Banned Switch

Discussion in 'Switch - Console, Accessories & Hardware' started by increvnn, Apr 18, 2018.

  1. guily6669

    guily6669 GbaTemp is my Drug

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    Nop, because I agree too... Same way as the piracy\modding, in the EULA it can say they will put you in jail and whatever is there written, but in some countries they actually state that piracy is not ethical but you can privately download files for your personal use only and never make profit with anything related to it, therefore the EULA can kiss my ass...
     
  2. D34DL1N3R

    D34DL1N3R Nephilim

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    Except the piracy/copyright laws in the USA do not say that you can download whatever you want as long as you don't profit from it.
     
  3. kumikochan

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    Wich he didn't. He paid for an account so by law Nintendo should only ban the account or delete the game but not ban the console in a whole since he did not violate system security that harms Nintendo or other users etc. If a user does something that causes harm security wise then they can ban the console LAW wise but for buying an account they can't but they did so in the end Nintendo thinks they're above the law and it's as simple as that.
     
  4. wvsgnovize

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    Nobody actually questioned this...
    The question (which is still unanswered as far as I can tell, by the way) is if there is a law that specifically ALLOWS you to add an account with a most likely stolen copy of a game on it to your switch OR a law that specifically FORBIDS Nintendo from banning the entire console as a result of breaching their TOS.

    Because, if neither is the case, then Nintendo is acting well withing the law (as opposed to trying to position their EULA above the law).

    If anyone has an answer to this, please cite an actual court case and/or law. Because otherwise its all just speculation.
     
  5. kumikochan

    kumikochan GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

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    I can't find one immediatly but i know that there's a law regarding that because of a whole discussion i saw in the past regarding steam. Steam only deletes the games from your account but doesn't ban your account since it doesn't violate security causing harm to the servers or other players. And Nintendo doesn't do that because they Always act shitty. I am pretty sure if users sue Nintendo as a group that they would lose that case.
     
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  6. wvsgnovize

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    According to the Steam support pages, they DO ban accounts. Amongst the possible reasons, they list piracy of any form as well as trading accounts (which is exactly what happened to OP).
    https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=5406-WFZC-5519&l=english
     
  7. kumikochan

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    They only ban accounts when they cheat or causes harm security wise. I have gotten multiple games removed over the years because they were bought on sites like kinguin and so forth. A EULA is not the law and they know that hance why they don't ban. I've NEVER heard that an account got banned because they bought a key or account somewhere. They only remove the game from the account and that is that. Plus Steam deletes the account but cannot ban you from getting another account while Nintendo bans your whole fucking console making it so that getting a new account is impossible on that system wich is a step much further then what steam does
     
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  8. guily6669

    guily6669 GbaTemp is my Drug

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    That I have no idea as I don't live in the US, but in my country there was a time where it was like that, nowadays I dont have a clue. But we have other bad things like media being more expensive like CDs\DVDs because you pay a tax for something to do with the piracy and I think some part of it goes to artists or some crap like that.

    However running a piracy related server will lead to jail off course...
     
  9. wvsgnovize

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    OP didn't buy a game; he bought an account that had the game on it, used that account to install the game and then played the game with his existing account.

    If you buy a cheap code, you'd have no way of knowing if that code was obtained illegally. Therefore, Steam is most likely cutting their users some slack.
    Buying an account to get the game from, on the other hand, is shady as hell.

    By now, I've only heard arguments like "I'm pretty sure there is a law for that", "it would be stupid if there wasn't a law" and "Nintendo is evil by default, so everything they do must be against the law". So, until anyone can prove me wrong, I'm just going to assume there is no law for that and therefore Nintendo is in the right (you know, presumption of innocence).
     
  10. kumikochan

    kumikochan GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

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    READ what i said. '' I've NEVER heard that an account got banned because they bought a key or account somewhere'' ''Plus Steam deletes the account but cannot ban you from getting another account while Nintendo bans your whole fucking console making it so that getting a new account is impossible on that system wich is a step much further then what steam does''
     
  11. guily6669

    guily6669 GbaTemp is my Drug

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    Basically Nintendo encourages you to just hack the console and run backups instead as there will be no point in buying games anymore since all the features will be OFF for you
     
  12. wvsgnovize

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    Getting another account as a replacement for a banned account is a strong violation of Steams TOS. They have the right to ban your new account instantly, and they will do so if they find out about it (which they likely will). Also, there is DEFINITELY no law that forbids this practice because literally every web community operates like that.

