Hardware 3DS hacking and flashcarts

[leeday100196]

f you heard me correctly i meant there will be enough security to keep hackers busy for a while, but they'll develop the next step in security after that so they'll have the hackers stumped even more. It happened with the DSi, but because that security system is now pretty primitive, it's not exactly the best example...but nintendo are slack and they'll want to suck hackers in then stump them.

And I'm saying that that's a terrible idea. They don't want to "suck" hackers in. They want to prevent it for as long as possible, because if YOU read what I wrote, I said that once a system gets hacked, there generally isn't much they can do anymore. Why would they risk the possibility of people exploiting their system? It just doesn't make sense.

true, but they know the hackers will be waiting for something so theyll give the hackers something. then theyll get a heads up on the hackers hopefully midway through their developments with a new firmware update and make them start afresh. if that works itll take the hackers even longer to hack the system, which we're all against in this debate. we WANT it hacked, so im just outlining Nintendo's POSSIBLE ideas in order for the hackers to be aware of what they MIGHT be up against. stupid, terrible ideas or not, that's Nintendo for ya. It WILL be hacked, Nintendo can't do anything about that, but they CAN delay it as long as possible using any means possible. Other than that I do see your point.

 

[nutella]

true, but they know the hackers will be waiting for something so theyll give the hackers something. then theyll get a heads up on the hackers hopefully midway through their developments with a new firmware update and make them start afresh. if that works itll take the hackers even longer to hack the system, which we're all against in this debate. we WANT it hacked, so im just outlining Nintendo's POSSIBLE ideas in order for the hackers to be aware of what they MIGHT be up against. stupid, terrible ideas or not, that's Nintendo for ya. It WILL be hacked, Nintendo can't do anything about that, but they CAN delay it as long as possible using any means possible. Other than that I do see your point.

So you're saying Nintendo is lazy? Perhaps even stupid? You can't use the DS as an example, as you are aware. This is the first time Nintendo can start fresh against piracy since it started becoming a real problem. It was never really necessary for Nintendo to put the strongest security on the DSi, since all that would mean is people would start buying DS Lites. There was already a widely spread method of pirating games on the DS console. Now they are starting with a whole new console, where there is no way of pirating their new games. You don't need to tell "hackers" (I hate that word) what they are up against. No offense, but anybody who can exploit a console is more experienced than anyone else here on GBAtemp. Are you really that naive to assume Nintendo is going to take the easy way out?

I'll tell you what. If the 3DS is "hacked" to be able to play pirated games with a practical method in the first two years, I will gladly put my foot in my mouth and stay quiet.

 

[leeday100196]

true, but they know the hackers will be waiting for something so theyll give the hackers something. then theyll get a heads up on the hackers hopefully midway through their developments with a new firmware update and make them start afresh. if that works itll take the hackers even longer to hack the system, which we're all against in this debate. we WANT it hacked, so im just outlining Nintendo's POSSIBLE ideas in order for the hackers to be aware of what they MIGHT be up against. stupid, terrible ideas or not, that's Nintendo for ya. It WILL be hacked, Nintendo can't do anything about that, but they CAN delay it as long as possible using any means possible. Other than that I do see your point.

So you're saying Nintendo is lazy? Perhaps even stupid? You can't use the DS as an example, as you are aware. This is the first time Nintendo can start fresh against piracy since it started becoming a real problem. It was never really necessary for Nintendo to put the strongest security on the DSi, since all that would mean is people would start buying DS Lites. There was already a widely spread method of pirating games on the DS console. Now they are starting with a whole new console, where there is no way of pirating their new games. You don't need to tell "hackers" (I hate that word) what they are up against. No offense, but anybody who can exploit a console is more experienced than anyone else here on GBAtemp. Are you really that naive to assume Nintendo is going to take the easy way out?

I'll tell you what. If the 3DS is "hacked" to be able to play pirated games with a practical method in the first two years, I will gladly put my foot in my mouth and stay quiet.

You're right there, i have to admit. Nintendo would not take the easy way out, they would make it a challenge for the hackers. I was wrong to argue and we're on common ground here, we both want the 3DS hacked. I was just feeling argumentative.
here's an old saying to do with another idea that I had: if you can't beat them, join them. Nintendo might not be able to BEAT the flashcarts/hackers/whatever you want to call them, but if they dont want to beat them they can join them, by creating their own flashcart that will automatically bypass the system and do an iTunes-style web where people can download games LEGALLY by buying them, once again iTunes-style. As to go with this, I know it sounds crazy as barely anyone actually buys from iTunes, but at least it's a way that Nintendo can gain an edge over the other hackers. Don't jump down my throat peoples for my idea, as it's just an idea.

