That's a separate issue from whether or not someone has a legal right to abortion. That would have nothing to do with law or politics.
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Roe V Wade has been repealed
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And yet there's people out there that would want to abort a 9 month pregnancy, that baby is a newborn so is in the exact developmnet phase of it's life.
This is one of the reasons that this case went to the supreme court and was kicked back to the individual states. You asked for an inch and took a mile, and people got sick of all the take, take, take.
Also there's no point in using fringe type cases to justify abortion. Most people that have abortions aren't ten and haven't been raped, they are generally promiscous girls and women that couldn't keep their legs closed and are looking for an easy way out.
I'm at least equally cute, but I don't think you want the state to be able to violate your bodily autonomy to save my life.And by that you mean the right to live for some small human - some human too small and innocent to defend themselves.
As far as I'm concerned a doctor should do their best to separate their job and their feelings. Caring is one thing, judgement is another.
Is euthanasia healthcare? Certainly. However that borders a conversation for another thread. For the sake of this topic, euthanasia can be used in situations like cancer. Once you've hit the end of your rope, euthanasia helps ease the patient into the beyond with very little to no pain, and no lasting impression of the world to remind them that reality is ceasing to exist. And yes, I support euthanasia as well.
The burden of proof, if you're referring to my opinion, is inconsequential as you can't "prove" an opinion. You can define it and give reasoning for why it exists, but you can't "prove" an opinion the way you can statistics.
I apologize if I read that last quote incorrectly.
Most abortions aren't carried out the save the mothers lives - most are carried out because someone didn't use protection and opened their legs for a bit of nooky.
Abortion laws will very from state to state, if you need to save your life - get on a bus/trian/plane/car and go to a state where abortion will be legal - if you can't afford to do that, buy condoms, if you can't afford them - don't have sex.
One thing's for sure, with all the news coverage, no man or women in the country will be able to say they didn't know the consequences of unprotected sex.
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Maybe there are, but those people are also an exception. Blanket laws shouldn't be used in either instance, as the majority of women getting abortions are doing it for morally positive reasons, such as rape, birth defects, ectopic pregnancy and related issues, religious reasons, quality of life reasons, so on and so forth. I myself don't necessarily agree with the idea of a woman getting pregnant and wantonly getting an abortion like it's nothing, but from what I've seen those cases are few and far in between, always happen during the first trimester, and absolutely are none of my business because it's not my kids being aborted nor my body. Banning abortions nationwide because a few are for shitty reasons is equitable to banning guns because of a few mass shootings.
Nobody asked for an inch, they asked for bodily autonomy, an umbrella under which abortion rights were protected. The problem with repealing an act that protected bodily autonomy is that it sets a precedent for future rulings along the same lines. For example, in the bible it is stated that "...the seed of man is better spent in the belly of a whore than upon the ground" (paraphrased). Should you get one of these holy evangelical politicians to sign off on illegalizing masturbation because sperm holds the potential for life, what then? You now have another bodily autonomy issue, this time against men. Would you be ok when scenarios like that arise?
Except, you can use fringe cases, because they defy blanket laws. If abortions were outlawed nationwide, how would you in particular feel about this ten year old in particular being forced to give birth? In what eye, religious or other, would that be justifiable? And your argument can't be to lock up the perpetrator, as the same argument is used to justify anti gun bans; criminals are just going to keep doing it anyway.
My life wasn't analogous to the mother's life. It was analogous to the fetus's life. Please tell me while the fetus is worth saving but I am not.
Not everything is about you and laws aren't passed for each individual that exists as well you know, they are rules for society to follow and if you want to live in that society and be a productive member of it you are expected to follow those laws. If you find these laws are not to your liking - well you live in the land of the free so are free to move to a state where you will be happy. You don't even have to move, you can just get on a train and go out of state for a day or two.My life wasn't analogous to the mother's life. It was analogous to the fetus's life. Please tell me while the fetus is worth saving but I am not.
There's no exuses now, people are aware of the consequences of getting pregnant and the laws of their own state, deal with it because it's now a thing.
They are dealing with it. Biden has already agreed to filibuster in order to codify Roe v Wade into law. The bigger question is, if and when it becomes law again, will your advice still be applicable? Will you move to another state, or in this case, country? Will you just "deal with it"? Or will you fight, in your own way, to have it stopped again?
You seem to be under this mentality that America was founded upon anything other than rebellion. Rioting. Protests. To tell someone to just deal with it is to be inherently in American.
I don't speculate on hypotheticals - the law is how it is now, if it changes again then I will comment on it.
I'm asking why you think a woman's bodily autonomy doesn't matter when she's pregnant, but your bodily autonomy does matter when I need a kidney, for example. Seems wholly inconsistent to me.
You didn't respond to my question. Why do you think the state can ban abortion, but it can't mandate kidney donations?
That's fair, but not all of my question was based on hypothetical. My main question was on whether or not you would have the same mindset should the roles be reversed. That's not a hypothetical as it was the standard until a week ago. Or better yet, let me ask you this then:
What was your reasoning for staying in this country (if you're American) before the overturn? Were you dealing with it then or were you fighting for change? If your position differs depending on the situation at hand, does that not reek of hypocrisy to you? Or at least a hollow opinion?
I thought your waffling about mandatory human organ trafficking was pathetic and a distraction from the topic, not worthy of a reply. It's nothing to do with letting states make their own abortion laws, maybe in your head it's the same thing, but for any sane person it's not.
I'll make it clear for you then.
A state makes a law that violates people's bodily autonomy rights in the name of saving lives.
Am I describing anti-abortion laws, or am I describing mandated kidney donations? If you don't know which one I'm describing, then you have to either accept both or accept neither.
It seems since you continue to refuse to answer the part of my question that wasn't hypothetical, that you're probably embarrassed by what your answer would be. Sounds like someone's a little hypocritical in their belief system. What a shame.
Seems like someone's run out of things to say besides "It's illegal now, deal with it!"
What a shame. Here I thought he was actually going to have something of interest to say. Trolls be trollin.
Is there any states in the USA or the world mandating forced kidney/organ donations/removals? No, don't be an idiot.
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