Do you think piracy hurts the gaming industry?
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Jolan said:
Simple, they make money selling hardware. They make money off the privilege of having their name on the games people make FOR the Nintendo company's hardware.
What I want to know, is how are the people that make the fucking crap games doing it?
I mean, the games are so obviously crap so often. Yet no one is having any trouble making crap games year after year after year. I have seen crap Nintendo DS games arrive yearly in bucket loads since at least 2006.
There has to be some secrets we are not being told eh. If the super ease with which a DS title can be downloaded was genuinely harmful, I'd have thought they would have stopped being able to convince to make games for it long ago.
because of piracy Nintendo decide to sell special editions of consoles
oh yeah?
whoever said "Nintendo should secure there games, FYI
THEY DID, its just that the fact that because of flashcart groups and smart people of the net, we've been able to crack their AP
oh yeah?
whoever said "Nintendo should secure there games, FYI
THEY DID, its just that the fact that because of flashcart groups and smart people of the net, we've been able to crack their AP
amen to your post #51 BakuFunn, I'd quote it but it's huge. I agree mostly with you as someone who used to be in the field of making games for a couple years. You're right, but and it's no justification, as I was a thief too (gave it up), the stores and in a way game companies brought it on themselves too. Stores and game companies colluded to no longer allow returns on new games if you felt they were shit. in the USA(for our Int'l readers) EB Games and the now Gamestop(then Software etc) allowed returns for up to 1 week if it sucked for store credit. Game companies didn't like it, the retailer didn't care as much but it was a bummer having to reseal or send back the stuff for resealing, so eventually game companies banned returns forcing stores to stop it. So they worked together to give people less options, and adding insult to it were advertisements made out as preview/reviews(still done far worse today now) and a nearly entire lack of game demos, and most that were made didn't represent the game right selling on a lie.
Combining fake demo quality with the banning of the return option on anything but used games caused a lot of piracy reasons to expand other than your usual band of cheap assholes who refuse to pay for a damn thing whether they can afford it or not. It opened the door to people who have lost 100s or 1000s of dollars on dogshit on a chip or disc, pissed off with nowhere to turn but other than to steal to test, then buy or deny. I personally still will do this with handheld games on occasion if I'm uncertain as GBA and DS games are small and the emulators are powerful, and for dead systems (SNES) and so on I'll do it before buying from the resale market (shops, swapmeet, etc.) Some people are just pissed they had their choices taken away turning the gaming market (and movies/audio too) into a unique niche of fuck you to the face purchasing based entirely on a gamble. Sure you don't like those pants you bought, sure here's your money back. What, Halo sucks to you? Drop dead we don't take returns...ARGH! It's not right.
See now I'm not justifying what I or others do, but I am pointing out the system was there over 10years ago and was taken away by greedy assholes looking to shaft the consumer. Media is a distinct market where nothing is in your favor unless you borrow, rent, or steal it first to see if it fits your needs because once you pay you're stuck with it. My turnabout on most of it these days now as I said I rarely do it anymore and limited to retro stuff and DS(very rare) is I buy used because I can return the turds. As a perk it gives the finger to the game companies who put out so much shit they've burned my trust in them to the ground.
Combining fake demo quality with the banning of the return option on anything but used games caused a lot of piracy reasons to expand other than your usual band of cheap assholes who refuse to pay for a damn thing whether they can afford it or not. It opened the door to people who have lost 100s or 1000s of dollars on dogshit on a chip or disc, pissed off with nowhere to turn but other than to steal to test, then buy or deny. I personally still will do this with handheld games on occasion if I'm uncertain as GBA and DS games are small and the emulators are powerful, and for dead systems (SNES) and so on I'll do it before buying from the resale market (shops, swapmeet, etc.) Some people are just pissed they had their choices taken away turning the gaming market (and movies/audio too) into a unique niche of fuck you to the face purchasing based entirely on a gamble. Sure you don't like those pants you bought, sure here's your money back. What, Halo sucks to you? Drop dead we don't take returns...ARGH! It's not right.
See now I'm not justifying what I or others do, but I am pointing out the system was there over 10years ago and was taken away by greedy assholes looking to shaft the consumer. Media is a distinct market where nothing is in your favor unless you borrow, rent, or steal it first to see if it fits your needs because once you pay you're stuck with it. My turnabout on most of it these days now as I said I rarely do it anymore and limited to retro stuff and DS(very rare) is I buy used because I can return the turds. As a perk it gives the finger to the game companies who put out so much shit they've burned my trust in them to the ground.
