Hardware TV 4K Android problem runs only fat32

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So I bought yesterday a new 4k tv and found out that both of the usb on the TV's works only with Fat32 , and I can't copy Movies larger than 4 GB .
I tried installing Microsoft Paragon but keeps asking for a license , does anybody have a link for a full version of that program if it works .
Or any other program that can read exfat / ntfs files ??
 

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This Paragon?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.tcplugins_ntfs_ro&hl=en_US

Should work. Try it. (Havent used it in a long time though...)

The other way around any limitations would be to set up a NAS and kiss sneakernet goodbye. :)

Good devices to set up a NAS without buying a NAS.

Zidoo X9S, or Z9S (if you can get them cheap), have the benefit of also being a Media Player/capture card/Android box. (Is a frankensteined solution that runs both Android and DD-WRT at the same time. Is great, once you've got it working - but might be tinker intensive.)

Both Zidoo boxes can also be addressed with a Harmony Universal remote (IR), in case that is important. (Best Harmony, by far is "Harmony Companion" (the cheapest one) ;) ). But Navigation over IR will be slower than using a dedicated Bluetooth remote. (I recommend this model: https://aliexpress.com/item/4000465391058.html )

As a file manager on Android I like Total Commander btw. :)
(From the Paragon NTFS Play Store readme:
To work as Plugin for Total Commander file manager install it from Google Play and click the Open button on the Microsoft exFAT/NTFS for USB by Paragon Software main screen. It will open Total Commander with mounted volumes of the USB storage.
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On any TV connected Android device my recommendation for Video playback is, and will always be - Kodi, an nothing else. :) (But thats just on the player/playback side of things).


Asus RT-AC66U (Router) - which you can probably get very cheap - used. Set it up with DD-WRT, or Tomato (easier to learn), or... and it s good for 10MB/s write speeds and a little faster read speeds (will struggle with UHD content) on USB drives.

Or you go with any Synology Router, same deal - can be kept on stock firmware, far faster transfer speeds.

Or you go with a real NAS. ;)

(Or with a WD My Book NAS (not good, but maybe good enough... ;) ))

You have a few options, and probably even more than that - without relying on your TV. :) In general - its better to just use the TV as a 'dumb device' (even if it has Smarts in it), and outsource the 'Smart' to a box. (TVs usually are abandoned by their manufacturers 1.5 years after release, and there usually also isnt much of a scene around them, that would help you maintain them)

NAS is a harddrive attached to your network, thats shared to other devices usually via smb (also via ftp) in todays ecosystem almost all connected devices with a video playback 'angle' support playback from a NAS.

Almost every 'smart' device that ist just rasp pi (usb lanes bandwidth limited) these days will also give you the benefit to allow you setting up a harddrive as NAS storage. So which one you pick - often is decided by which other capability you would want as well - and if you need UHD playback, or video transcoding (in general - today you dont need video transcoding. Every cheapo smartphone and Android TV stick can run hardware acellerated 1080p in all formats (f.e. using Kodi), presuming its not an Apple Smart(as in dumb) device. So do you want a router with it. Or a media player. Or nothing, and just pay a dedicated NAS manufacturer a 'premium' for almost nothing (dedicated NASes are faster - and something you should look at - if you are interested in 4K UHD playback. But then the Zidoo boxes do that as well (at least at 24p (hz)) - so lets say, for the most part.

If you are dealing with 4K UHD Bluray isos, go with a dedicated NAS. ;)

Thats the basic rundown. ;)
 
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I would highly recommend keeping your media on a computer or NAS, and using something like Plex, Jellyfin, or Kodi on the TV to play your media.

If you have to absolutely use a USB device, you can probably re-encode the media file using H.265 to make it smaller than 4GB.
 

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I would highly recommend keeping your media on a computer or NAS, and using something like Plex, Jellyfin, or Kodi on the TV to play your media.

If you have to absolutely use a USB device, you can probably re-encode the media file using H.265 to make it smaller than 4GB.
yeah gl encoding 4k/ hdr.

I do agree hosting your media via network, im currently doing the most basic host as my netgear R7000 supports FTP and Samba with no network difficulties which is plenty for all media content


but yeah paragon works fine and android should support usb exfat by default

getting a cracked version is a pain and your better off just buying it "better in longrun"

one of the few paid apps i actually bought also there isnt an alternative for it for ntfs that actually works well
 
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You can also try older versions of Paragon, you can source from here:

https://apkpure.com/exfat-ntfs-for-usb-by-paragon-software/com.paragon.tcplugins_ntfs_ro

Maybe the licensing thing is a newer issue after they were aquired by MS?

I definitely had it running on an Amazon Fire TV 4K (Android TV Box) for a while, and I din't pay for it, as far as I remember.

