almost as though they are doing things (as opposed to the usual business of "won't touch that as it is hard and won't get me reelected") to appear tough but actually don't really care or have a clue. Ignorance, malice, self interest... having a hard time picking which one there.

 

[subcon959]

Ignorance, malice, self interest... having a hard time picking which one there.

I'm not quite at the point where I would conclude malice but I'm pretty sure it's all of the above otherwise.. especially appeasing one's favourite lobbyists.