Hacking "Hidden home button" hardmod

kombos · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
It says you quoted my post. If you didn't (which it seems you didn't), check two posts above yours. They confirmed that Ninty can't detect it, as I originally said.

Bollox. Considering that HorizonOS running on top of SoC which means it utilise all it's power it's super easy to implement such check. "hidden home button" name wasn't taken from nowhere. In other devices based on Tegra 210 such as those running Android it's actually home button. When it could be used by other OS, what's the problem of implementing the same in switch genius ?

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phn said:
And do they work on tablet mode? Some people claims they stop working on tablet mode and only bluetooth works.

Thats correct. When PIN 10 is shorted JoyCon isn't detected as in handheld mode. It has been reported by many users online and there is noone actually stating different. It's working fine just over bluetooth.

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

kombos said:
Bollox. Considering that HorizonOS running on top of SoC which means it utilise all it's power it's super easy to implement such check. "hidden home button" name wasn't taken from nowhere. In other devices based on Tegra 210 such as those running Android it's actually home button. When it could be used by other OS, what's the problem of implementing the same in switch genius ?

Seriously? Did you even read the image? If it's floating, it can give false ground readings. You can't implement a security check using something so unreliable. Genius.

kombos · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
Seriously? Did you even read the image? If it's floating, it can give false ground readings. You can't implement a security check using something so unreliable. Genius.

I'm not gonna implement anything, however Nintendo can.

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

kombos said:
I'm not gonna implement anything, however Nintendo can.

Wow. Now you're just doing that on purpose. If you can't contribute, go screw around somewhere else.

aut0mat3d · Apr 25, 2018

Ever heared about internal pullup resistors in SOCs or uCs?
Absolutely legit.
The bootloader needs a pullup (internal or on the Motherboard ) to see the pin tied to gnd.
All other would be magic happening

kombos · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
Wow. Now you're just doing that on purpose. If you can't contribute, go screw around somewhere else.

*phew* Just don't trick people that it's mega undetectable hax. Seems like you know nothing about embedded programming. I've seen that majority people here don't know what they are doing but it seems like some of them don't know what they are talking about. Because of posts like yours which is full of b'sh1t people can get into troubles.

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

kombos said:
*phew* Just don't trick people that it's mega undetectable hax. Seems like you know nothing about embedded programming. I've seen that majority people here don't know what they are doing but it seems like some of them don't know what they are talking about. Because of posts like yours which is full of b'sh1t people can get into troubles.

Kombos, stop spewing yeah? Coming from a staff ReSwitched member, pin 10 is a floating pin. It gives off false grounding values. Therefore it cannot be reliably used to determine a hardware mod. You don't need programming experience to understand that. Stop insulting people. Makes you look like an idiot.

subcon959 · Apr 25, 2018

cmsj said:
I'm uploading a video to YouTube of my Fusee Gelee modified joycon happily showing off all of its buttons working, wirelessly. I'm too new to the forum to post a link though, so I'll have to obfuscate the URL somehow.

The issue wasn't about the joycon working fine (which it does) it was whether the Switch detected it in handheld mode as connected or still as detached.

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

subcon959 said:
The issue wasn't about the joycon working fine (which it does) it was whether the Switch detected it in handheld mode as connected or still as detached.

Actually, there has been concern that shorting the 10th pin can cause the joycon to not communicate in handheld mode, but Bluetooth only. That's been confirmed as false.

subcon959 · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
That's been confirmed as false.

Source? I've been trying to find proof of that all day (just impatient as I'll be able to try it out myself later tonight)

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

subcon959 said:
Source? I've been trying to find proof of that all day (just impatient as I'll be able to try it out myself later tonight)

It was in one of the most recent threads regarding the pins. When I get a chance, I'll look around for it.

