Usenet Question

godreborn · Jul 22, 2021

does anyone know of a usenet provider that doesn't comply with dmca takedown requests? I don't know if one exists, but a lot of popular things seem to have "articles not found," which I assume is due to a dmca takedown request, when it checks if the whole file is there, so it downloads nothing. older stuff isn't much of a problem. nothing is outside of my retention (using astraweb currently). it seems useless to continue with usenet if this is happening a lot.

Tom Bombadildo · Jul 23, 2021

Back when I used Usenet, this was one of the better providers:

https://www.newsgroup.ninja/en

Never had any issues with DMCA or anything like that, always had access to everything newsgroup related without issue. But something to keep in mind, there simply is no DMCA-less provider so you'll always hit stumbling blocks like that. At worst, you can simply use torrents and a VPN on stuff you can't find on Usenet, which shouldn't be much at all for most good ones.

Frugal is also good, as is Eweka.

Dust2dust · Jul 23, 2021

Very obvious names (like the full scene release name, or the official scene release filenames) are much more likely to get taken down. Some software companies monitor what's on usenet pretty closely. I remember downloading the whole collection of Gamecube games off usenet a few years ago, and pretty much all EA games were not available. That's why some sites obfuscate the filenames. They look like gibberish names, but are actually scene releases. You just need to know what is what (you need to be a member of a site for that, usually).

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

I thought the news articles themselves would be dmca'd, then the provider would comply with it, rather than the site's file names? I'm assuming that the article not found is from a dmca takedown. I know news apps used to download even things with dmca takedowns, but it would fail with a few articles missing. I think this was done deliberately. now, they seem to check if it's complete before it even downloads. my only choice might be to create an rss feed for new items. mine in sabnzbd is set at 15 minutes, so it will scan the rss feed every 15 minutes. that should grab the stuff before it can be dmca'd. however, I have limited space and I have a data limit. I'm not sure what I'd make one for, and I really don't want it to download the same episode multiple times.

I have a specific site for movies and tv, which is a private tracker for torrents, but it requires a ratio. I haven't been able to upload much for a very long time, because almost everything has several seeds and no peers over the span of months. it's very odd to say the least. I used to be able to upload a lot, but it's almost impossible now. the only thing I can do is donate to the site in order to boost my ratio. as for games, I can get those from file hosts. it's just more convenient to use usenet, which I've used to get episodes that were missing from torrents. one of the tv shows that has the articles missing is star trek discovery. the stuff is about two months old, so I guess that's enough time to do a dmca takedown.

zer01717 · Jul 23, 2021

Depending on what your downloading have you tried using any of the automation applications inconjunction with usenet (ie: Sonarr, Radarr, Lidarr, Prowlarr)? Currently I am using Newsgroup Ninja which I believe is part of the Highwinds backbone. I generally only have issues downloading shows if they are a popular series and I add them to sonarr after the season has aired. It is recommended in such cases that you purchase a block account with a provider on a different backbone to fulfill any missing blocks. My experience hasn't been to bad to warrant a block account say with Giga or Farm. I'm not sure how up-to-date the image below is, but it should give a general indication on what you should pair if you were to go the addtional block account route.

Usenet Map

I would ultimately advise checking out Sonarr/Radarr any of the "Arr" applications. Their pretty much "set and forget" and that way you don't have to bother searching (for the most part). NzbHydra2 is also another great resource if you have many indexers.

Plstic · Jul 23, 2021

I've hear eweka is pretty good. I've been having issues with newsdemon completing anything thats older than 100 days so don't bother with them.

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

I just tried eweka about an hour ago, since it has a 7-day trial, and it had the same problem. the entire series of articles has been taken down. I just installed sonarr and set it up with sabnzbd and one of my nzb indexers. I got success with both the indexer and sab. will this automatically download new episodes or must I click on the scan button to download stuff? how often does it it check, and is it likely to grab this stuff before it's taken down? seasons 1-3 of star trek discovery has been taken down.

Plstic · Jul 23, 2021

godreborn said:
I just tried eweka about an hour ago, since it has a 7-day trial, and it had the same problem. the entire series of articles has been taken down. I just installed sonarr and set it up with sabnzbd and one of my nzb indexers. I got success with both the indexer and sab. will this automatically download new episodes or must I click on the scan button to download stuff? how often does it it check, and is it likely to grab this stuff before it's taken down? seasons 1-3 of star trek discovery has been taken down.