 

[Vigilante]

Then if you do not want those flashcart blocking updates then just do not go to a place with wifi with the 3ds

 

[leeday100196]

Then if you do not want those flashcart blocking updates then just do not go to a place with wifi with the 3ds

whether or not you have wifi enabled, and whether your wireless communications are on or not, it will be updated automatically by running certain games on it, that will have the update pre-programmed on it to run as soon as the game/s start/s up.

 

[leeday100196]

anyone got any ideas for homebrew/apps they like?

 

[pachura]

anyone got any ideas for homebrew/apps they like?

http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=256859

 

[zar713]

probbaly a "angry birds" maybe you said apps. but probabbly since we have a better system maybe a better non-2-d version of super smash bros. , the other homwbrew is good but there's jump ultimate sars if i wanna play 2-d

 

[Arithmatics]

Then if you do not want those flashcart blocking updates then just do not go to a place with wifi with the 3ds

whether or not you have wifi enabled, and whether your wireless communications are on or not, it will be updated automatically by running certain games on it, that will have the update pre-programmed on it to run as soon as the game/s start/s up.

I'm worried about this. Imagine every 3DS cart released will ALWAYS have the latest firmware on it. + self updates....

Even if you become a hermit and stay away from wifi areas. Whats the point of the system if you have say 1 game and no wifi?

 

[Zerox8610]

I'm thinking they're gonna do what Sony did with the PSP, having a more up to date Update on each game, the requires updating to before play. But PSP got around this pretty quick, and eventually all together.

I'm thinking with the attention 3DS is getting, AND that its a NINTENDO product, it'll be hacked within the first 2 months. Whether that goes public or not..... eh.

Custom firmware would be great tho, I hated buying flashcarts on DS just to "Hack" it

Being able to plug in an SD/MicroSD/Whatever and play games straight from it would be perfect. Just like the PSP had it set up for back when Dark Alex and the GEN team were still around

 

[RNorthex]

I'm thinking they're gonna do what Sony did with the PSP, having a more up to date Update on each game, the requires updating to before play. But PSP got around this pretty quick, and eventually all together.

exactly, some nintendo dude told that it'll be "psp"-like protection

update automatically? dun think so: checked the 3ds? there's no wireless led, instead, wireless switch=turn off, no updates for u
there is simply no way the 3ds will demand updates, nintendo may do a few things to make you update[just like they did with the shop channel and protecting the wii disc channel with an updater] but you will always be able to play your games w/o the need of update
if not, either nintendo is really clever or really stupid and fail the system

also, sd card slot and bundled with +2gb sd card?
dude, thats like the 3ds says on start-up screen=please, hack me

if anything, the least input, the better the protection is

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

I'm thinking they're gonna do what Sony did with the PSP, having a more up to date Update on each game, the requires updating to before play. But PSP got around this pretty quick, and eventually all together.

exactly, some nintendo dude told that it'll be "psp"-like protection

update automatically? dun think so: checked the 3ds? there's no wireless led, instead, wireless switch=turn off, no updates for u
there is simply no way the 3ds will demand updates, nintendo may do a few things to make you update[just like they did with the shop channel and protecting the wii disc channel with an updater] but you will always be able to play your games w/o the need of update
if not, either nintendo is really clever or really stupid and fail the system

also, sd card slot and bundled with +2gb sd card?
dude, thats like the 3ds says on start-up screen=please, hack me

if anything, the least input, the better the protection is

not if the 3DS games itself have updates on them.

like how the Wii had on-disk updates (for the peons with no internet connection)...which can be easily bypassed!

 

[RNorthex]

never had my wii updated, ever
hell, i don't even use custom ios
i had a really-really old, extremely cheap mod-chip i've put in to override

neogamma cries me rivers about lex-luthor-wrong-alike ios-es, but i've run every single game easily so far
even fatal frame 4 with the english translationxD

so, there are just toooo many ways to hack the wii
lots of flashcarts for the ds

if the cards will have updates in themselves, there will be a bypass required, sure, but at least it's possible to do so

there's the now getting famous "stay-online" protection
you can only play the game if you're online, problem is, this protection couldn't last for 2weeks
it's either private servers to receive the data, leeched files, localhost-conf.
there's always a way

the only thing that couldn't be really hacked i guess would be mmorpgs and such online games
the official servers seems to be always better and for community, there's no hack
but i'm hardly going to believe that nintendo will ever work on an mmorpg for any of it's consoles

and even if sy would release a console that had no inputs for data, only network, that could be solved as well and it's the hardest protection i can think of

 

[leeday100196]

Then if you do not want those flashcart blocking updates then just do not go to a place with wifi with the 3ds

whether or not you have wifi enabled, and whether your wireless communications are on or not, it will be updated automatically by running certain games on it, that will have the update pre-programmed on it to run as soon as the game/s start/s up.

I'm worried about this. Imagine every 3DS cart released will ALWAYS have the latest firmware on it. + self updates....

Even if you become a hermit and stay away from wifi areas. Whats the point of the system if you have say 1 game and no wifi?

