Blizzard sues Starcraft 2 cheat-makers.

[Kane91z]

sounds more like an activision move than a blizzard one - they already banned everyone's accounts that cheated in single player mode. i'm beginning to not like this whole play a single player game online on our servers thing.

 

[DarkWay]

okay so you're saying, they shouldn't scare of these wannabe hackers off and have all the legit players have their online gaming experience ruined by some prat that needs to cheat in a game to accomplish anything?
which in turn will ruin the sales ratings of the game because nobody but hackers and cheaters will want to play the game online, in which these days is a major factor when buying a game.

congratrulations you make a whole lot of sense! /clap
no, we are pointing out that they are suing these people for money to keep cheaters out. now that they have made the fact that the game is hackable, there will be more attempts, and i guess more law suits. you do know they are owned by moneyvision right? why sue for the moneyz instead of patching? to cover their asses, that's why.


sueing them for money when really they can't win which in the end only ends up costing them money.
ofcourse they will throw out hot fixes and patches to fix up current and known exploits.
what they don't want is other hackers e.c.t. breaking the game down even more to find workarounds and shit and ruining the game experience again.
it's like people getting the infections off jtag users on modern warfare 2, they're so bad at the game they must cheat to get anywhere whilst ruining the game for the legit players.

quote(keine @ oct 16 2010, 10:47 pm)

that sounds nice. i vote yes!

(i find the prats to be the monkeys hoarding their gamerscore/rankings/trophies and feeling special about it.)
as long as we are throwing the term "prats" around.

why don't you control you're own! experience. have a lan party...instead of gaming w/ a bunch of total random strangers. how do you have any control over them or what they can/will/want to do? how is that even right?
i say, let em cheat, and destroy this whole controlled experience garbage, hoarding of leaderboard rankings etc.

i find the word "prat" to be a highly under used word, which is a shame because i think it's a brilliant word

also having a lan party is difficult to do on a day to day basis. on top of that, lan parties cannot be compared to the online experience.
"hording of leaderboards" as you say isn't something i'm fussed about, if i play i game i ply it to enjoy it. not play it to get frustrated when some cheating prat comes in and ruins the entire game making it totally one sided and end up turning it off.

 

[keine]

also having a lan party is difficult to do on a day to day basis.

do you know why? we dont have lan parties anymore?
because of this "controlled experience" stuff. blizzard needs to control you. thus no lan option. they don't like it when they can't tentacle in to your house and control your experience.bind you w/ stakes to their eula.
epic win. for the leaderboard whores.
edit: read that wrong. lol. wow, i'm leaving this debate, too worked up now.

 

[Sterling]

@darkway: in the op they also stated that the damage is "immediate, and irreplaceable", which is a telling sign that it can't be fixed. i haven't been in a modded lobby in mw2 in ages, even then you just leave. it's when every lobby is modded that you get pissed off.

@keine: this isn't much of a debate though...

 

[CrimzonEyed]

who the fuck would wan't to cheat on a online game? (well maybe people that sucks on the game xd)

 

[antwill]

yea, suing the makers isn't suing cheaters at all? they probably tested them in game, so that would also make them cheaters too.

except for the fact that these people not only made and distributed the hacks, they are profiting off it. you can't go and say that these people are also probably cheaters as you have no proof either way to support your claim. so no, they aren't suing cheaters they are suing these 3 individuals who created the hacks.

 

[keine]

yeah, you're right its not.
just the principle of it. i'd side w/ the cheaters/hackers any day before i'd side w/ blizzard and their eula.

 

[jalaneme]

i think this is ridiculous. companies should not have the right to sue people for simply tinkering w/ the system. if blizzard doesn't want people to cheat....why didn't they lock up their system tight? its their own fault, where is their security team? better yet if they don't want people to mess w/ their procuct....then why did they put it out there? "oh! but its the experience, they are ruining the system." ever since trophies and gamerscore, rankings....things have gotten out of control. now companies seem to have some right over how you are intended to use their product. "no, you can't dance naked in mmo x, it destroys the experience" the idea that a person can destroy a controlled "experience" is very hard to comprehend.
no developers, you can no longer put cheat codes into your games, because we have ass hats who treasure their gamerscore.....and where would they be, if someone cheated their gamerscore. protecting the "experience" for people who are 10 out of 5million on the leaderboards. wouldn't want their experience to be disrupted. wtf! people?
it's like blizzard suing for people who run around naked in wow because they destroy the "experience." give me a f'ing break.
why should a company have control over how people interact in their system.
how can you copyright and protect a community? a space?
i'm gonna get lamblasted for my views, but oh well.
if i don't want to cheat, i get a group of friends together have a lan party....and nobody cheats. this overlord protecting the space/community/experience and suing anyone who gets out of line, is absolute trash.
edit: however we don't have lan parties anymore.....precisely because of this system. did you see lan? in sc2? no? why? because of this "protected iron rule experience trash/garbage" effectively taking away one of the best aspects of the game.
this type of tactics and fear mongering dictation and rule, should stop people from using products from a company so set on domination and lock/key type.

whats next? you can't mod, cause we never wanted the game to be experienced like that?
and fyi, i don't give a flying f, about gamerscore/trophies/leaderboards/rankings/ladders/etc. if i want to cheat on single player, i do. however, i don't cheat online because it torques people off. however this reason alone does not give developers the right to iron fist us.