Yeah with automation it snatches it before the DMCA. It also depends on your indexer too. I've had the best luck with OMGWTFNZBS

rmorris003 · Jul 23, 2021

I was with Astraweb and gave up usenet because of the DMCA, better off just using websites that offer free links

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

I encountered a strange bug with sabnzbd. for some reason, it will not load at startup even though it's setup to do that. I did some research, and many others have the same problem due to an update with windows 10. I was unable to figure out how to fix it. I tried a bat file that someone mentioned, but that didn't work either. looks like I'll have to remember to open it manually at every startup. sonarr loads up automatically like it's supposed to, but then it errors because sabnzbd is not opening at startup.

zer01717 · Jul 23, 2021

That is strange. You could try switching to NZBGet. While it may not be as user friendly and easy to setup as SAB, it uses less resources and is written in C++ as opposed to python (SAB). I initially used SABNzbd when I first started using usenet. I had everything setup on my desktop but did not like leaving it on 24/7 to fetch things. So I switched to using a pi. I've had all of my web-servers running on a raspberry pi v4 and rarely has any hiccups.

Oh and to clarify with Sonarr/Radarr once you add a series or movie it will monitor and fetch them when they become available (I think I have mine set to scan every hour). You are also able to use the auto-search (magnify glass) and manual search (person icon) functions.

What indexers are you using and do you have unlimited API access with any? I definitely recommend checking out NZBHydra2. it is a search aggregate webserver that combines your indexer API's so you can query all of them. it also can be linked with Sonarr/Radarr...etc to show which indexers yield the best

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

alright, I ditched sabnzbd. I'm now using nzbget and nzbhydra2. I put their shortcuts in the startup folder, and now both start as the system boots up. sabnzbd was in there, but there seems to be a bug with it to where it doesn't start at bootup, which is why I ditched it.

I have tied nzbhydra2 to sonarr and nzbgeek and nzbplanet. I have lifetime access on both (paid for it), and I can now search both sites from nzbhydra2. thanks for that information @zer01717 .

zer01717 · Jul 23, 2021

Awesome! Yeah, It took me awhile to get a handle on usenet and its nuances. Another tip I would suggest is make sure you have configured any regional usenet server connections accordingly on nzbget. For example with newsgroup ninja they have US, Netherlands and Germany servers. I have my 50 connections spread between them set to 30, 10 and 10 respectively.

One more thing I would recommend checking out if you haven't already is a media server like Plex/Emby/Jellyfin.

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

Yeah, I'm using the us, ssl server with Astraweb. I set it up that way. Think it's ssl-us.astraweb. I've unplugged my computer for Dell to replace some parts, so that's off the top of my head.

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I've been using usenet off and on for about 12 years, started on nzb matrix. I added some games to usenet with yenc power post all those years ago.

zer01717 · Jul 23, 2021

So you've been using it longer then me! Thats cool! I've never posted anything (come to think of it I don't think I even know how

).

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

I don't know if yenc is the best app these days. You could set percentage with the par files, so higher percentage, the more par files and the longer it takes to upload. I also think I used a fake email. One game I remember adding was dragon quest 5 on the ps2 with English patch already applied. I mostly just filled some requests on nzb matrix.

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

I'm assuming that sonarr automatically makes rss feeds based on the api key of the site (to identify who you are) and the shows you've enabled (just added star trek picard)? I think either nzb planet or nzb geek has an rss feed thing that you can use. I know nzb matrix had a separate site just for creating an rss feed and sabnzbd had a way to add or remove certain search parameters when scanning an rss feed. I guess that's how sonarr is going to download the shows automatically? I have mine set to every 15 minutes, which in the past, with other things similar to this, is the lowest it can be set. I'll probably keep it like that to grab the shows as quickly as possible.

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btw, I also set it not to download the same episode twice. that was a problem with previous rss feeds I made on nzb matrix. you'd have every version of an episode download whether you wanted it or not. I have the renaming process set up the way I do with tv rename (without the quality being in the name, so I deleted that portion).

godreborn · Jul 23, 2021

something strange. sonarr no longer seems to have "delete duplicate episodes" or whatever it's called under media management, I believe. I don't know what happened to that option.

godreborn · Aug 10, 2021

welp, it looks like it worked, and I didn't even realize it 'til just now:

sonarr downloaded some episodes of season 2 (which I already have in my nvidia shield folder), and now I think it may have downloaded all of season 3. I put them in the same folder I was putting sabnzbd stuff, so it's called sabnzbd/complete . I do the same with qbitorrent (still using the utorrent folder). I actually thought I had missed out on this season except for torrents. the only thing I wish is that the downloads had been ones that show a still image from each of the episodes like season 2 and every other nvidia shield tv show.

godreborn · Aug 30, 2021

something kinda weird is that I just recently got a new pc, and nzbhydra2 would not run while in program files (it does on the older pc, but at first it wouldn't for some reason. it just suddenly worked after a bit). on the new pc, nzbhydra2 does work from just the root of the C drive though, tested, put shortcut in the shell:startup section, and I tested that (it opens at startup just like I wanted). anyway, this is similar to the ps4makefself or backporting scripts, which would not work in program files either, so I had to put them on the root of C.

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