Aliens

[Shinigami357]

@cwstjdenobs - That's assuming that all life forms should be identical to the ones we are used to. That certainly isn't the case. In fact, scientists are routinely discovering some forms of life in places the conventional way of thinking could not have predicted [not sentient life, true, but still life].

To the point - scientists speculate that a large portion of prehistoric life might not be able to survive in the modern world. There's too much oxygen, the weather patterns are not the same, flora and fauna have changed, etc. And if the place that these creatures that actually lived here before could be changed so much and still allow as much diversity, who's to say that such things [or even more bizarre things] can't happen elsewhere?

We can't say for sure how life could evolve in other places, because it's always so resilient, to the point that it's like it has double-redundant fail-safes. Bacteria can mutate from one strain to another in hours. Even a virus can carry DNA. And of course, like Darwin proved centuries ago - the life forms always adapt to their environment. It's that or face extinction. And I have complete faith [not in the science but in the resilience and creativity of life in general] that life can indeed evolve regardless of whether it's in an Earth-like or non-Earth-like environment.


On Topic.

Rather obvious. I believe that life exists. It can be anywhere, at any time, under any circumstance. The Universe is just one more frontier for it to conquer, and who's to say it can't?

 

[The Catboy]

I do believe in aliens myself. I am not sure if they are in our galaxy, but I am willing to bet there is another planet out there just like Earth that has life on it as well.

 

[SinHarvest24]

I'm guessing from the non/questionable believers here, that they didn't watch the videos on the first page. Explain that. Aliens do exist.

 

[smealum]

I'm guessing from the non/questionable believers here, that they didn't watch the videos on the first page. Explain that. Aliens do exist.

And I'm guessing you didn't watch the first video. Just because something in the sky can't be identified or explained doesn't mean it's an alien.

 

[Shinigami357]

Hey, relax guys. Let's not get into circular arguments, ok?

 

[SinHarvest24]

I'm guessing from the non/questionable believers here, that they didn't watch the videos on the first page. Explain that. Aliens do exist.

And I'm guessing you didn't watch the first video. Just because something in the sky can't be identified or explained doesn't mean it's an alien.

Correct. I shall watch it.

 

[RoyalCardMan]

I'm not so sure a debate about the existence of intelligent life on other planets is the correct place to be talking about God (the 'made in Gods image' part really irritates me about this particular branch of religion, if it were remotely true, we would all look the same. We don't, people from different parts of the world look quite different from each other). Many religious people (perhaps not the teachings) believe Earth to be the only planet in the entire Universe that could possible have intelligent life on it. I think that that particular view is a little old fissioned for the world we currently live in. As for the talk about aliens being 'animals' I would like to remind you that we are all animals. We, as humans are no better or 'higher' than the rest of the creatures on this or any other planet. Your argument about animals running on instinct rather than knowledge I can only interoperate as being wrong. Every animal shows signs of intelligence and is more than capable of using their past experience to influence future decisions. They learn that some actions lead to good outcomes and others to bad ones. Personally, I feel that any aliens that are in a similar position to us (as humans) will probably look similar to us, the evolutionary process has ensured that our bodies are quite efficient (no perfect you will note) and it stands to reason, that bipeds with two arms, a bunch of fingers, front-facing eyes etc. is the result of a good evolutionary process on any other planet too. However, the technology, or rather the understanding required to travel the vast distances between stars would suggest that it is unlikely that we would be visited by aliens. For a start, if life is sparse in the universe, it would be unlikely that they would even find us, never mind going out of their way to come and have a look.
Wrong again, my friend. There is one thing that humans have that seperate us from the animals. It is a conscience. QUOTEAnimals are directed by their instincts, needs, and learned behaviors, not by a moral code. Humans, on the other hand, have someting that drives them towards two options, the good and the bad way. From there, humans can decide to do from there. Yes, humans do have an "instinct", but that instinct is often interrupted by his or her conscience. Now, if a person were to be phsycologically ill, such as being a phsycho-path, the person could not be able to correctly use the conscience.

A full-fledged answer my friend. You may think I am ignorant, but I am only displaying the facts before you.

Edit: And, here is a video about a siting called the "Pheonix Lights", which is the most power evidence if alien existance.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sx6bKMuIKNE&feature=related[/youtube]

 

[nando]

i think there are aliens, i don't believe they've ever made it to earth.

 

[Mangofett]

http://www.science20.com/stars_planets_lif...ld_begin_chance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe#Size...ure.2C_and_laws

If aliens don't exist, we are defying statistics.

