Junichi Masuda responds to backlash over Pokemon Sword and Shield not including every Pokemon

pedro702 · Jun 30, 2019

gamefreak rarely does updates let alone dlc, srs the only tims pokemon got patches was to fix afew bugs here and there otherwise they make zero updates/dlc, im preety sure people would like a dlc of hey here is a new mission with a new enemy wich would be like a 1 hour or two dlc story based and whatnot, but nope.

chaoskagami · Jun 30, 2019

Translation: We're lazy, you're a cash cow, fuck off.

This kinda pisses me off. Game Freak has been one of the few companies that always tried to please everyone, and this strikes me as them throwing that all out the window. They don't care about the fans anymore.

DarthDub · Jun 30, 2019

What is DLC, Masuda?

Burorī · Jun 30, 2019

ertaboy356b said:
Haven't seen that slogan since Gen 3.

It's become harder to catch 'em all after every game

gundamu · Jun 30, 2019

sword/shield xci releases

Jiehfeng · Jun 30, 2019

This is very relevant.

What's the excuse again?

deinonychus71 · Jun 30, 2019

StarHime said:
People seem to fail to understand the problem: the reduced Pokédex isn't the problem, it's just a symptom of the main problem of the series from quite some time, the lack of ambition.

Since quite some time, it seems that the series doesn't try to offer a new experience anymore, but instead just goes for the same formula that worked for them since Red and Blue: you start in your town with your 3 pokemon and your rival, beat gyms, defeat the evil guys and eventually become Champion. Which was fine at first, but it's been 20 years of games and it's starting to become boring. Even with some minor changes, like S&M, the base is exactly the same.

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Sorry for the rant, but it bothers me a bit seeing both people who would be perfectly fine with the game if it just included the National Dex and people who think we are just complaining because of the lack of Pokémon (in fact, I've been complaining since the first trailer lol). Heck, I'll be perfectly fine with a limited Pokédex if they tried to innovate on the story and gameplay aspects: do the Breath of The Wild of Pokémon, or the Oddysey of Pokémon. Many classic series are doing it, why not Pokémon?

I genuinely don't get your point. This is exactly what they're doing with this game. They're not just bringing one new gimmick (if that was the case, I'd agree it doesn't bring much). It brings bigger, better open world, it brings pokemon in the wild, it brings raids, it's getting closer to making "Pokemon MMO" a reality. There IS ambition with this game.

I'm not going to say that they could be doing much more, it's certainly not going to be the next BotW. However, they are certainly taking some risks this time around. If the game works, it will comfort them in keeping up with these changes, if it doesn't work? well, i'm sure they'll be more than happy to focus on what really make money these days: mobile games.

People need to be realistic, if they want a full game with all pokemon and perfect animation in a bright open world, we're talking about a game that will last a decade, something that only a game as a service model (MMO type) can get the budget for. I'm all for it, but it's an incredibly risky move and they're certainly not going to do it if all the fans do are complaining about all the things that aren't quite like before versus everything new that they're bringing this time.

THYPLEX · Jun 30, 2019

What a bunch of idiots , the gamefreak idiots , i mean

raxadian · Jun 30, 2019

SANIC said:
You can trade them over with LeafGreen/FireRed.

Leaf and Fire were released way later.

raxadian said:
Ruby and Sapphire was released worldwide on 2003.

Pokemon Colosseum was released Worldwise on 2004.

Pokémon FireRed andLeafGreen was released Worldwide on 2004.

Pokemon Emerald was released worldwide on 2005.

Pokémon XD: Gale of Darkness was released Worldwide on 2005.

So that's two years... and even then you still needed offline Pokemon events to get a few Pokemon.

It literally took two years, tons of money; a Gamecube, Nintendo events, and the GBA to Gamecube link cable to catch them all.

gundamu · Jul 1, 2019

raxadian said:
Leaf and Fire were released way later.

It literally took two years, tons of money; a Gamecube, Nintendo events, and the GBA to Gamecube link cable to catch them all.

at least all the pokemon were still present

you can't trade something that doesn't exist my boii
sword/shield is trash

raxadian · Jul 1, 2019

gundamu said:
at least all the pokemon were still present

you can't trade something that doesn't exist my boii
sword/shield is trash

I just wanted to point out is not the first time Gamefreak does something like this.

The Switch has limited space. The cheapest model only has 32 GB of space, so stuff like a 30 GB "update" would be quite unreasonable for it.

And they don't want to store game updates in micro sd cards to prevent hacking.

So the only way to add all Pokemon would be with a more expensive game card.

Or they could go back to 2D to save space.

Deleted User · Jul 1, 2019

raxadian said:
I just wanted to point out is not the first time Gamefreak does something like this.

