Another Wii Update

[kristijan08]

Guys,
I just updated my PAL Wii about half an hour ago not knowing this apparent "Trucha Fix" update was available. After a quick scare im pleased to say that Trucha Signed games, Freeloader, Scrubbed games and the Twilight Hack all still work so the PAL update is still ok to use.

Everything still works as of right now. However, according to wiibrew.org, the trucha exploit and Freeloader will eventually stop working.

yeah thats expected, though. everyone knows these arent futureproof exploits. the moral of the story is, finish all your trucha signed games while you can, or just make sure you are getting untouched backups that don't use trucha.

 

[mb01]

* Until the system menu is updated to use IOS37, it will have no effect.

* Once the system menu is updated to use IOS37, "Trucha-Signed" discs -- or channels -- will stop working, as will the Freeloader disc.

Could this possibly mean there is going to be one more minor update to make the system menu use IOS37..???

 

[stev418]

Just a thought, I would assume that an original bought freeloader would still work? (Since its made from pressed/glass? master disc like a retail game) It would just be the cracked version that has been trucha-signed that will stop? I suppose theres no way to 'confirm' this, but any have any thoughts on this?

 

[bosscolor]

Trucha is dead

Long life to freeloader

 

[Bob Evil]

Just a thought, I would assume that an original bought freeloader would still work? (Since its made from pressed/glass? master disc like a retail game) It would just be the cracked version that has been trucha-signed that will stop? I suppose theres no way to 'confirm' this, but any have any thoughts on this?

I have an unmodded Wii, and an original, store-bought Freeloader, and it still works perfectly, even after the update.

 

[mb01]

It seems strange that all exploits still work at the moment, but wiibrew.org states that the Trucha Fix wont take effect until the system menu uses the new IOS37 firmware. Does this mean either there will be another small update for it to take effect OR the Trucha checks will be in the ISO's somewhere. Maybe it will be possible to find these checks and remove them using Trucha just like the 001 ERROR?

 

[Tanas]

I cant see how IOS37 can just magically come into effect, without another update to activate it.

 

[light_kun]

I used Trucha Signer to take off the drive check of Super Mario Galaxy and Super Smash Bros. Brawl. Would they not work later on?

EDITr is it saying that future games using Trucha Signer won't work?

 

[mb01]

Thats exactly what i am thinking! If this update did kill trucha wouldnt it be done straight away? Although wiibrew.org does state that no software uses the IOS37 at the moment. That also leads me to believe it could be some sort of check included in all new games.

 

[stev418]

true, it sounds like the IOS37 has the fix, and we just wait for the new menu update to utilize it. What i want to know is will a bought freeloader still work? as it doesn't use trucha-signer, it is in fact a 'retail' disc.

 

[mb01]

I wouldnt put it past Nintendo to block the Original Freeloader in the next major firmware, maybe 3.3?? As they can block the Action Replay and they also blocked the Gamecube Freeloader.

 

[g4jek8j54]

true, it sounds like the IOS37 has the fix, and we just wait for the new menu update to utilize it. What i want to know is will a bought freeloader still work? as it doesn't use trucha-signer, it is in fact a 'retail' disc.

While the Freeloader is a pressed disc, it will probably still be blocked, if it uses the trucha exploit to sign it with a fake key.

 

[Bob Evil]

true, it sounds like the IOS37 has the fix, and we just wait for the new menu update to utilize it. What i want to know is will a bought freeloader still work? as it doesn't use trucha-signer, it is in fact a 'retail' disc.

While the Freeloader is a pressed disc, it will probably still be blocked, if it uses the trucha exploit to sign it with a fake key.

That is not how Datel usually work ... their normal trick is to 'cut' a section from a legitimate disc, and merge it with their own code.

Basically, they press their stuff right onto an original disc ... PS2 AR discs, for example, are usually pressed onto Crazy Taxi discs ... but it 'misses' the parts that allow the console to recognize the disc as an original.

 

[Bob Evil]

***accidental duplicate post***

 

[Yugge]

true, it sounds like the IOS37 has the fix, and we just wait for the new menu update to utilize it. What i want to know is will a bought freeloader still work? as it doesn't use trucha-signer, it is in fact a 'retail' disc.

While the Freeloader is a pressed disc, it will probably still be blocked, if it uses the trucha exploit to sign it with a fake key.

That is not how Datel usually work ... their normal trick is to 'cut' a section from a legitimate disc, and merge it with their own code.

Basically, they press their stuff right onto an original disc ... PS2 AR discs, for example, are usually pressed onto Crazy Taxi discs ... but it 'misses' the parts that allow the console to recognize the disc as an original.

They would then still have to sign it with that special key that only nintendo knows

Since they altered the ISO.



And to all those who arent techy, think about it this way:
Let say that the updates are like windows versions.
We are currently using the equivilent of Windows XP, which plays trucha signed games, since it has not been fixed. Now what this new update did, was to download the equivilent of Windows Vista, which do not play trucha signed games. Now, newer games will require Vista to play the games, but we are fine so long, because the update which will acually switch from XP to Vista has not arrived yet. But it's obvious that Nintendo has taken procedures to stop trucha signed games from working.

So:

If you want your trucha signed games to work, you can update this, but if you do, and then happend to pop in a game which contains the follow-up update to this one, your screwed. So to be on the safe side, do not upgrade.

 

[stev418]

ok, interesting. Didn't even realize the gamecube freeloader had been blocked.

 

[mb01]

Well after a lot of thinking i've come to the conclusion that this new IOS37 firmware will need an updated system menu to activate it. This will probably be the 3.3 update. There is no other way it can magically activate itself, especially if all current hacks are working. So basically we just need to dodge the next major update of the system menu and we should be ok. Only problem is Mario Kart will probably have this update included and need this update to run.

 

[stev418]

Just another thought. Although the original gamecube freeloader was blocked, didnt datel release a revised 'wii compatible' version? that hasn't been blocked?

 

[Bob Evil]

Datel are very good with their updates.

And, if you have a legit disc of theirs, that has become obsolete, due to patching or whatever, just mail it back to them, and they will send you the latest version for free ... they don't even charge you for postage.

 

[mb01]

Yeah im pretty sure they did. So maybe they can bring out another version of the wii Freeloader if the current one gets blocked. That is if it does not use the trucha exploit.