 

[spinal_cord]

Wrong again, my friend. There is one thing that humans have that seperate us from the animals. It is a conscience.

Animals are directed by their instincts, needs, and learned behaviors, not by a moral code. Humans, on the other hand, have someting that drives them towards two options, the good and the bad way. From there, humans can decide to do from there.

So you're saying that if a human was raised by wild animals and had not learned how modern man acts around others, then their conscience would still let them know the 'correct' way to act? I find that hard to swallow. There are plenty of cases where animals have adopted the young of other animals, overcoming their natural instinct to kill and eat them example, example, example.
Both humans and the rest of the animals act in a way that is beneficial to themselves, people are nice to each other because they have learned that in return others will usually be nice to them. Others are nasty to each other because they have learned that they can get what they want out of a situation regardless. the same applies to other animals. A dog might be kind natured because it has learned that in return for its kindness, people will feed and house it. On the flip side, a 'bad' dog has also learned that it can take what it wants without needing to be nice in order to get it. Morals are just learned behaviour, like anything else. the difference is, that we (humans) cover most of the planet, so it is the norm that the next generation learns a lot from the last, whereas in the animal kingdom it is less likely.

 

[RoyalCardMan]

Wrong again, my friend. There is one thing that humans have that seperate us from the animals. It is a conscience.

Animals are directed by their instincts, needs, and learned behaviors, not by a moral code. Humans, on the other hand, have someting that drives them towards two options, the good and the bad way. From there, humans can decide to do from there.

So you're saying that if a human was raised by wild animals and had not learned how modern man acts around others, then their conscience would still let them know the 'correct' way to act? I find that hard to swallow. There are plenty of cases where animals have adopted the young of other animals, overcoming their natural instinct to kill and eat them example, example, example.
Both humans and the rest of the animals act in a way that is beneficial to themselves, people are nice to each other because they have learned that in return others will usually be nice to them. Others are nasty to each other because they have learned that they can get what they want out of a situation regardless. the same applies to other animals. A dog might be kind natured because it has learned that in return for its kindness, people will feed and house it. On the flip side, a 'bad' dog has also learned that it can take what it wants without needing to be nice in order to get it. Morals are just learned behaviour, like anything else. the difference is, that we (humans) cover most of the planet, so it is the norm that the next generation learns a lot from the last, whereas in the animal kingdom it is less likely.

One thing to go against your "facts". During World War II, children in Germany were raised to hate to Jews. They were raised as the Hitler Youth. Yes, many of them fell for these lies of "We must preserve our nation by killing the Jews(and many other races)", but there were some who, even though raised to make a "pure" nation, knew this was wrong and went against Hitler, but then were killed.

Also, there have been children who were raised to be athiests(true stories). From what your think, all these children would have stayed this way because they learned from their parents to be this way, but some of them turn Christian, knowing that athiests are wrong.

So, your theory is not correct in the long-run.

Edit: And, actually the animals who adopted the babies of others actually ate the younglings in the end. Scientists don't know why they do it. They have some conclusion that the animals could have been "playing" with their food. We don't know if the animals were trying to be nice or what.

 

[Psyfira]

But, one thing I don't get is why people think aliens are going to be these big blobs of what ever they are and are mean and green. Why wouldn't you just think that they are regular humans like us. I mean, God create all humans in God's image. If you wanted to argue the point that aliens are not humans, but animals, then why would you call them "intellegent" lifeforms. If they were animals, they would be running on instinct, not knowledge.

Assuming "everyone thinks aliens don't look like us" is kind of incorrect, I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of science fiction? But the opposite is true as well, we can't assume that all intelliegent life God placed in the universe can be matched to something we already know. We have no idea how many worlds God has created, maybe we're just one part of a much larger picture. The assumption that all dominant alien lifeforms would resemble one particular race from our planet is incorrect, but we can't assume that they won't either. We just don't know.

The point is there's a lot of possibilities, and we can't really assume anything. Religeon, evolution, whichever side of the bat you go for, to assume that our little world has shown us every kind of life the universe has to offer is just narrow minded. To this day, there are thousands of species of insect and deep sea life on earth that have yet to be catalogued.

Just because bipedal humans turned out to be one of the strongest races for the environmental conditions on this particular planet doesn't nessasarily mean the same will be true of somewhere else. If a world contains 95% water for instance, the dominant race would be some kind of aquatic creature and creationism / evolution would go from there.

