Gaming 3DS to have achievements, friends list, potential voice chat

[Midna]

^That. Go stick your head in a pig, Dragonlord.

 

[T3GZdev]

^That. Go stick your head in a pig, Dragonlord.

lol i almost choked on my mountain dew when i read this.

 

[KingVamp]

They better ditch friend codes.

^This. The 3DS would become a legendary handheld in my books, if it had everything the first post included.

Only way they do that is to just keep ds/dsi part friends code and the 3DS part not :/

QUOTE(Midna @ Jun 17 2010, 02:32 AM)

^That. Go stick your head in a pig, Dragonlord.

lol i almost choked on my mountain dew when i read this.

 

[granville]

Achievements = gimmick (what a waste of time. if you are a true gamer you don't need shit like this)
"fake" 3D = gimmick (and totally useless shit... only "true" 3D is worth it)
Friends List = gimmick (biggest crap idea ever. if you are a true gamer you don't need shit like this)

So yes, this console is a huge gimmick parade. Better it is from a technical point of view in that it has larger screens and more 3D-Rendering (OpenGL! not "fake" 3D!) power than the previous console. But that's also not what I talk about. Somewhat more power is nice but if the games stay the crap they are today this won't help much.

What nonsense. Utter nonsense that has been proven completely untrue. What is a gimmick to you is a vital experience to other people. And your perception of a true gamer is ignorant arrogance that makes you look extremely immature. I don't like achievements or friends list, but there is no doubt that many people adore them. Your ignorance is not going to help you, it is childish. The 3D is NOT fake, it has been confirmed to pop out at you FROM the screen itself. You could say this is more real than any other 3D that is even out today. The only "true" 3D game is what you perceive in the world around you, this is the closest you've seen. And ALREADY it has proven to improve the entire gameplay experience by helping depth perception.

As for the games, i assume you didn't see the enormous list of games that are in development, shame for you. I'm not going to link you, go find it yourself. There are way more than you'd possibly think could happen on a system so early in development. And none of them would be considered shovelware or crap from a true gamer's standpoint.

Then of course, you have the improved wifi, analog nub, extremely improved graphics, increased storage, etc etc. None of those can be considered gimmicks unless you're the kind of jackass who doesn't understand what natural game system evolution is.

The 3DS may suck, but the odds of it sucking are now so unlikely that it's not even worth imagining. The amazing first AND third party support and the enormous game lineup are proof that they don't intend on having a failure of a system. If it was a failure, they'd avoid it like the plague.

 

[mkoo]

friends and gaming are an antonym to me..

 

[ProtoKun7]

Go stick your head in a pig

LOL Hitchhiker's


An achievement feature would be quite a welcome addition in my opinion, as I like the fact you can get achievements on Steam too.

 

[Nollog]

Achievements = gimmick (what a waste of time. if you are a true gamer you don't need shit like this)
"fake" 3D = gimmick (and totally useless shit... only "true" 3D is worth it)
Friends List = gimmick (biggest crap idea ever. if you are a true gamer you don't need shit like this)
Guy, so the xbox and ps3 are gimmicks?


QUOTE(granville @ Jun 17 2010, 04:52 AM) The 3D is NOT fake, it has been confirmed to pop out at you FROM the screen itself.

She means 3D, not S3D.
(S=Stereoscopic)
That's right. I'm laying claims to S3D now.

Also, why hasn't anyone gotten mad about the lack of force feedback yet?
The stylus is telescopic, meaning there can't really be any electronics in it, can there?

 

[Dragonlord]

What nonsense. Utter nonsense that has been proven completely untrue. What is a gimmick to you is a vital experience to other people. And your perception of a true gamer is ignorant arrogance that makes you look extremely immature. I don't like achievements or friends list, but there is no doubt that many people adore them. Your ignorance is not going to help you, it is childish.
Oh, definitely not. And it's neither ignorance nor childish. I'm a game-dev so this is a game-dev point of view. It is a gimmick which had been brought into play to raise game shelf times and game sales to compensate for lackluster game design. Rule of thumb: if you need achievements or other gimmicks like that to get your game sold then your game in general lacks big time. But more I won't say to this since immature comments won't lead anywhere.

The 3D is NOT fake, it has been confirmed to pop out at you FROM the screen itself. You could say this is more real than any other 3D that is even out today. The only "true" 3D game is what you perceive in the world around you, this is the closest you've seen. And ALREADY it has proven to improve the entire gameplay experience by helping depth perception.
If you have no idea about 3D rendering and 3D tech in general don't go around dissing people. Fake or true 3D refers to the eye-distance. If it's non-matching it's fake or incorrect. Not only is the effect limited it's also bad for the eyes and brain over long time since you have to "twist" your eyes and brain so to speak. Again more I won't say since the same people keep asking the same stupid questions. Fact is the 3DS uses "fake 3D" like 3D movies are using it or these new 3D tvs and no dissing is going to change that. Nothing more to say about that topic too.

