Gaming The Luigi’s Mansion 3DS Situation

osaka35 · Mar 14, 2018

Zyvyn said:
I thought dark moon looked great for 3ds

"for 3ds" being the operative word

And I agree, it's great...for a 3ds game. It's still painful for me though, since it's a bit of a downgrade to get it to work for the 3ds. It's as if they ported it to the n64 and made it look unbelievably amazing...for a n64 game.

DeslotlCL · Mar 14, 2018

osaka35 said:
"for 3ds" being the operative word And I agree, it's great...for a 3ds game. It's still painful for me though, since it's a bit of a downgrade to get it to work for the 3ds. It's as if they ported it to the n64 and made it look unbelievably amazing...for a n64 game.

The 3ds probably isnt exactly as powerful as the gamecube, but you are not giving credit to the 3ds for the graphical stuff that it can do and the gamecube doesnt. The 3ds can work a nice lightning engine, comparable to the ones used in the previous gen consoles (ps3/360) whereas even the wii couldnt pull off. The game itself contains a few effect that were abscent on the original (and reduces or cut off others for perfomance, such as dust "particles") and it has reworked in game 3d models where some look even better than the ones on the gamecube.

Take in mind that if it were a new 3ds exclusive, it could easily beat the gamecube version by graphics standards, but still, it looks like a good damn port for the 3ds.

SLiV3R · Mar 14, 2018

It would have been cool with F-Zero GX or Super Mario Sunshine instead. But hopefully we will see more Gamecube ports on the N3DS

Ryab · Mar 14, 2018

DeslotlCL said:
The 3ds probably isnt exactly as powerful as the gamecube, but you are not giving credit to the 3ds for the graphical stuff that it can do and the gamecube doesnt. The 3ds can work a nice lightning engine, comparable to the ones used in the previous gen consoles (ps3/360) whereas even the wii couldnt pull off. The game itself contains a few effect that were abscent on the original (and reduces or cut off others for perfomance, such as dust "particles") and it has reworked in game 3d models where some look even better than the ones on the gamecube.

Take in mind that if it were a new 3ds exclusive, it could easily beat the gamecube version by graphics standards, but still, it looks like a good damn port for the 3ds.

correct 3ds is 360p gamecube is 480p also the 3ds has a slightly less powerful gpu

osaka35 · Mar 14, 2018

DeslotlCL said:
The 3ds probably isnt exactly as powerful as the gamecube, but you are not giving credit to the 3ds for the graphical stuff that it can do and the gamecube doesnt. The 3ds can work a nice lightning engine, comparable to the ones used in the previous gen consoles (ps3/360) whereas even the wii couldnt pull off. The game itself contains a few effect that were abscent on the original (and reduces or cut off others for perfomance, such as dust "particles") and it has reworked in game 3d models where some look even better than the ones on the gamecube.

Take in mind that if it were a new 3ds exclusive, it could easily beat the gamecube version by graphics standards, but still, it looks like a good damn port for the 3ds.

I mean, it does some things nicer...but overall, personally, the visuals look "meh". It's always "this looks amazing!...for a handheld" or something XD. I mean, it's just the nature of the 3ds. It's fine as a downgrade, it's just annoying to play a somewhat inferior version of a game that's already 17 years old or so. They already had Dark moon's engine, so it makes the most sense to put it on 3ds, but it's still disappointing visually. I'll probably just play the original game again unless they add something new content wise.

SG854 · Mar 14, 2018

pedro702 said:
an opinion cannot be false saying apples are oranges is not an oppinion your just wrong, an opinion needs to be something left for interpretation but apples are oranges is not an opinion at all its just wrong.

Theres a lot in this whole opinions vs subjective argument. What is opinions and what is subjective I see a lot.

A subjective can be influenced by outside factors. So should a persons subjective opinion matter? We perceive the world and fitered through our senses. Which means we are not seeing everything the world has to offer. We can't see infrared and can't see ultra violet, yet it exists. Our perceptions is limited and everyones perception is different. Someone might see red as red, buy a color blind see's it as black and white.

The items that we use changes our perception also. Let say 2 people has the same exact hearing. And lets say someone has a flat response for speakers and listens to music. The music sounds good right. Lets say the other has an uneven frequency response and has a very bright high end. They listen to the same music but say the music is annoying and the high end sounds hurt their ears. If the person had a flat response like the other than the music would've been a lot more enjoyable. They both do reviews on the song. One gives a thumbs up and the other a thumbs down (because of poorly optimized speakers). It was all due to how the speakers were equalized and they both have a different experience.