(To answer the origianl question in this thread; yes I do believe there is life out there somewhere. Whether we ever get far enough out there to find it or prove it or even recognise it when we see it, who knows. But the universe is just too damn big to just have us in it

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[RoyalCardMan]

But, one thing I don't get is why people think aliens are going to be these big blobs of what ever they are and are mean and green. Why wouldn't you just think that they are regular humans like us. I mean, God create all humans in God's image. If you wanted to argue the point that aliens are not humans, but animals, then why would you call them "intellegent" lifeforms. If they were animals, they would be running on instinct, not knowledge.

Assuming "everyone thinks aliens don't look like us" is kind of incorrect, I'm guessing you don't watch a lot of science fiction? But the opposite is true as well, we can't assume that all intelliegent life God placed in the universe can be matched to something we already know. We have no idea how many worlds God has created, maybe we're just one part of a much larger picture. The assumption that all dominant alien lifeforms would resemble one particular race from our planet is incorrect, but we can't assume that they won't either. We just don't know.

The point is there's a lot of possibilities, and we can't really assume anything. Religeon, evolution, whichever side of the bat you go for, to assume that our little world has shown us every kind of life the universe has to offer is just narrow minded. To this day, there are thousands of species of insect and deep sea life on earth that have yet to be catalogued.

Just because bipedal humans turned out to be one of the strongest races for the environmental conditions on this particular planet doesn't nessasarily mean the same will be true of somewhere else. If a world contains 95% water for instance, the dominant race would be some kind of aquatic creature and creationism / evolution would go from there.

(To answer the origianl question in this thread; yes I do believe there is life out there somewhere. Whether we ever get far enough out there to find it or prove it or even recognise it when we see it, who knows. But the universe is just too damn big to just have us in it

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Well, you have some points there, but there is a debate(well, one that just started) about what God meant by "image". I mean, did he mean in physical terms, or in more of a term that our archetecture(or what you would call it) is the same. Yes, on other planets the environment is different and humans there would have to adapt to that environment, but they are still human, like us.

And I don't really believe in the theory of evolution. It is kind of an athiest theory. Most of it tries to prove that not God made all things, but the world itself did. They try to say the universe just happened. Well, somewhat that goes against the idea that "Every action has an equal reaction". Well, look at it this way. God being all powerful and strong, he created a really beatiful, fantastic, I can't even describe it, Universe. Now, the Big Bang theory doesn't go with this idea of science. They theorized that this big mass just exploded out of no where and made the universe.

So, in conclusion, the Evolution theory is more of an idea to turn peopel away from God. Well, yes chimps have 99% of their DNA matching ours, but what about that 1%. I mean, there are lots of species that are closely related to each other, but we don't say that they came from each other.

Now, back on topic. Yes, you have some points there. The other argument I could lay against you is that the Bible said "his image" not images.

So, it is an ongoing debate.

 

[Magmorph]

One thing to go against your "facts". During World War II, children in Germany were raised to hate to Jews. They were raised as the Hitler Youth. Yes, many of them fell for these lies of "We must preserve our nation by killing the Jews(and many other races)", but there were some who, even though raised to make a "pure" nation, knew this was wrong and went against Hitler, but then were killed.
Did this happen without any outside influence? If humans know right from wrong then why do massive genocides keep happening?

Also, there have been children who were raised to be athiests(true stories). From what your think, all these children would have stayed this way because they learned from their parents to be this way, but some of them turn Christian, knowing that athiests are wrong.
There have been children raised to be Christian who turn out to be atheists or children raised to be Jewish who turn Buddhist. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing.
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Edit: And, actually the animals who adopted the babies of others actually ate the younglings in the end. Scientists don't know why they do it. They have some conclusion that the animals could have been "playing" with their food. We don't know if the animals were trying to be nice or what.

I highly doubt that tortoise ate its adopted baby hippo. I don't think you even read the articles posted or have any evidence of the claims you are making.

I don't know how this thread got so off topic. I wouldn't say that there is even a 100% certainty that there is no life in our solar system. We have explored very little of it extensively.

 

[SinHarvest24]

Also, there have been children who were raised to be athiests(true stories). From what your think, all these children would have stayed this way because they learned from their parents to be this way, but some of them turn Christian, knowing that athiests are wrong.

There have been children raised to be Christian who turn out to be atheists or children raised to be Jewish who turn Buddhist. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing.

I was just waiting for it.