But generally speaking - banking on Paragon shouldnt be your way forward.. ;) (Good enough, but more of a hack in todays ecosystem - all things considered.)

edit: But then maybe I did pay for it (in app purchases... ;) ). Now I'm not so sure anymore.. :)

The good thing about your media player also working as a NAS is, that you arent limited to smb network speeds (the Zidoo boxes arent either), but have full USB bandwidth. So getting your player into an external box, that has USB ports - is still preferable. Everything considered. At the moment.

Once high speed NASes come down in price (Synology Routers have comparatively fast NAS speeds, especially if you also look at power efficiency (SOC) - So they hug the sweet spot, but they are expensive. (As all Synology products are.)) the story will be different (NAS all the way).

Issue is, that the drivers that made everything else in the consumer space so cheap (Rasp Pi plattform, Arm SOC based, until recently havent tackled the NAS market (USB lane bandwith too low). I'm sure there is some ARM board out there that probably runs under android, that is - the most cost effective solution currently out there.. :) I just dont know what it is. :)

Routers (especially the cheaper ones) usually are based on a SOC design, that will struggle to give you more than 10MB/s on ntfs writes over smb. But the are very energy efficient. Great for up to 1080p stuff, 4K - not so much. (Synology Routers being the exception (3x in speed afair, read reviews, before you buy)).

Buying a dedicated NAS - has you paying premium prices - based basically on 'lack of competition' in that market. Building your own NAS (using computer hardware), isnt somethig normal consumer should have to look forward into doing either.
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So sweet spot for normal consumers today - if 4K UHD is a usecase, might still be USB harddrive plugged into the player.

If your TV is what you have - try tinkering with Paragon (cost effective), if you must. But your goal should be to outsource the 'Smart functionality' to an external box in the long run.

If you like to tinker, look at the Zidoo stuff, imho.
If not - nVidia Shield TV, all the way.
 
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If your goal is a NAS for 1080p movie watching (and light network document handling) and cheap, you can buy a

Buffalo WZR-HP-G300NH

router (or similar) which you can get for under 20 USD, and put DD-WRT on it (read up on how to do it, before you buy)- which will be good for 7MB/s writes onto a NTFS harddrive (reads probably not that much faster ;) ). At very low additional energy consumption.

That was my strat in 2009. ;) (Still valid.. ;) But 7MB/s was slow even back then.. ;) )

Also movie encode rates are in MBIts, which arent bytes, so for 1080p, you still should be good. ;) (If you watch any compressed formats (not mpeg2 ;) ).)

edit: I had Buffalo N450 routers. Just double checked, so the write speed number quote is only good for them. ;)

The purpose of this is to give you an overview over cost/performance for different NAS solutions.

20 USD - 5MB/s write speed over smb onto a ntfs drive (7MB/s was ftp, just remembered) (cheap router)
60 USD - 10MB/s write speed over smb onto a ntfs drive (popular, old, Asus Router)
100 USD - 10-50MB/s (WLAN vs Gigabit LAN) write speed over smb onto a ntfs drive, with a proper android media player, and a HDMi capture interface, and IR controllable, and... (Zidoo players - used)
120 USD - Synology 2600AC used (estimate), for probably around 20-30MB/s write speeds onto a ntfs drive via smb, which is a good router on top of that.
240 USD - Western Digital My Cloud, for probably around 40-50 MB/s writes. (Product quality is kind of crappy.) 40 USD of that = harddrive price.
400something USD - Synology Home NAS solution.that isnt crap tier anymore. ;)


Also - I just read, that Zidoo also uses the Paragon NTFS implementation for read/write under android, on their boxes (smb still slower) - huh.... https://www.cnx-software.com/2016/1...art-2-android-firmware-openwrt-nas-functions/

So- if you get paragon running, you are good.. ;) (Seems to be the best driver implementation for ntfs under Android still.) I just hate you still banking on a 'take usb stick out, and back in' ("sneakernet") solution, or string together your NAS solution under android - but only when your TV is on. There are better ways. ;)
 
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Thanks guys , I finally realized that it also runs on ntfs so that's good enough for the 4 gb limitation , I want just want control remote and add no more . Thanks for all your comments
 

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In terms of expandability:

- cheapo router: 1x USB 2.0 port
- Asus RT-AC66U: 2x USB 2.0 port
- Zidoo X9s: 2x USB 2.0 port 1x USB 3.0 port, 1x micro sd card slot, 1x full size Sata connector
- Synology 2600AC: 1x USB 2.0 1x USB 3.0
. WD My Cloud: 2x USB 3.0 and internal Sata connectors
- Synology NAS at 400 USD price points - better ;)

In terms of noise output, everything mentioned prior to the WD My Cloud is fanless. 2.5" harddrives also are more silent, but less cost effective,
 
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