Sonto340 · Apr 25, 2018

subcon959 said:
Source? I've been trying to find proof of that all day (just impatient as I'll be able to try it out myself later tonight)

The concern isn’t about the pin itself being shorted not detecting in handheld mode. Shorting the pin on the switch should cause no permanent damage. The concern was with bending the pins to make them short will cause the switch to push them back. If this repeats he pin will break off, and that’s what causes the joycon to be undetectable in handheld mode I believe.

subcon959 · Apr 25, 2018

Sonto340 said:
The concern isn’t about the pin itself being shorted not detecting in handheld mode. Shorting the pin on the switch should cause no permanent damage. The concern was with bending the pins to make them short will cause the switch to push them back. If this repeats he pin will break off, and that’s what causes the joycon to be undetectable in handheld mode I believe.

No it's nothing to do with that, see here https://gbatemp.net/threads/can-som...-apart-the-joycon.501933/page-10#post-7935293

kombos · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
Actually, there has been concern that shorting the 10th pin can cause the joycon to not communicate in handheld mode, but Bluetooth only. That's been confirmed as false.

Oracle. Source or go away. As for now everyone else says different. If you get into github of dekuNukem
https://github.com/dekuNukem/Nintendo_Switch_Reverse_Engineering

You will find that pin 10 is Flow control and JoyCon communicate over UART when pin is HIGH. When it's connected to ground it's not HIGH.

Sonto340 said:
The concern isn’t about the pin itself being shorted not detecting in handheld mode. Shorting the pin on the switch should cause no permanent damage. The concern was with bending the pins to make them short will cause the switch to push them back. If this repeats he pin will break off, and that’s what causes the joycon to be undetectable in handheld mode I believe.

That is very true as well.

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

kombos said:
Oracle. Source or go away.

I literally posted a fucking picture of the staff saying it themselves. The hell do you mean source? If you don't believe them, go argue with the staff.

ken28 · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
Seriously? Did you even read the image? If it's floating, it can give false ground readings. You can't implement a security check using something so unreliable. Genius.

its about probality - sometimes low vs always low. Genius...
its sometimes being low? expected.
It always being low? very strange, possible hw defect -> let us do deeper scans to be safe.
Dont come either that it will just think it connected wirlesly. sure thats sound plausible expect it also gets charged by the switch (which is seemingly still does)?

Reecey · Apr 25, 2018

subcon959 said:
So you don't have this issue? I'll be checking it myself in a few hours I just want some idea of what others are experiencing too.

All you have to do to stop that from happening is make sure you take the battery out from its little home before you solder the two pins together

Deathscreton · Apr 25, 2018

ken28 said:
its about probality - sometimes low vs always low. Genius...
its sometimes being low? expected.
It always being low? very strange, possible hw defect -> let us do deeper scans

Really. So you're telling me that Nintendo willing to risk the wrath of their entire customer base on the "possibility" that someone is using a modified joycon based on the chance that the signal that ALL JOYCONS GIVE OFF is a little TOO low for a little TOO long? Yeah, can't wait to see that happen.

*Strawman argument done*

Seriously though, it's unreliable. You can't get a for sure reading on something that will give off low signals without actually being grounded. We don't know how long or often this pin/pad shows grounded. I don't think Ninty would be willing to put forth resources into using it based on this reason alone.

ken28 · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
Really. So you're telling me that Nintendo willing to risk the wrath of their entire customer base on the "possibility" that someone is using a modified joycon based on the chance that the signal that ALL JOYCONS GIVE OFF is a little TOO low for a little TOO long? Yeah, can't wait to see that happen.

*Strawman argument done*

Seriously though, it's unreliable. You can't get a for sure reading on something that will give off low signals without actually being grounded. We don't know how long or often this pin/pad shows grounded. I don't think Ninty would be willing to put forth resources into using it based on this reason alone.

read understand and then comment.
i didnt say they would ban purely on this fact but this paired with it being charges by system while reading as low could may aswell trigger a much depper scan.
Like veryfing sysmoduls etc. (sure those will be spoofed at one point but it could evolve in a cat and mouse scenario)

if you ground the pin its always low and that happning normaly has a 0% chance.

kombos · Apr 25, 2018

Deathscreton said:
I literally posted a fucking picture of the staff saying it themselves. The hell do you mean source? If you don't believe them, go argue with the staff.

You literally don't understand what we are talking about.

PS. Message for you from the staff

Hacking "Hidden home button" hardmod

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