 

[RoyalCardMan]

One thing to go against your "facts". During World War II, children in Germany were raised to hate to Jews. They were raised as the Hitler Youth. Yes, many of them fell for these lies of "We must preserve our nation by killing the Jews(and many other races)", but there were some who, even though raised to make a "pure" nation, knew this was wrong and went against Hitler, but then were killed.
Did this happen without any outside influence? If humans know right from wrong then why do massive genocides keep happening?

Also, there have been children who were raised to be athiests(true stories). From what your think, all these children would have stayed this way because they learned from their parents to be this way, but some of them turn Christian, knowing that athiests are wrong.
There have been children raised to be Christian who turn out to be atheists or children raised to be Jewish who turn Buddhist. What does this mean? Absolutely nothing.
QUOTE

Edit: And, actually the animals who adopted the babies of others actually ate the younglings in the end. Scientists don't know why they do it. They have some conclusion that the animals could have been "playing" with their food. We don't know if the animals were trying to be nice or what.

I highly doubt that tortoise ate its adopted baby hippo. I don't think you even read the articles posted or have any evidence of the claims you are making.

I don't know how this thread got so off topic. I wouldn't say that there is even a 100% certainty that there is no life in our solar system. We have explored very little of it extensively.

Yes some cases went without outside influence(If you learned the history of World War II, you would understand).

Did something darastic happen to these children? There are many very ill-willed people out there, you know.

Well, how do you know the Tortiose actually adopted the baby Hippo? You don't know what the animals were thinking(if you know, then please tell me).

Now, I don't have the time to argue with people who have no idea what they are talking about, so please stay on topic. No, I don't believe aliens exist, but I do believe that lifeforms or beings on other planets do.

 

[Pyrmon]

Well, you have some points there, but there is a debate(well, one that just started) about what God meant by "image". I mean, did he mean in physical terms, or in more of a term that our archetecture(or what you would call it) is the same. Yes, on other planets the environment is different and humans there would have to adapt to that environment, but they are still human, like us.

And I don't really believe in the theory of evolution. It is kind of an athiest theory. Most of it tries to prove that not God made all things, but the world itself did. They try to say the universe just happened. Well, somewhat that goes against the idea that "Every action has an equal reaction". Well, look at it this way. God being all powerful and strong, he created a really beatiful, fantastic, I can't even describe it, Universe. Now, the Big Bang theory doesn't go with this idea of science. They theorized that this big mass just exploded out of no where and made the universe.

So, in conclusion, the Evolution theory is more of an idea to turn peopel away from God. Well, yes chimps have 99% of their DNA matching ours, but what about that 1%. I mean, there are lots of species that are closely related to each other, but we don't say that they came from each other.

Now, back on topic. Yes, you have some points there. The other argument I could lay against you is that the Bible said "his image" not images.

So, it is an ongoing debate.

You, sir, are an idiot.
Evolution if fact. Period. Look it up. It's purpose is not to make people atheists, it's so we know the truth. Evolution and the Big Bang make far more sense than God just magically poofing everything in existence. There's evidence.
The Big bang did not happen on it's own. There are possible causes for it. Go look it up.
And the theory of evolution does not state we come from chimps. It says chimps are our distant cousins. We have a common ancestor.
The Bible is far from an accurate account of the creation of the Universe. The fact it says there was light before stars and plants before the sun and that the Universe is approximately 6000 years old are proof enough.

Now, read some of this. And this. And, especially for you, this.

Now, let me clarify. I believe in God. I also believe in not being a moron. Good day.

P-S: I wanted to keep my post count at 1000 a bit longer, but I can not ignore this... post...

 

[machomuu]

So, in conclusion, the Evolution theory is more of an idea to turn peopel away from God. Well, yes chimps have 99% of their DNA matching ours, but what about that 1%. I mean, there are lots of species that are closely related to each other, but we don't say that they came from each other.

Wh...what? That's...what? That's not it at all. Where did you hear that we have 99% the same DNA, that's not how it works, that's not why scientists think we're similar. And to the first statement...what? It's not an athiestic theory...heck, even strict chrisitans know that the Adam and Eve story isn't true, it's just a teaching story.

 

[Vigilante]

There are.
Don't trust our todays current science.
There are still millions or even billions out there that are just waiting to be discovered.

 

[KingVamp]

No, I don't believe aliens exist, but I do believe that lifeforms or beings on other planets do.

Isn't that what we mean by aliens here?

Kinda wish they were. That are nice,look,live and do technology different.
Just to see something new. They have too, it would be nice just to see if it more out there.

Like a planet of Sky and Water people...

AKA 50/50