Are subjective opinions useful at all when people have different equipment and different senses? People seek opinions to make purchases. They have limited time and money so they can't buy and try everything. So they turn to reviews. But how useful are those reviews? Maybe the game and its sound design wasn't shitty and its was just your shitty senses and/or equipment. So how useful your review to me when i'll get a different experience because of my different set up. Whats the point of expressing opinions in the first place then? And arguing over them when people are different?

So is there a objective like in colors? Its objective that Red is Red. Is it? Maybe you perceive Red as Blue because the cones in your eyes are switched up.

chirogan · Mar 14, 2018

osaka35 said:
I mean, it does some things nicer...but overall, personally, the visuals look "meh". It's always "this looks amazing!...for a handheld" or something XD. I mean, it's just the nature of the 3ds. It's fine as a downgrade, it's just annoying to play a somewhat inferior version of a game that's already 17 years old or so. They already had Dark moon's engine, so it makes the most sense to put it on 3ds, but it's still disappointing visually. I'll probably just play the original game again unless they add something new content wise.

You certainly have points. The main arguments of most members who posted are "Why put it on the 3ds? It will look better on the switch, the graphics is a downgrade!"

In an honest question, to all who asks the same question, if theoretically, the switch did not came out yet and wii U is the main home console,

"would you agree that it should be in the wii U rather than the 3ds. Luigis Mansion would look better on the wii U with 1080P or 4k res!"

Id bet it would be an outrage in the community for splitting the 2 games in different consoles. Some or most of the members are biased to having a switch in the same way people have the 3ds and not the wii U

Like what i said in my previous post, Nintendo made a practical decision. In marketing point of view, THe game would sell more on the 3ds rather than the switch. Let alone buying a switch to play the game in the switch.

If graphical fidelity is an issue here, everyone would be bothered playing a downgraded version of a pushing 4K res game from PS4 to a standard and heavily downgraded and reduced features 720P for the switch. No one complained isnt it?

osaka35 · Mar 14, 2018

chirogan said:
You certainly have points. The main arguments of most members who posted are "Why put it on the 3ds? It will look better on the switch, the graphics is a downgrade!"

In an honest question, to all who asks the same question, if theoretically, the switch did not came out yet and wii U is the main home console,

"would you agree that it should be in the wii U rather than the 3ds. Luigis Mansion would look better on the wii U with 1080P or 4k res!"

Id bet it would be an outrage in the community for splitting the 2 games in different consoles. Some or most of the members are biased to having a switch in the same way people have the 3ds and not the wii U

Like what i said in my previous post, Nintendo made a practical decision. In marketing point of view, THe game would sell more on the 3ds rather than the switch. Let alone buying a switch to play the game in the switch.

If graphical fidelity is an issue here, everyone would be bothered playing a downgraded version of a pushing 4K res game from PS4 to a standard and heavily downgraded and reduced features 720P for the switch. No one complained isnt it?

i think for me, the age of the game comes into play. a game that recently came out on a current gen or late last gen, it's more acceptable. a game that's 3 generation and a year old, there's a bit of a difference. and then it comes with less visuals than when it was first released so long ago

i mean, it makes complete sense from a business standpoint, it's just disappointing from a so many years later perspective. and it's great for those who never played it before, so I'm glad it's coming out. i just wish there was...more

chirogan · Mar 14, 2018

osaka35 said:
i think for me, the age of the game comes into play. a game that recently came out on a current gen or late last gen, it's more acceptable. a game that's 3 generation and a year old, there's a bit of a difference. and then it comes with less visuals than when it was first released so long ago

i mean, it makes complete sense from a business standpoint, it's just disappointing from a so many years later perspective. and it's great for those who never played it before, so I'm glad it's coming out. i just wish there was...more

Well. Yeah. For me its not necessarily a downgrade. To be able to get this into a handheld console from a home console years later is a major improvement. It is just a matter of perspective. For you, it is a downgrade. For me, it is an upgrade for i dont mind. But for most people, it is a biased judgement. Again, the graphics in the 3ds is not that bad for a 4 inch screen in my opinion.

Yet the argument remains the same. Nintendo made it clear that they will support the 3ds in as much as they can. This means that nintendo will release games as well as AAA games. This is a game made for the 3ds and i believe this is not a debatable matter. It is part of their support. Whether the game looks great or not is a matter of opinion already.

Also, i seem to know that i will see more of these debates in all AAA titles that will be released for the 3ds where switch users ~~gets jealous~~ wants these games and play on the switch.

No offense my friends.

osaka35 · Mar 14, 2018

chirogan said:
Well. Yeah. For me its not necessarily a downgrade. To be able to so this into a handheld console from a home console years later is a major improvement. It is just a matter of perspective. For you, it is a downgrade. For me, it is an upgrade for i dont mind. But for most people, it is a biased judgement. Again, the graphics in the 3ds is not that bad for a 4 inch screen in my opinion.