amen bro

this day and age you are treated like a criminal if you cheat, even if the cheat is built in the game you are still treated like a criminal, it is ridiculous, a good example is with the jailbreak as soon as people managed to find cheats for certain games straight away we don't want cheats! cheats ruin online gaming! blah blah blah! well who cares! you can't even go online with a jailbreak anyway, stupid idiots, that i thinks is the main reason we don't see any trainers with the jailbreak because of people like that who only care about their precious trophies and online.

cheats back in the day add replayability, i remember having so much fun in sonic 2 because of the debug mode, i still go back to it even now, that kind of fun is very extinct in today's games which is a real shame, i don't care about silly leaderboards or achievements, i play for fun, gaming is about escaping life's problems, i don't want those kind of restrictions in my gaming aswell, gaming is about having no limits.

i bet soon you will go to jail if you cheat in games, it's already seen as a crime, what is stopping them taking it to the next level.
{flamesuit on}

 

[Sterling]

yea, suing the makers isn't suing cheaters at all? they probably tested them in game, so that would also make them cheaters too.

except for the fact that these people not only made and distributed the hacks, they are profiting off it. you can't go and say that these people are also probably cheaters as you have no proof either way to support your claim. so no, they aren't suing cheaters they are suing these 3 individuals who created the hacks.

damn i didn't see that they were selling them. xd i wasn't criticizing your post either, just pointing out that they probably also tested them in game too... which makes them cheaters, not just the cheat makers.

 

[jalaneme]

also having a lan party is difficult to do on a day to day basis.

do you know why? we dont have lan parties anymore?
because of this "controlled experience" stuff. blizzard needs to control you. thus no lan option. they don't like it when they can't tentacle in to your house and control your experience.bind you w/ stakes to their eula.
epic win. for the leaderboard whores.
edit: read that wrong. lol. wow, i'm leaving this debate, too worked up now.

gaming today is all about control, online, spying, forced remote updates developers want to control the way you want to play, it's not about what you want anymore.

 

[Zetta_x]

"living in a world so cold... wasting away. living in a shell with no soul, since you gone away..."

we live in a world dominated by the most powerful. in respect to power, blizzard wins. no matter your moral, no matter what you believe in, things hosted by blizzard will be dominated by blizzard. is it fair? no, but equality would be unfair.

 

[narutofan777]

lol wtf just some folks who cheated now they gonna get sued? bs

 

[Deleted member 256505]

"living in a world so cold... wasting away. living in a shell with no soul, since you gone away..."

we live in a world dominated by the most powerful. in respect to power, blizzard wins. no matter your moral, no matter what you believe in, things hosted by blizzard will be dominated by blizzard. is it fair? no, but equality would be unfair.

your logic doesn't make any sense to me. in accepting that the current situation for the hackers is unfair, how does it follow that equality (presumably an even footing between blizzard and the sued, for example) would also be unfair?

 

[RupeeClock]

think of it this way, blizzard are suing guys who were deliberately disrupting their service, and enabling others to disrupt the service. it's bad for blizzard's business.

i think it may also violate the computer misuse act, but i'm not certain.
anyway, the case is strong enough on that alone, the copyright crap isn't necessary, and probably untrue since patches are a list of changes made to something.
it's unauthorised changing of code but i dunno if they ever counts as copyright violation.

 

[Deleted User]

yay

 

[Joktan]

wow that seams a little over board...ban them but sue???wow.

 

[exangel]

think of it this way, blizzard are suing guys who were deliberately disrupting their service, and enabling others to disrupt the service. it's bad for blizzard's business.

that's exactly how i see it.
but as far as cheating goes with console and offline/single-player games, another person touched upon something that i had nearly forgotten about -- debug modes and other content not accessible without cheating. i have vague recollections of debug rooms in rpg's up until playstation or ps2-era, for instance. it is sad that stuff like that is pretty much removed from modern games.

 

[antwill]

wow that seams a little over board...ban them but sue???wow.

they're not suing the actual cheaters. they're suing the creators of the hack. someone change the title so people like joktan who don't read the article and only the title know this.

 

[Deleted member 256505]

think of it this way, blizzard are suing guys who were deliberately disrupting their service, and enabling others to disrupt the service. it's bad for blizzard's business.

i think it may also violate the computer misuse act, but i'm not certain.
anyway, the case is strong enough on that alone, the copyright crap isn't necessary, and probably untrue since patches are a list of changes made to something.
it's unauthorised changing of code but i dunno if they ever counts as copyright violation.

from what i've read, that act was designed with high-security (as opposed to before the act was introduced) information systems in mind. the wikipedia article you cited covers identity theft, and specifically, grounds to prove intent of material theft, which r v. gold & schifreen lacked. i'm not convinced you can place an online computer game in the same vein. by that same standard, console emulators can be placed under the same blanket; furthermore, their guilt would be held to the same standard by hackers who attempt something a little less than grand larceny. it also extends to trojan horses and viruses. the starcraft ii cheats were not created for the intention of petty theft or computer terrorism.

 

[Joktan]

wow that seams a little over board...ban them but sue???wow.

they're not suing the actual cheaters. they're suing the creators of the hack. someone change the title so people like joktan who don't read the article and only the title know this.

i did read it for your information.and i didn't understand fully.i thought they were just the developers of the cheats cheating.and i didn't know they meant distributing it.so thats why i said ban them.