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Vampire Hunter D hit the nail on the head, whats more, you are stuck with it AND you don't even own rights to do with it as you want.
We all know piracy can hurt companies (Dreamcast maybe? some more than others). We also know it can help companies (PS2 and DS anyone?)
But when game companies are posting record profits off 1 game making more than the highest grossing movie ever, you know damn well piracy isn't as bad as they make it out to be. If a person thinks something is good and finds the value worth the price, people generally will shell out the money, even if they can/have pirated it beforehand. There are exceptions to every rule of course, but that number is smaller than they try to pass off.
They tend to have that attitude of we should have sold X number of copies of this, and we only sold Y. Then they say X-Y=Z ppl didn't buy it, so they must have pirated it.
We all know piracy can hurt companies (Dreamcast maybe? some more than others). We also know it can help companies (PS2 and DS anyone?)
But when game companies are posting record profits off 1 game making more than the highest grossing movie ever, you know damn well piracy isn't as bad as they make it out to be. If a person thinks something is good and finds the value worth the price, people generally will shell out the money, even if they can/have pirated it beforehand. There are exceptions to every rule of course, but that number is smaller than they try to pass off.
They tend to have that attitude of we should have sold X number of copies of this, and we only sold Y. Then they say X-Y=Z ppl didn't buy it, so they must have pirated it.
im pirate cuz of retarded sweden. Metroid prime other M will on realse cost 82,84$ (650sek) at our gamestop stores.
Sweden have extra high taxes on video games... and they are thinking on rise it from 82,84 for a new game up to 127,44$ for new games. FOR ALL CONSOLES GAMES!
EDIT: There will always be piracy since there will always exist some awsome but poor hackers that can't afford all new good games that they want to play
Sweden have extra high taxes on video games... and they are thinking on rise it from 82,84 for a new game up to 127,44$ for new games. FOR ALL CONSOLES GAMES!
EDIT: There will always be piracy since there will always exist some awsome but poor hackers that can't afford all new good games that they want to play
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I'm a student, so I simply can't afford to buy games.
But, when a real good game releases, I tend to buy it to support them.
I bought all monkey island games on steam, even tho I can just pirate them.
I also tend to buy games when it has some extra stuff in it.
For example, I bought Guitar Hero DS when it came out.
And ofcourse, if steam has some sales, I buy the good games.
Because, yea, I think it hurts the gaming industry.
But, when a real good game releases, I tend to buy it to support them.
I bought all monkey island games on steam, even tho I can just pirate them.
I also tend to buy games when it has some extra stuff in it.
For example, I bought Guitar Hero DS when it came out.
And ofcourse, if steam has some sales, I buy the good games.
Because, yea, I think it hurts the gaming industry.
The amount of people who were stupid enough to buy those awful games, but also managed to muster enough intellect to pirate games is incredibly small I'm sure. In fact, I would wager that douche-y policies have not had any sort of relevant effect on piracy.Vampire Hunter D said:
You underestimate how dumb pretty much their entire user base is.
There's alot of people out there that rag on people who pirate games but I wonder what they'd do face to face... If you were strongly opposed to piracy and you met someone in person who was pirating, what would you do? It's easy to talk big on an internet forum and rant about someone "stealing" a game, but what about in person...?
Oh and while I really don't condone piracy I don't really care about it either. I can and do pirate many DS games but if I like them I tend to buy them. I actually play my legit cartridges more than my flashcart. If I see someone pirating a game I won't bother with it. To each their own.
Oh and while I really don't condone piracy I don't really care about it either. I can and do pirate many DS games but if I like them I tend to buy them. I actually play my legit cartridges more than my flashcart. If I see someone pirating a game I won't bother with it. To each their own.
It's looking like the PS3 might have won the fight. The hacker has quit.
Why do I download Nintendo DS games? simple, they suck large 9 times out of 10. At 40 bucks a go, I'd rather download it first thank you. I'm not paying 40 bucks a game with a 90% chance of being crap.
Now in the case of the PS3, no loss. I have yet to find a single PS3 game I want. So it not being cracked is not even relevant.
Why do I download Nintendo DS games? simple, they suck large 9 times out of 10. At 40 bucks a go, I'd rather download it first thank you. I'm not paying 40 bucks a game with a 90% chance of being crap.
Now in the case of the PS3, no loss. I have yet to find a single PS3 game I want. So it not being cracked is not even relevant.
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