Yet the argument remains the same. Nintendo made it clear that they will support the 3ds in as much as they can. This means that nintendo will release games as well as AAA games. This is a game made for the 3ds and i believe this is not a debatable matter. It is part of their support. Whether the game looks great or not is a matter of opinion already.

Also, i seem to know that i will see more of these debates in all AAA titles that will be released for the 3ds where switch users ~~gets jealous~~ wants these games and play on the switch.

No offense my friends.

nah, just a diffetence of opinion. it makes sense, it just feels lacking to me. i have little motivation or desire to pick it up, which is what i'm mainly concerned with. if it had additional content or some extra fun stuff that kind of extended the original game in some way, i'd probably pick it up.

plus, since it's not a port to the switch, that means a big sequel won't be happening anytime soon

chirogan · Mar 14, 2018

osaka35 said:
plus, since it's not a port to the switch, that means a big sequel won't be happening anytime soon

Or maybe, its the other way around. Who knows?

Ryab · Mar 14, 2018

osaka35 said:
i think for me, the age of the game comes into play. a game that recently came out on a current gen or late last gen, it's more acceptable. a game that's 3 generation and a year old, there's a bit of a difference. and then it comes with less visuals than when it was first released so long ago

i mean, it makes complete sense from a business standpoint, it's just disappointing from a so many years later perspective. and it's great for those who never played it before, so I'm glad it's coming out. i just wish there was...more

ah im a person who plays nes games commonly so i never really seemed to care about graphics

osaka35 · Mar 14, 2018

chirogan said:
Or maybe, its the other way around. Who knows?

then they'd have to port it twice, which makes less sense. or they'd have to remake it from scratch. i guess if it sells well enough they might? but it does seem less likely now. definitely not the other way around lol.

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Zyvyn said:
ah im a person who plays nes games commonly so i never really seemed to care about graphics

you don't mind playing nes games on rf rather than component or hdmi?

pedro702 · Mar 14, 2018

chirogan said:
You certainly have points. The main arguments of most members who posted are "Why put it on the 3ds? It will look better on the switch, the graphics is a downgrade!"

In an honest question, to all who asks the same question, if theoretically, the switch did not came out yet and wii U is the main home console,

"would you agree that it should be in the wii U rather than the 3ds. Luigis Mansion would look better on the wii U with 1080P or 4k res!"

Id bet it would be an outrage in the community for splitting the 2 games in different consoles. Some or most of the members are biased to having a switch in the same way people have the 3ds and not the wii U

Like what i said in my previous post, Nintendo made a practical decision. In marketing point of view, THe game would sell more on the 3ds rather than the switch. Let alone buying a switch to play the game in the switch.

If graphical fidelity is an issue here, everyone would be bothered playing a downgraded version of a pushing 4K res game from PS4 to a standard and heavily downgraded and reduced features 720P for the switch. No one complained isnt it?

nintendo has slipped sequels on diferente devices preeety much all the time
zelda home and portable since nes and gbc.
new mario bros series started portable on ds got wii,3ds and wiiu releases
luig mansion started home and went portable
animal cross started home and went portable and home and all the stuff.
pikmin got 3 games on home and one on portable.
chibi robo started home went portable too.
kirby is all over the place.
etc.
And you bet if this had come out when wiiu was strugling people would be even more pissed becuase wiiu needed some decent games.

so yeah having a sequel on the other device is nothing new for nintendo really.

also no matter how you paint it its a downgrade, textures look worse, lighting looks much worse, motion gyro to control the vacuum will be 10 times worse, heck what made me not like luigis mansion dark moon was the lack of another analog stick for camera or vaccum control really they could have added a new3ds update to use the thumb sticker sadly they didnt.

when people get a remaster/remake they expect the game to look better or atleast the same with some framebuff at minimum, not worse and with motion gyro forced crap, this is the reason i rarely bough wii games, forced motion stuff that no one wanted.

All in all what is done is done, maybe someday we get gc virtual console like the shield is getting wich makes the games 1080p.

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Zyvyn said:
only downgrade is the resolution

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have you never played dark moon? it had pretty good control

have you not seen the trailer? it shows a tilting 3ds when he is using the vacuun, and yes i played dark moon and didnt like the controls at all, that was the worst part of the game really, the game itself was preety cool.

and no not just the resolution, you can see the lightning engine is very dumbed down, im guessing the 3ds gpu coudlnt handle all the lightning effects like they were on the gc.