As for the games, i assume you didn't see the enormous list of games that are in development, shame for you. I'm not going to link you, go find it yourself. There are way more than you'd possibly think could happen on a system so early in development. And none of them would be considered shovelware or crap from a true gamer's standpoint.
And which of those really "use" the new system? Most of them could be done the same way on the NDS. It's called "marketing stunt" in game-dev.

QUOTEThen of course, you have the improved wifi, analog nub, extremely improved graphics, increased storage, etc etc. None of those can be considered gimmicks unless you're the kind of jackass who doesn't understand what natural game system evolution is.

Improved Wifi... don't make me laugh. There isn't much improved on that. The analog nub/stick I already mentioned why it is a design-fail. As what goes for graphics I said they are improved. More or less the only thing which really improved. Increased storage is nice but that alone does not make a big difference. I doubt the storage limitations had limited NDS games. I've seen many NDS games with medium size consumption beat those going all the way up. "evolution" in game consoles is anyways something else by the way. Only a few changes in history so far had been real revolutions. The replacement cycle in consoles is anyways since quite some time a critic point. Of course you can simply look past this and pretend it's "evolution" but that would be far fetched... or rather said "hype machinery".

QUOTE

The 3DS may suck, but the odds of it sucking are now so unlikely that it's not even worth imagining. The amazing first AND third party support and the enormous game lineup are proof that they don't intend on having a failure of a system. If it was a failure, they'd avoid it like the plague.

I didn't say it sucks. I said it's not worth the drama nor hype since it's more or less just an NDS with a better GPU. Most of the gimmicks tacked on top of it are there to try to position it as something better. A typical marketing stunt. If you have an NDS there's not much reason to go for a 3DS. If your NDS breaks though or you have none then it makes sense to go for a 3DS. But it's not going to be the holy grail nor a quantum leap... not with what is here on the table right now as hard and solid facts. I'm looking at this from a pure technical and game-dev point of view. Everything else doesn't interest me. If it's not helping the game it's gimmick.

 

[Wii_Manic]

Acheivements - They Give you an incentive to go off and find all the little secrets and increase the longtivity of the game

Voice Chat - Allows you to socialise more, other than knowig the other persons name is M4R10K4RT or whatever..

Friend Lists - See who is online, make fun of them for playing shovelware, see who online doing what



Why wouldn't you want this?

Seems awsome, If true, Nintendo are truly listening to the Wii criticisms by upping the Online aspect of gaming.

 

[ProtoKun7]

Friend Lists - See who is online, make fun of them for playing shovelware, see who online doing what

...

Great idea!

Hopefully there won't be any 3DS shovelware though...

 

[tijntje_7]

^lol

Oh god, all those features announced slowly after each other. Till release date we've already got over 9000 features

Even more reason to buy a 3DS

Although my friends probably won't buy 3DS's, ah well

Still awesome

 

[Seraph]

What nonsense. Utter nonsense that has been proven completely untrue. What is a
As for the games, i assume you didn't see the enormous list of games that are in development, shame for you. I'm not going to link you, go find it yourself. There are way more than you'd possibly think could happen on a system so early in development. And none of them would be considered shovelware or crap from a true gamer's standpoint.

And which of those really "use" the new system? Most of them could be done the same way on the NDS. It's called "marketing stunt" in game-dev.

You say you're a game dev yet your posts are full of ignorance as are some of ours. You don't even know the specs of the system yet you can say the GPU is the only thing improved. Again, so you're saying the entire SNES was a gimmick in comparison with the NES? So I guess Nintendo came to you to develop a game for the 3DS and you rejected it because you saw the specs? You know the GPU can't possibly be the only thing that is improved right? You can't just stick the latest top of the line video card on a Pentium 4 and expect it to run Crysis can you?

You aren't looking at it in a technical and game-dev point of view. Sure, the other features may be "gimmicks" but from a technical point of view, the 3DS does the same thing as the DS from the GBA, the GBA from the GB.

(also, multiplayer features like friend lists add to the multiplayer experience not just something that is tacked on)

 

[DiscostewSM]

it's more or less just an NDS with a better GPU

You sir are an idiot to believe that, and can't be a real game developer if you think that way.

 

[dhjohn]

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Oh, definitely not. And it's neither ignorance nor childish. I'm a game-dev so this is a game-dev point of view. It is a gimmick which had been brought into play to raise game shelf times and game sales to compensate for lackluster game design. Rule of thumb: if you need achievements or other gimmicks like that to get your game sold then your game in general lacks big time. But more I won't say to this since immature comments won't lead anywhere.

