Homebrew Could the Wii Brick when installing sneek/neek2o?

godreborn · Apr 4, 2020

alexander1970 said:
I think I finally should also try this "Sneek" Thing.
Then you can maybe help me.

you should. I installed neek2o with some help from @Cyan on the wii u. I have it being used for only two games: valis 2 and vania rebirth adventure. I don't remember what vania does, but without sneek/neek2o, valis 2 freezes on the opening. it's kinda confusing to get everything set up, but it makes sense once you do it.

Cyan · Apr 4, 2020

Portable said:
I could try redownload the specific file with NUS downloader and delete the right file of priiloader and rename the wii menu to the original name.

You don't need to redownload the specific file with NUSD, unless.... you edited your real NAND instead of the SD card NAND dump?
you need to delete the priiloader from the dump, not from NAND.

Priiloader is renaming the system menu .app (by renaming "0" to "1" on the first letter), and install itself with the original name of the system menu.
when the console loads the system menu, it's actually priiloader which is loaded (silently, unless you press reset), which then loads the renamed file sysmenu.
so, what you want is to keep priiloader on NAND (for brick protection), but delete it from your dump (not really needed on neek.... but shouldn't be an issue, is it?)

You should maybe just make a new NAND dump ?
or you can use NUSD to get the app without packing to wad
or you can just get the app from your NAND (with wiixplorer? or FTPii)
Personally I would just to a new full NAND dump, because I don't know what happened while you waited 50 min...

Portable said:
I installed sneek with disc. Is it normal that it take so long to boot? I'm now waiting 50 minutes.

"with disc" you mean you enabled the "+di" option ?
Please, don't !
at least not on first boot.

DI (disc interface emulation/redirection) requires at least one extracted disc to be present on your SD card, or neek will not boot.

So, again, I would :
1. remove (or temporarily rename) di.bin from sneek folder
2. make a new NAND dump, on SD preferably due to lot of HDD setup restrictions.
I guess you'd prefer uneek (to put your wbfs on usb), but try sneek first! then try usb, then try +di !
3. delete priiloader from NAND dump, if you want (unsure if it's a problem, I don't have it installed on my Wii)
4. run neek sysmenu without autobooting any game (if using neek2o) the first time to be sure everything works
then you can try with di, but you'll need an extracted disc in the /games/ folder
I think neek2o removed that requirement.

It's taking 5min to boot neek if you created a clean new incomplete NAND from modmii, generating missing files.
it's not taking 5mins if the EmuNAND already contains all the required files, is already setup, or is a full dump from your NAND.

godreborn said:
t's kinda confusing to get everything set up, but it makes sense once you do it.

The most confusing part is probably generating the neek's kernel.bin file, because it's based on an official IOS it can't be shared so you need to do it yourself.
but the way neek works is quite simple, it's just loading one file (that kernel.bin) and rebooting the console to redirect all NAND access to your full NAND copy on SD or USB.
the console doesn't even know it's redirected, so you use real IOS (not cIOS), no USBLoaders but the official Disc Channel instead.

ah, also it can be confusing that most guides are based on nswitch and bootmii method, which is hard to understand the boot procedure. both Sneek and Uneek are always booting from SD when using bootmii (bootmii is hardcoded to loads sd:/bootmii/armboot.bin), even when you need Uneek.
so you need to always (re)generate either sneek and uneek boot files, and respectively copy the proper version to SD or SD+USB.

But with USBGX it's a lot easier, you can have both at the same time and you don't need armboot.bin anymore. it's not using bootmii at all and directly loads the kernel in memory.
you generate sneek's kernel.bin, put it on sd:/sneek/
you generate uneek's kernel.bin, put it on usb:/sneek/
keep the di.bin for later if you want to load game disc instead of channels. if you need, just put that file in the folder.

1. full NAND dump
2. sd:/sneek/kernel.bin and/or usb:/sneek/kernel.bin
3. loads Neek sysmenu (usbgx select the path to kernel based on location of your emuNAND folder, SD or USB)
4. reset/shutdown to exit neek.

if you use neek2o, you can even autoboot channels, and auto-exit neek on game exit and return to real NAND. if you have priiloader properly setup you can return directly to usbgx.
it only takes longer to boot/exit the game, but you should use neek only for problematic games, not as your main setup.

Portable · Apr 9, 2020

Okay i got sneek installed, but every time i try to launch the homebrew channel, the hackmii installer is starting and is stuck at this screen "This software must not be sold, neither alone nor as part of a bundle.
...
For further details see
http://hbc.hackmii.com/scam"
And I can't go further.

Cyan · Apr 10, 2020

you mean on Neek on or realNAND sysmenu ?

if on real NAND system menu :
did you ever used pimp my wii ? (very bad idea)
you probably have patched system files which shouldn't be patched.

the hackmii installer shouldn't start if you run HBL. it's HBL which is started.
hackmii installer is started only if you launch it yourself (from HBL) or from an exploit (disc, banner bomb, etc.)

do you have priiloader installed?

if on neek system menu:
DO NOT USE HBC OR HOMEBREW IN NEEK MODE !
this is not how you should use homebrew!
homebrew are for Real NAND only.

neek is specifically created to "trick" the console into looking "legit and not hacked", in order to use the console original IOS "without homebrew apps".
NO ACCESS TO HBL, no access to SD card or USB. that's normal!

