Nintendo leaks continue, this time featuring N64 development repositories and source codes

MeAndHax · Jul 28, 2020

Nintendo now be like:

"tHiS is My PrOpErtY"
"SToP plEasE oR i wiLL sUe"

TheZander · Jul 28, 2020

I cant wait for the GameCube leaks to find out sonic and tails were in smash the whole time as ice climber clones. And that i didn't waste a decent portion of time on cruel mode melee.

DinohScene · Jul 28, 2020

Let's all stay on topic this time.
K ty.

Sundree · Jul 28, 2020

It's been quite the slow year for game news, but I'm loving these leaks. I just wish the other leaked games were more documented, like F-Zero X. To early to say though.

m4xw · Jul 28, 2020

Silent_Gunner said:
My question is, could a programmer do the equivalent of the above with the code for their emulator with access to the source code and be safe, legally?

No serious dev would touch that (or even look at filenames!), even with gloves.
Every single thing derived from it would be considered tainted and fall under copyright.
In you example you could translate it to chinese and reverse every glyph and it would still be copyright.
However if you write your own code and the output equals the same as the copyrighted variant (matching decomps), the lines blur since no proper legal precedent exists.
Tho, if you want to be legally picky, if you reverse engineer something, you can't be the same person that writes the actual code (proper clean room RE).
But since all these scenes are powered by hobbyists primarily, you can guess nobody does that, despite many claiming.

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee · Jul 28, 2020

m4xw said:
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Wheres your law college degree from?

atypicalchaos · Jul 28, 2020

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee said:
Wheres your law college degree from?

Do you not know the emulator prince?

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee · Jul 28, 2020

atypicalchaos said:
Do you not know the emulator prince?

No.

atypicalchaos · Jul 28, 2020

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee said:
No.

All joking aside M4 is a very well known switch dev in these parts. I assume his comment originated from his own personal insights as someone who writes software...

Silent_Gunner · Jul 28, 2020

atypicalchaos said:
All joking aside M4 is a very well known switch dev in these parts. I assume his comment originated from his own personal insights as someone who writes software...in particular ...emulators

I was asking him if one could just look at the source code, be like, "how could I copy what this is doing without risking my ass from getting destroyed by Von Karma with no Phoenix Wright to protect me!?" It was more of a question out of curiosity since I had heard from others that even looking at the source code would be in violation of the law.

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee · Jul 28, 2020

atypicalchaos said:
All joking aside M4 is a very well known switch dev in these parts. I assume his comment originated from his own personal insights as someone who writes software...in particular ...emulators

But where is her law college degree from.

Kioku · Jul 28, 2020

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee said:
But where is her law college degree from.

...and this is just the dumbest question you could ask...

Any whiff of these leaks being used, even toward legal code can and will land someone in hot water.

atypicalchaos · Jul 28, 2020

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee said:
But where is her law college degree from.

Oh you....

Anyway. . I wonder if these giga leaks are related to the IQue leak..

Silent_Gunner · Jul 28, 2020

Memoir said:
...and this is just the dumbest question you could ask...

She was saying that all of the SMT games should be banned from coming over here the other day. Some things are in need of repeating here...

To @Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee:

FAST6191 · Jul 28, 2020

Silent_Gunner said:
I mean, outside of copying the raw code itself, what if devs simply used the code to essentially do the same function, but it's written differently? Would that get them in trouble?

Or is this nothing like laws concerning plagiarism when it comes to computer language?

There are limited ways to sensibly accomplish a goal in programming. To that end coincidence is quite allowed where in other things like books, film/play scripts, music lyrics, paintings and what have you then first to publish is usually in a stronger position.

The trouble with rewriting in your own words as it were is that if the original devs include an error in their code/documentation*, an unoptimised and non obvious way of doing things or some other tell that you in turn have an obvious tell that you have copied stuff and then it all gets fun for you and anything you have worked on using it (one of the reasons why the dolphin devs are so cautious about it/ban happy towards would be contributors that offer). You can comb through it all, understand what is there and what is false by comparing to other documents and observed practices and get rid of it (assuming it even exists, which you kind of have to) but at that point you might as well have just gone from scratch, read open documents (most consoles are just an arrangement of off the shelf chips after all) and poked it with your oscilloscope or something.

*map makers have done it for centuries (false names - see Agloe, spot the hidden elephant and plenty more besides), there are some fairly interesting cases with regards to phone books here that inform a lot of what is to come and more recently lyrics on google searches

PhyChris · Jul 28, 2020

sup, 'tape backup' are we talking VHS video or data? there is a rumor that another N64 related leak will drop wednesday, any word?

Schnida · Jul 28, 2020

Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee said:
But where is her law college degree from.

People who work as programmers tend to know a lot more about copyright law than your average Joe with a law degree.

Silent_Gunner · Jul 28, 2020

PhyChris said:
sup, 'tape backup' are we talking VHS video or data? Rumor is another N64 related leak today, any word?

From where!? If this is the third one in a week...

PhyChris · Jul 28, 2020

Silent_Gunner said:
From where!? If this is the third one in a week...

I worded that wrong, (heard there will be another n64 related leak dropped wednesday) anyone hear anything?

PizzaBitez · Jul 28, 2020

this is crazy.

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