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If you have no idea about 3D rendering and 3D tech in general don't go around dissing people. Fake or true 3D refers to the eye-distance. If it's non-matching it's fake or incorrect. Not only is the effect limited it's also bad for the eyes and brain over long time since you have to "twist" your eyes and brain so to speak. Again more I won't say since the same people keep asking the same stupid questions. Fact is the 3DS uses "fake 3D" like 3D movies are using it or these new 3D tvs and no dissing is going to change that. Nothing more to say about that topic too.

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And which of those really "use" the new system? Most of them could be done the same way on the NDS. It's called "marketing stunt" in game-dev.

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Improved Wifi... don't make me laugh. There isn't much improved on that. The analog nub/stick I already mentioned why it is a design-fail. As what goes for graphics I said they are improved. More or less the only thing which really improved. Increased storage is nice but that alone does not make a big difference. I doubt the storage limitations had limited NDS games. I've seen many NDS games with medium size consumption beat those going all the way up. "evolution" in game consoles is anyways something else by the way. Only a few changes in history so far had been real revolutions. The replacement cycle in consoles is anyways since quite some time a critic point. Of course you can simply look past this and pretend it's "evolution" but that would be far fetched... or rather said "hype machinery".

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I didn't say it sucks. I said it's not worth the drama nor hype since it's more or less just an NDS with a better GPU. Most of the gimmicks tacked on top of it are there to try to position it as something better. A typical marketing stunt. If you have an NDS there's not much reason to go for a 3DS. If your NDS breaks though or you have none then it makes sense to go for a 3DS. But it's not going to be the holy grail nor a quantum leap... not with what is here on the table right now as hard and solid facts. I'm looking at this from a pure technical and game-dev point of view. Everything else doesn't interest me. If it's not helping the game it's gimmick.

Ok, lets see, where to start...
Oh, how 'bout the "the 3d the fake" bit. If this 3d is fake, that means all 3d rendered on a screen has been fake, so we should fall back to snes era? No 3d games at all because it isn't real?

Second, the achievement thing. I will admit, some devs may try to use them as gimmicks to sell their games, however, that does not bust the entire system. I love achievements, they can make playing a good game even more enjoyable, and can encourage a player to approach puzzles, challenges in different ways. This is a good thing.

Third, I for one am thrilled they put an analog stick in. In a 3d environment, it can be very important to be able to move in non 45 degree angles.

Lastly, you claim to be a game-dev, yet you say that a better processor and gpu are not good for making a better game. I work on games all the time, and the limits of the cpu are a major factor in what you can do with a game. The gpu also, to a lesser extent (more power, more enemies/people/objects that can be on the screen at once.)

Anything that when used right makes a game for fun and enjoyable, is not a gimmick.

 

[Midna]

You're no hoopy frood, Dragonlord. I'll bet you don't even have a towel, let alone know where it is.

 

[giratina16]

Something tells me Dragonlord has no friends.

 

[DeltaBurnt]

No friend codes...please god no friend codes.

 

[Mischief]

lol Gangsterbowser 1992 is currently playing cooking mama 3ds

 

[Windaga]

Friends List = gimmick (biggest crap idea ever. if you are a true gamer you don't need shit like this)

I laughed.

In all seriousness, though, develop whatever the hell you want, how you want. Just don't be upset when people don't like it or enjoy it. But you aren't some high and mighty deity that can change common reality - a "true gamer" isn't up to you solely to define - as with everything else, items are designated definitions based on what the populous dictates. (The scale for this dictation varies, of course, depending on the object at hand) So I'm sorry - you don't get to force what you believe a "true gamer" is on other people, especially when they think other wise.

Lists of people and things, if you haven't noticed, is something that's been integrated into our very lives - from phones to games. It's something that's always existed, and it's something that we can't do without. In gaming, this might be different, but convenience is key - the majority of gamers like Friends Lists. If it puts you on the outside, you might want to rethink what a "gamer" is, and see where you fall.

Either way, I think this is great news. I'm not one for "achievements", but I will admit, it is one of the best ways to show off what you have accomplished in a game, and that feeling is pretty satisfying. The Friend's List is an awesome idea. I'm not against Friend Codes - they're kinda like phone numbers. However, I don't think every game should have it's own. It's good for people who don't have the time to boot up a game and exchange information there; granted, it'd probably be easier for people just to use this "tag mode" to grab clients. However, just having each 3DS have it's own friend code for different things (like maybe exchanging save files or secure data) outside of playing online with each other.

Or, on the other hand, maybe the newest revision will have a phone? That'd be an excellent use for Friend Codes.

 

[awssk8er]

They should better make better games and better consoles instead of wasting time on crappy and useless gimmicks like this.

The 3d may be a gimmick....MAY.....but theres no denying that the console itself is vastly superior to the DSi
Therefor 3DS = Not a gimmick......

The 3D is just a bonus.

I would get it regardless if it had 3D or not. I'm probably going to turn the 3D off after the first week to save battery.