The Switch has limited space. The cheapest model only has 32 GB of space, so stuff like a 30 GB "update" would be quite unreasonable for it.

And they don't want to store game updates in micro sd card to prevent hacking.

So the only way to add all Pokemon would be with a more expensive game card.

Or they could go back to 2D to save space.

WHAT!?
What the fuck are you smoking!?
ok.
First off the models are not that large,it is the environment. I highly doubt that it would bloat to 30gb, this game is easily around 6 to 7gb. I highly doubt it is 12+
Second off "And they don't want to store game updates in micro sd card to prevent hacking. "
WTF
WHAT KIND OF LOGIC IS THAT!?
how they hell do you hack a update!? Updates are signed! You can just go "oh I want to look into the sd card and change mons" that's not how that works!

deinonychus71 · Jul 1, 2019

Again, the size of a game is not an indicator of how much can fit into it. A lot of game that reaches 50+GB are mostly filling it up with videos, high quality/lossless sound and textures and such.
This has to do with the amount of work (massively underestimated) required to achieve what some people here want.

pedro702 · Jul 1, 2019

raxadian said:
I just wanted to point out is not the first time Gamefreak does something like this.

The Switch has limited space. The cheapest model only has 32 GB of space, so stuff like a 30 GB "update" would be quite unreasonable for it.

And they don't want to store game updates in micro sd cards to prevent hacking.

So the only way to add all Pokemon would be with a more expensive game card.

Or they could go back to 2D to save space.

that is the worst excuse i ever saw lol, i bet pokemon filesize wont even be 16 gb let alone 32gb, also like people said even if it takes 2 years or so you wont be able to trade pokemons that arent coded in the game therefore you cant do it like you did on gen 3.

not gonna even talk about the updates noone sence lol you cant hack an update lol on every hack you either hack a savefile or find some game execution bug, there has never been an update hacking lol.

AaronUzumaki · Jul 1, 2019

deinonychus71 said:
Again, the size of a game is not an indicator of how much can fit into it. A lot of game that reaches 50+GB are mostly filling it up with videos, high quality/lossless sound and textures and such.
This has to do with the amount of work (massively underestimated) required to achieve what some people here want.

I really think you're overestimating how much work it is. They're still using the same future-proof models and animations they started making with X and Y. They literally already put the work in, they just need to put in a little more to port over the assets. I could see it maybe causing a slight delay on the release or needing to get patched in later, but they certainly have the assets, budget and manpower for it to be a fairly quick and easy job.

deinonychus71 · Jul 1, 2019

AaronUzumaki said:
I really think you're overestimating how much work it is. They're still using the same future-proof models and animations they started making with X and Y. They literally already put the work in, they just need to put in a little more to port over the assets. I could see it maybe causing a slight delay on the release or needing to get patched in later, but they certainly have the assets, budget and manpower for it to be a fairly quick and easy job.

People are not asking for running animation. They're asking for animations in battle. So transition from running animations, plus a few templates for different animations... per Pokemon.
This isn't quick and easy.
The more "HD" it gets, the more awkward it looks when transitions arent natural. You can use camera tricks to make it look better but thats about it

shadow1w2 · Jul 1, 2019

I'd be more surprised if they weren't just saving it for DLC later.
I mean, it would be easy money to hold back pokemon then resell them later.
I wouldn't mind holding all the other pokemon back for ease of development then selling them with an expansion, new areas and such.

Pandaxclone2 · Jul 1, 2019

deinonychus71 said:
People are not asking for running animation. They're asking for animations in battle. So transition from running animations, plus a few templates for different animations... per Pokemon.
This isn't quick and easy.
The more "HD" it gets, the more awkward it looks when transitions arent natural. You can use camera tricks to make it look better but thats about it

I think it's safe to say people would rather a complete dex with awkward animations rather than a cut dex and polished animations, not to mention Let's Go uses pretty minimal animations too so the precedent doesn't bode well. Heck, if they really wanted to, throw in those polished animations after the fact as DLC. That'd be overall smaller than cramming the remaining dex in via DLC.

AaronUzumaki · Jul 1, 2019

deinonychus71 said:
People are not asking for running animation. They're asking for animations in battle. So transition from running animations, plus a few templates for different animations... per Pokemon.
This isn't quick and easy.
The more "HD" it gets, the more awkward it looks when transitions arent natural. You can use camera tricks to make it look better but thats about it

They already have all the battle animations though. I could be wrong, but based on all the footage I've seen, they're definitely still using the same battle animations for old pokemon.

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chaoskagami said:
Translation: We're lazy, you're a cash cow, fuck off.

This kinda pisses me off. Game Freak has been one of the few companies that always tried to please everyone, and this strikes me as them throwing that all out the window. They don't care about the fans anymore.

They haven't done that since the DS days

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