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lets confirm that gateway is wrong in prizing their card at an abnormaly high price so thats the fault from gateway, But r4i is wron in cloning their firmware (aldo not 1:1)

this whole problem could be avoided if gateways card wasnt so pricey but it is and thats the reason why manny people choose the cheaper card with the same features cuz is cloning gateway. taking the risk of bricking the 3ds
 

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People are mad at *gateway* for 3DSLink and R4i bricking their console?


No, they're mad at Gateway for not alerting people at the launch of the new firmware that it contained Trojan-like code that could deliberately destroy your console. Instead they waited until they figured out people where using a modified launcher that wasn't related to clones, then released information that STILL did not reveal what they had up their sleeves.

I'm kinda glad R4 and others fell for this, because now maybe they'll start presenting their own work, but it's unacceptable to think that some of their legitimate customers have also fallen for this.
 

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But seriously if you are angry at GW3ds when it was a clone cart that bricked your 3ds, time to re-evaluate your morals.


IF you were using a GW3DS original launcher, an actual GW3ds, and still got bricked, well then I'm sure everyone would side against GW immedaitely. The thing is GW ONLY guarenteed the safety of consoles of people using their own flashcart. They made no promise about clone carts.
 
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Not to mention a bunch of people pissed off that they had to take a step back......just because some of the people here didn't get bricked don't assume they aren't only interested in using a cloned GW launcher and are pissed of that gateway tried to protect it....hence loads of bitching until they get another FW update for their clone...then they will no doubt go back try trolling saying how amazing they are that they can use gateway FW but saved a few dollars
 

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its all fair in love and war
beyond all those assumptions,accusations and people taking both sites we must consider if the bricks do happened at first and secondly what the background of user of them is ,i am sceptical as i saw many hoaxes ,or dirty tricks over net
 

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Trust me the whole thing is a pointless debate....the clones won't suddenly learn how to code....they will just wait for others to make a patch that disables the bricking code...then rip that off too, people with clones are pissed off right now as they assumed gateway was giving them a free lunch
 

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Why did they fuck up the NAND so badly? Why not replace first X-bytes of NAND with a HEX-message about clones and save the original bytes to SD-card or something? Annoying, yes. Hard to fix, no. Zero confidence for clones, still yes.

This is where I get annoyed.
 

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Why did they fuck up the NAND so badly? Why not replace first X-bytes of NAND with a HEX-message about clones and save the original bytes to SD-card or something? Annoying, yes. Hard to fix, no. Zero confidence for clones, still yes.

This is where I get annoyed.

A personal favorite I have is destroying the nand to a point where you can do all of 2 things. Open a NDS game, open system settings menu.
And include a .3ds rom that only runs on an original GW3ds that will fix it. Instant boost in sales, and clones lose customers.
 
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lets see:
  • bricking the flashcart
  • freezing the games
  • messing with savegames
  • distorting the picture
  • constant high pitched sound
  • constantly randomly switching the screen brightness
who can come up with more fun ones?

A 1/50 chance of corrupt the saves? After a while people won't have any trust in clones and actually buy Gateway.
 

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Why did they fuck up the NAND so badly? Why not replace first X-bytes of NAND with a HEX-message about clones and save the original bytes to SD-card or something? Annoying, yes. Hard to fix, no. Zero confidence for clones, still yes.

This is where I get annoyed.


Yeah I agree here, I don't think the console should of been made unrecoverable....but until the code is clearly looked into, it could be that something like this could of been the plan, but the mods to the FW kinda f**ked it up......I still don't think it's been 100% proven that the code specifically breaks the eMMC as far as I'm aware. May just be that someone tried with a incompatible card reader, or someone decided to troll people
 

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A personal favorite I have is destroying the nand to a point where you can do all of 2 things. Open a NDS game, open system settings menu.
And include a .3ds rom that only runs on an original GW3ds that will fix it. Instant boost in sales, and clones lose customers.


I thought of that but since NAND is encrypted it's probably impossible? But it would be awesome.
 

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Oh, I finally came up with a good analogy! This is like Apple coding OS X to literally blow up your entire PC if you ever tried to install hackintosh (a modded version of OS X that can run on regular PCs) or mod it in any way. That shit would NOT go over well.
 
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I would say you are right if someone behind clone team revealed the brick code and informed the 3ds community. But instead some unfortunate users experienced those bricks and we learnd it hard way. Gateway's action was harsh, but the clone teams action was rather pathetic. How can anyone be okay with using a product of a team which seems to have no info about what they are doing?

With an action this harsh now people won't forget that the team behind clones is not knowledgeable. And now everyone knows this.
 

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It's a shady business, anyone expecting a clean fight must of been delusional

Competition has long been bitter but this is new, not to mention these circles are smaller than many would know.

If true (I personally can't prove it), this would be a PR disaster. Well, ordinarily. But .. a device like this.. meh. Remember that Simpsons episode where Lisa gets branded as a bad babysitter.. then a day later people still want her services?

As I mentioned elsewhere, Nintendo allowed code in Sin & Punishment N64 ROM that would wipe a Doctor V64 BIOS. So think about that and see if it changes your opinion about Gateway's ethics compared to the practices of a seemingly more "reputable" company.

I had never heard of that Sin and Punishment stuff before, I shall have to read up on it.

Cause flashcards are 3rd party and illegal anyway.
Nothing you can do about it.

Pirate and face the consequences or go completely legit and worry about nothing.

3rd party/unlicensed sure. Illegal can vary with jurisdiction.

as for the second line and worry about nothing except region locking, save locking, save transfer prevention, lack of game modification and more besides.
 

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How about this analogy:
Person A always has a peanut butter sandwich in his lunch. (The sandwich being the GW launcher)
Person B has a peanut allergy, He forgot his lunch one day. (The allergy being the clone's ability to brick due to disabling checksum checks)
Person B steals Person A's lunch (Copying the launcher)
Person A tells person B that the sandwich contains peanunts (The GW team warning to not modify their launcher)
Person B eats it anyways, and dies due to his severe allergy of peanuts (The modified clone launcher bricking a 3ds)
Person B's friends (Buyers of clone carts) get angry at person A despite him not deliberatly poisoning person B.


Who is in the wrong here?

Your analogy sucks, and I've got a better one for you:

Person A steals sandwiches from one location, and sells them at a large markup to hungry people at another place
Person B notices this, and attempts to copy his method, and offers his sandwiches at a lower price (undercutting Person A).
Buyers are pleased at the choice, and pleased at Person Bs lower prices.
Person A is pissed that Person B is copying his method and calls person B a "theif"
One day, Person A pours an unidentified substance onto his sandwhiches before selling them
Person B notices this, and attempts to do the same thing by stealing some of Person As "substance" during the night, and pouring it onto his own sandwiches
The next day, all of Person Bs customers die from cyonide poisoning. Person A laughs and says he switched the canister
Person A says he feels no remorose at all the deaths since he says he wasn't involved directly, and says Person Bs customers were "thieves" anyway

In the above example, Person A is the asshole.
 

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