Ryab · Mar 14, 2018

pedro702 said:
nintendo has slipped sequels on diferente devices preeety much all the time
zelda home and portable since nes and gbc.
new mario bros series started portable on ds got wii,3ds and wiiu releases
luig mansion started home and went portable
animal cross started home and went portable and home and all the stuff.
pikmin got 3 games on home and one on portable.
chibi robo started home went portable too.
kirby is all over the place.
etc.
And you bet if this had come out when wiiu was strugling people would be even more pissed becuase wiiu needed some decent games.

so yeah having a sequel on the other device is nothing new for nintendo really.

also no matter how you paint it its a downgrade, textures look worse, lighting looks much worse, motion gyro to control the vacuum will be 10 times worse, heck what made me not like luigis mansion dark moon was the lack of another analog stick for camera or vaccum control really they could have added a new3ds update to use the thumb sticker sadly they didnt.

when people get a remaster/remake they expect the game to look better or atleast the same with some framebuff at minimum, not worse and with motion gyro forced crap, this is the reason i rarely bough wii games, forced motion stuff that no one wanted.

All in all what is done is done, maybe someday we get gc virtual console like the shield is getting wich makes the games 1080p.

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have you not seen the trailer? it shows a tilting 3ds when he is using the vacuun, and yes i played dark moon and didnt like the controls at all, that was the worst part of the game really, the game itself was preety cool.

and no not just the resolution, you can see the lightning engine is very dumbed down, im guessing the 3ds gpu coudlnt handle all the lightning effects like they were on the gc.

I honestly liked dark moons control more than the original

chirogan · Mar 14, 2018

pedro702 said:
nintendo has slipped sequels on diferente devices preeety much all the time
zelda home and portable since nes and gbc.
new mario bros series started portable on ds got wii,3ds and wiiu releases
luig mansion started home and went portable
animal cross started home and went portable and home and all the stuff.
pikmin got 3 games on home and one on portable.
chibi robo started home went portable too.
kirby is all over the place.
etc.
And you bet if this had come out when wiiu was strugling people would be even more pissed becuase wiiu needed some decent games.

so yeah having a sequel on the other device is nothing new for nintendo really.

also no matter how you paint it its a downgrade, textures look worse, lighting looks much worse, motion gyro to control the vacuum will be 10 times worse, heck what made me not like luigis mansion dark moon was the lack of another analog stick for camera or vaccum control really they could have added a new3ds update to use the thumb sticker sadly they didnt.

when people get a remaster/remake they expect the game to look better or atleast the same with some framebuff at minimum, not worse and with motion gyro forced crap, this is the reason i rarely bough wii games, forced motion stuff that no one wanted.

All in all what is done is done, maybe someday we get gc virtual console like the shield is getting wich makes the games 1080p.

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have you not seen the trailer? it shows a tilting 3ds when he is using the vacuun, and yes i played dark moon and didnt like the controls at all, that was the worst part of the game really, the game itself was preety cool.

and no not just the resolution, you can see the lightning engine is very dumbed down, im guessing the 3ds gpu coudlnt handle all the lightning effects like they were on the gc.

You missed the whole point of my argument. Upgrade or downgrade does not matter. Most of this people fight because they have a switch. The same way a 3ds users will fight wii U users because they dont have a wii U

pedro702 · Mar 14, 2018

chirogan said:
You missed the whole point of my argument. Upgrade or downgrade does not matter. Most of this people fight because they have a switch. The same way a 3ds users will fight wii U users because they dont have a wii U

i have all of them, so its not a matter of having or not, and like people said the letdown is remaking a 17yo game that will look worse than it was 17 years ago.

imagine if ocarina of time and majoras mask remakes on 3ds looked worse than the actual n64 versions people would have rioted.

chirogan · Mar 14, 2018

pedro702 said:
i have all of them, so its not a matter of having or not, and like people said the letdown is remaking a 17yo game that will look worse than it was 17 years ago.

imagine if ocarina of time and majoras mask remakes on 3ds looked worse than the actual n64 versions people would have rioted.

Were going in circles. Please backread.

Bonestorm · Mar 14, 2018

Memoir said:
The 3ds isn't dead, let alone dying.

Yes it is.

osaka35 · Mar 14, 2018

Nintendo will continue to support the 3ds as long as it's selling as well as it is. check out its sales numbers! amazing for such an old old console. It's survived the wii and the wii u and selling well alongside the switch. It may have slowed at its printing money, but man. I bet nintendo is just as surprised as everyone else. But don't look a gift horse in a mouth, I suppose.

I mean, it makes great sense if you're nintendo. Just as a consumer, it's not so much geared towards me. This probably would have been more amazing had it been released during the era of the wii.

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