Why would you need homebrew access on neek ?
what are you trying to launch when inside neek?
maybe you didn't understand how neek is or how to use it or why you really want it?
neek is not a "3DS or Switch emuNAND !" model were you do all the dirty things in and keep the console's original NAND clean. this is the contrary!
with neek you launch Disc from the disc channel (not usbloaders), and VC/Wiiware directly from the sysmenu.

If you want to install and play hundreds of channels, use the IOS mode emuNAND from realNAND USBLoaders or channel launchers.
Neek is particularly useful on very specific games not working on real NAND because of modified IOS, and using "official IOS" from untouched clean NAND in neek is the only way to play them.

I suspect you just want neek because of curiosity without understanding why or what it really does, you just heard about it and want it, or think it's the miracle solution and the final evolution step of hacking and piracy (like 3DS/switch). no, it's not.
We usually don't recommend using neek as main interface or final environment for all your daily hacking needs. real NAND is perfectly capable of that without having detection or online ban problem.

(yes, I know there is a way to install and launch hbc in neek, this is not the subject here. Homebrew should not be used while inside NEEK! there's no need of neek at all from homebrew and they can be used on real NAND. there's no purpose to be inside neek for any homebrew)

Portable · Apr 10, 2020

I started it on neek2o. I wanted to Test some Wii Menu Themes. And i never used Pimp my Wii. The only patched files on my real nand are d2x cIOS and priiloader. But i found a way to launch homebrew on Sneek. I just used ShowMiiWads to install a forwarder for Wiixplorer on my emulated nand. Wiixplorer can also launch the boot.dol files. But i could not get Mymenuify Mod get working on Sneek. After the first boot of Mymenuify Mod i forgot to copy over the modthemes Folder. And the other times wiixplorer got stuck while starting the boot.dol at 96 percent.

Cyan · Apr 10, 2020

for theming tests, then neek is perfect, you are right

sorry if I thought bad on my previous post, most users who want neek are doing it for games, not themes.

can't you edit the app file manually from the SD or usb?
the patcher is required from HBC to theme the sysmenu and can't be patched from your computer?

https://sites.google.com/site/completesg/how-to-use/sneek/custom-themes
if you have the csm (which is an .app file renamed to .csm), just replace it on your SD or USB NAND dump yourself

no homebrew involved, just a file replacement done on your computer.

it's what mymenuify is doing apparently, replacing the app with another one.

If you really really want to access homebrew on neek (not recommended), you need to enable an option when generating the kernel.bin of neek on your computer. something like "SD access", or else the full SD is only seen as "real NAND" by the console.
to have the SD act both as "real NAND" and "FAT32 SD card" you need that option, but it can create issues (apparently it can. I rarely tried).
You might only need to enable the SD access when creating the kernel.bin, or else only USB access is possible but it's good and shouldn't be a problem except for homebrew hardcoded to use SD card mount.

then to install HBC, you'll need to edit a file manually in hexeditor.
there should be guides to install hbc on neek.
edit:
https://sites.google.com/site/completesg/how-to-use/sneek/install-hbc
this guide involve extracting HBC ticket from a bootmii NAND dump.
I think there were other solution with editing the ticket yourself, maybe I misremember and it just involved extracting ticket from NAND with wiixploreror with NAND dump (no need of modmii dump!).
also you can use BluedumpMod to dump HBC as wad without fake signing anything instead of Wad creator, and the ticket would not be fakesigned, which "should" work when installed back to your dump without having to do the bootmii dump extract steps. I never tested that, it's just an idea.
I also didn't try to install the officially released open source HBC as wad. but I guess the ticket would be bad due to the way WAD manager/wad packers are doing their job?

but if HBC is installed on NAND before dumping your NAND, it should work as this is already using the proper ticket, not installed as wad. sorry, it's been a long time I did that, I probably forgot few things.

Portable · Apr 10, 2020

Thats what i don't understand. I used a guide and Made my Kernel.bin so that it used the sd as nand and sd card, but it uses my sd card just as nand. And i had the homebrew channel installed before dumping. But thank you i will try out to just replace the .app file from the System menu. Could this also work with wiixplorer in emulated nand?

Cyan said:
for theming tests, then neek is perfect, you are right
sorry if I thought bad on my previous post, most users who want neek are doing it for games, not themes.

I understand why you thought this of me. I didn't explain why I wanted to use sneek.

Cyan · Apr 10, 2020

if you can launch wiixplorer in neek, you could try (but you'll need both access to en external device, or wifi) and replace the file located on "internal NAND" as it appear as normal internal NAND when you are in neek.

otherwise, doing it while you are on real NAND is perfectly fine and easier yes.
run wiixplorer, replace the file located in sd:/nands/your nand dump subfolder if any/title/00000001/00000002/content/

then, run neek to check if it works.

Portable · Apr 10, 2020

Okay thank you. I will try this out later.

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