North American Prototype of the N64DD found in Seattle

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A former game developer from Sierra, and avid game collector, Jason Lindsey, has made an interesting find this week. He claims to have purchased an American prototype of the Nintendo 64 Disk Drive, an N64 add-on that never made it's way out of Japan. Apparently, only 50 of the units still exist in the wild, and were used at Nintendo of America (in Redmond Washington, a short drive from Seattle where they were found) during a 1997 Developer's Conference. It seems these systems were not dev consoles, but actual retail prototypes, meaning sadly they cannot play developer software. Which leads us to the most important discovery: There was a blue disc inside the unit, and these blue discs are only used for in-development N64DD games. Lindsey says he's currently trying to find a way to see just what mystery game is on that disc, and will make a video when he unearths more information.

Interesting changes from the Japanese N64DD units:

Instead of kanji characters asking to players to insert a disc, this system's boot up screen is entirely in English.

The sticker on the underside reads "Nintendo 64 Disk Drive", instead of the final build's DD64.

It also is dated 1997, (which matches up with the aforementioned conference) while the Japanese consoles are dated from 1999.

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A little off topic but of a similar nature - I have a fake N64 DD device that has a clear outer shell that sits perfectly under the N64 (same shape and all) like this authentic device. Mine has a built in CD-Rom instead and you place a burnt disc in that has multiple games / roms on it. You select them from a very basic list menu (from memory). Have not used it in forever - but this thread reminded me of it

My limited knowledge on terminology - but you could almost call it an ODE or sorts (I know it is not an ODE as it is not Emulating an Optical Disc Drive But no idea what to call it)..

Do you mean the Doctor V64 or the Z64?
 

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A little off topic but of a similar nature - I have a fake N64 DD device that has a clear outer shell that sits perfectly under the N64 (same shape and all) like this authentic device. Mine has a built in CD-Rom instead and you place a burnt disc in that has multiple games / roms on it. You select them from a very basic list menu (from memory). Have not used it in forever - but this thread reminded me of it

My limited knowledge on terminology - but you could almost call it an ODE or sorts (I know it is not an ODE as it is not Emulating an Optical Disc Drive But no idea what to call it)..

That's the CD64 by Super UFO. I still have one mine. Great piece of hardware minus the heat generated by the enclosed space with CD drive + power circuitry. I don't use it nearly enough. :(

Back on topic: The 64DD was meant to provide cheaper production costs, streaming music, online connectivity (more than likely just to back up saves, download patches, etc.). The discs were magnetic (like a hard drive) so it probably was going to be set up like the kiosks for FDS, iQue (official Chinese N64 plug-in system in a controller), etc. to buy games to load onto blank discs. It also had 4 megs of additional RAM which would have come in handy to reduce load times.

And yes, the cartridges were released up to 64MB, but that doesn't necessarily mean that is the Max. Through bank switching (moving the area in the physical chip to get past limitations in how much can be read by the N64) they could have made cartridges into gigabyte territory. It just would have been extremely expensive to manufacture those games.
 

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Looks awesome. Judging by the weird blue disk it could well be a series of tech demos if it was shown at the conference. Not going to be anything crazy, though...
 

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Do you mean the Doctor V64 or the Z64?
It was the CD64 Plus.

That's the CD64 by Super UFO. I still have one mine. Great piece of hardware minus the heat generated by the enclosed space with CD drive + power circuitry. I don't use it nearly enough. :(
Unfortunately - just tried to power mine up and the CD-Rom work and allows to eject and insert discs but shortly after the light goes out and the disc is not read,. Seems something is broken. Not that it matters - have not touched it in over 10 years
 
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So how do they "find" these things? I live like 15 minutes away from Nintendo of America HQ down in Redmond. Can I just walk in and "find something?" I wonder... If I drove down there and dug around their dumpsters, what would I find??
Dumpsters are a thing, however that is often done as part of corporate espionage so be careful. Equally you will probably not find much other than boring office/factory stuff.

Some will actively contact people, others might be well known enough in a community for someone to reach out to (and not necessarily for engineering skills).
Otherwise when devs go bankrupt then not all bankruptcy agents will do things properly and things get out that way. This is where quite a few dev kits get found. Bonus is some bankruptcy places might just throw such things in the skip they bring in to clear the place.
Certain devs within companies or executives will get these things and neglect to return them to be destroyed if they fail.
Trade shows are nightmares to run so companies get brought in to handle them. Another potential source for things to get lost in the shuffle.
Other times they will be straight up stolen and avoid the shredder that way.
If it is built somewhere then you might have little ghost shift or beta/"broken" board thing get assembled or fixed up. Companies know this so programming might happen under stricter controls or things might happen in a few different factories.

With the internet then people sometimes realise what they have, especially when it is several years on and now people care -- nobody would really care if I had a custom colour 360 that microsoft decided not to release, I find a N64 with a never released but official custom shell and the kids would go nuts for some reason.
You occasionally get wives and kids selling off things at garage sales when people die but I certainly would not advocate going around looking for beta/unreleased stuff. If you are already buying games at such sales then go for it (I hear it is getting hard out there) but unless you have serious money to burn then I have not really got any good methods.

Short version if you do have some money or some time but not enough to go manual
Watch auction sites.
Watch local selling places (craigslist, facebook selling groups).
Figure out what sorts of forums normal people will find to ask about this sort of thing. I doubt many would come here, http://assemblergames.com/l/ on the other hand...
If you have electronics recycling/dumps then let them know you will pay for such things (I have mainly only dealt in scrap metal and cars/industrial equipment around there, however the area is full of burned out hippies so there are several things handling types of electronics recycling). You will not be the only one though. Some of these things do not look pretty and if someone can't find a listing on ebay or something they will assume it is worthless tat and chuck it.
If you know house/estate clearance people then ask them. If you are collecting records, old books or furniture this is harder as others have figured this out before you but I do not know how many people tap them for games at the source. These sorts of people deal in bulk though so you will probably be buying a lot of crap (though stuff you could probably still sell) if you do head down this path.

Obviously you live in a good place for it but at the same time you face a variation on the silicon valley restaurant problem -- years ago it was noted that silicon valley was the place to be for tech, however as jobs were harder to come by then the people working in restaurants were likely as not to be new graduates with serious skills. Couple of devs sit down and think no pleb will understand what we are talking about, they were wrong and security/industrial espionage knew this and took advantage of it. If you lived in Minnesota then yeah you can probably get anything like that which comes up, not that it ever would really. Western Washington though is a different matter and there are probably self employed/work from home types with a "be there in 15 minutes" window and have a bunch of cash in hand.
 
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Short version of the post above me :

im sure he found it in a trashcan
 
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We don't know what's inside, but maybe we can dump it?
I've made a little thread about this floppy, it's here:
http://gbatemp.net/threads/how-to-dump-64dd-floppys.434675/#post-6535003
I don't want to advertise myself or anything, but noone has thinked about it this way. Please, if you know something about dumping these floppys, say it in the thread that I made or in this thread (I've noticed it only now) and maybe email this guy. Maybe with the help of the modding community we can take a look at what's inside this little cardridge.
 
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