DING! here's a quick thought: maybe the update is on the CARD itself and isn't part of the games... THEN we have no problem dealing with updates since a)if it's not part of the game, its not part of the ROM, therefore the flashcart won't have a problem and b)we can disable WiFi to shut it off completely. HAHA I have our solution!

 

[leeday100196]

I'm thinking they're gonna do what Sony did with the PSP, having a more up to date Update on each game, the requires updating to before play. But PSP got around this pretty quick, and eventually all together.

exactly, some nintendo dude told that it'll be "psp"-like protection

update automatically? dun think so: checked the 3ds? there's no wireless led, instead, wireless switch=turn off, no updates for u
there is simply no way the 3ds will demand updates, nintendo may do a few things to make you update[just like they did with the shop channel and protecting the wii disc channel with an updater] but you will always be able to play your games w/o the need of update
if not, either nintendo is really clever or really stupid and fail the system

also, sd card slot and bundled with +2gb sd card?
dude, thats like the 3ds says on start-up screen=please, hack me

if anything, the least input, the better the protection is

not if the 3DS games itself have updates on them.

like how the Wii had on-disk updates (for the peons with no internet connection)...which can be easily bypassed!

like i said: the update will (probably) be a part of the CARD, not the GAME/ROM when you put it in, if its played as a ROM from the flashcart it should have no trouble playing if its convinced the firmware is the most up-to-date...

 

[chris888222]

I'm thinking they're gonna do what Sony did with the PSP, having a more up to date Update on each game, the requires updating to before play. But PSP got around this pretty quick, and eventually all together.

exactly, some nintendo dude told that it'll be "psp"-like protection

update automatically? dun think so: checked the 3ds? there's no wireless led, instead, wireless switch=turn off, no updates for u
there is simply no way the 3ds will demand updates, nintendo may do a few things to make you update[just like they did with the shop channel and protecting the wii disc channel with an updater] but you will always be able to play your games w/o the need of update
if not, either nintendo is really clever or really stupid and fail the system

also, sd card slot and bundled with +2gb sd card?
dude, thats like the 3ds says on start-up screen=please, hack me

if anything, the least input, the better the protection is

not if the 3DS games itself have updates on them.

like how the Wii had on-disk updates (for the peons with no internet connection)...which can be easily bypassed!

like i said: the update will (probably) be a part of the CARD, not the GAME/ROM when you put it in, if its played as a ROM from the flashcart it should have no trouble playing if its convinced the firmware is the most up-to-date...

Part of the card?? How?

 

[Nepeta]

DSTHREE plez? (DSTWO for 3DS

) and I'll be happy. Unfortunately, though, piracy would suck on this thing(8GB CARTS? If I can't plug in my 2TB external there's no way..) so I think I'll stay away (or at least try to) just this once.

 

[leeday100196]

DSTHREE plez? (DSTWO for 3DS

) and I'll be happy. Unfortunately, though, piracy would suck on this thing(8GB CARTS? If I can't plug in my 2TB external there's no way..) so I think I'll stay away (or at least try to) just this once.

Think of the higher-capacity cards (ie: 64GB and 128GB) if you want the 3DS games. Within the first 2 or 3 games that you download, you've earnt back what you invested in. They only cost about $122 maximum...

 

[leeday100196]

I'm thinking they're gonna do what Sony did with the PSP, having a more up to date Update on each game, the requires updating to before play. But PSP got around this pretty quick, and eventually all together.

exactly, some nintendo dude told that it'll be "psp"-like protection

update automatically? dun think so: checked the 3ds? there's no wireless led, instead, wireless switch=turn off, no updates for u
there is simply no way the 3ds will demand updates, nintendo may do a few things to make you update[just like they did with the shop channel and protecting the wii disc channel with an updater] but you will always be able to play your games w/o the need of update
if not, either nintendo is really clever or really stupid and fail the system

also, sd card slot and bundled with +2gb sd card?
dude, thats like the 3ds says on start-up screen=please, hack me

if anything, the least input, the better the protection is

not if the 3DS games itself have updates on them.

like how the Wii had on-disk updates (for the peons with no internet connection)...which can be easily bypassed!

like i said: the update will (probably) be a part of the CARD, not the GAME/ROM when you put it in, if its played as a ROM from the flashcart it should have no trouble playing if its convinced the firmware is the most up-to-date...

Part of the card?? How?

think of the Playstation 3 discs. they are built in so they only update on each system once. It's a concept like that that were after if the hacking community want to make any progress. If the DISC of each PS3 game has the update on it, then maybe the CARD going into the 3DS has the update, rather than the ROM (read-only memory), that way if you use a flashcart, the update isn't initiated as it's not a part of the file. it might cause a few problems and crash a few times, but itll be worked out by the end. also maybe if it's part of the FILE, then the hackers can crack open the file and remove the update data, thus negating the problem all together.

 

[chris888222]

That... sounds... complicated.