    Also, Steam is simply not technically capable of banning your entire computer from their network because A) a PC does not have a unique identification number that cannot be changed and B) it consists of several interchangeable components instead of being a prepackaged device. If they could ban your PC, they probably would.
     
  13. kumikochan

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    No they fucking don't. All i can see is you're a die hard Nintendo Defender. If you get your account suspended and you get a new account and abide by the rules Steam won't do shit while Nintendo is banning the whole console making it impossible to ever use online ever again. Those are facts. You saying they would is the same as you keep saying '' as long as you can't state me a law right now i won't believe you''. No you don't know they would and you don't have anything to back that up so sorry i'm doing the completely same shit now you just did okay
     
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  14. guily6669

    guily6669 GbaTemp is my Drug

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    Well on steam I used my current account in all kinds, shapes and sizes of backup multiplayer steam patched games with it and I'm still to get a ban since like 2005 :).

    Hell even had that awesome time of having all games in my account and downloading them trough steam :D.
     
  15. wvsgnovize

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    According to their support page, they do. So, you're saying their support page is lying then?

    No, I just don't automatically believe everything a random person on the internet is telling me.

    Never had that happen to me, so I don't have any idea what they do or don't do in these cases. Their support page says they do, though...

    The atom mass of Cobald is 58.933u. That is also a fact. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of laws, therefore I can't use it to support my argument.

    Yeah, and you keep saying that there definitely IS a law, but you will absolutely not cite it. So I guess we're at a stalemate here.
    Fortunately for me, I'm not the one throwing accusations around, so I don't have to prove anything (unlike you).

    You're of course free to brand me as a "die hard Nintendo Defender" if that makes you feel better, but it doesn't change the fact that you accuse Nintendo of breaking the law and you can't even cite the law that they are supposedly breaking.
    I, on the other hand, am just saying that they are innocent until someone (for example, the person making the accusation) proves them guilty.
     
  16. Sheimi

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    I wouldn't recommend that tbh
     
  17. the_randomizer

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    Uh no, that's a foolish idea, no offense.
     
  18. kumikochan

    kumikochan GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

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    And you keep telling me that Steam bans accounts for buying, selling accounts or even using keys from websites as kinguin g2a and so on because they are usually bought with stolen credit cards but can't provide me any proof of that whatsoever so i'm just using the same bullshit ur saying. You do throw accusations around. You're saying steam bans accounts for the reasons i specified wich you have zero proof for. You also state that Nintendo is in their right to ban consoles for using a bought account. Like i already told you a Thousand times and i keep telling you '' stop using quotes from a terms of service wich is not the fucking law''. Terms of service aren't above the law so quote me something real instead of constantly bringing up the EULA and so forth up. It's the same story when i bought a chinese Phone but i had it shipped from a European warehouse but in their contract it stated i only had 1 year of warranty but i got it fixed free of charge after more then a year because the law clearly states that every product that is sold in Europe needs to have a minimum of 2 years warranty and they kept telling me our terms of service and i just filed a complaint with an official European agency and i got it fixed plus an extra discount code for the troubles. Another company thinking they were above the law ;) The reason for that story is to show you terms of service etc are not the law so stop quoting me that. And no i can't find anything at the moment that proves what i'm saying that Nintendo can't ban your console but i'm pretty sure they can't restrict your whole console going online for buying an account and not even violating anything that causes harm to the security, network and other users.
     
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  19. wvsgnovize

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    I do. Their support page says they do. So, even if they are not actively doing it (or only in special cases, or whatever) they reserve the right to ban your entire account for stealing games or trading other accounts. I don't know what more proof you could ask for beyond steam literally saying that they do that.

    Well, than how instead of telling me 1000 times "THERE IS A LAW, THERE IS A LAW, JUST BELIEVE ME AND DON'T QUESTION ME BECAUSE THERE IS A LAW", you act like an actual adult and show me the law? Because, if you did that then I would believe you and this entire discussion would end.

    No, that would be different, because in this case I could actually cite laws. Which I will gladly do and invite you to follow my example be telling me which law YOU are referring to.
    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:32011L0083&qid=1403274218893
    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex:31999L0044
     
  20. kumikochan

    kumikochan GBAtemp Advanced Maniac

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    Read previous comment because you keep repeating and repeating the same stuff over and over and i'm not gonna write everything over and over again so i'm ending this with '' Read previous comment'' Since what you said i already adressed in previous comments and i already answered you over and over again.
     
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