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US deports hundreds of Venezuelans to El Salvador, despite judge's order

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Venezuela says it will not stop until it secures the return of the migrants "kidnapped" in El Salvador. These migrants, who have not been proven guilty, have been transferred to a high-security prison. The Venezuelan government warns its citizens against traveling to the United States, considering it "unsafe." The United States maintains that the Venezuelans sent to El Salvador are part of the Tren de Aragua, a criminal organization.

The Venezuelan government rejects the US accusation, stating that it unfairly criminalizes migrants. They assert that the law used by the United States to deport these individuals is obsolete and violates both US law and human rights. Jorge Rodríguez, the Venezuelan government's chief negotiator, insisted that it will not rest until the migrants are returned.

More than 200 alleged members of the Tren de Aragua have been deported to El Salvador without concrete evidence. Salvadoran President Nayib Bukele confirmed their arrival at a prison that can hold 40,000 inmates. Former US President Donald Trump used a 1798 law to facilitate these deportations, although a federal judge had previously blocked it. The judge explained that the legislation refers to hostile acts by another country and is not applicable in this case.

Bukele announced that the deportees will be held in questionable conditions, without access to legal defense. The NGO Provea warned about the lack of guarantees for the rights of these migrants. A video shows the detainees chained and being led away by armed police.

In addition, the US and El Salvador governments have signed a six million dollar agreement to imprison 300 members of the Tren de Aragua gang for one year. The Trump administration has stated that this agreement is part of its strategy against illegal immigration. However, a report mentions that deportations have decreased under the current administration. The Maduro government criticizes the use of this law to deport migrants, arguing that it violates their rights.

Source: https://www.euronews.com/2025/03/16...nezuelans-to-el-salvador-despite-judges-order
 
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Holy, shit. The whole world is fucking retarded now.

1) Kicking them out of our country is violating their right? What right? He thinks they have the right to enter a foreign country without permission?
2) Way to not understand a report and take it completely out of context (but I know... you take it as the MSM spins it). Yes there were less by raw numbers, because illegal border crossings have PLUMMETED. Most of Biden's deportations happened at the border (and there were far too few, if you ask better than 70% of the country). Most of last month's deportations were from the interior of the US.
 
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This deportation action is essentially a poster child case: violent criminals from an adverse South American country. It's hard to imagine less-sympathetic targets for deportation. That should be an easy win, a layup for trump's let's-deport-the-brown-people brand.

But no, they had other plans. Instead of going through the normal process to deport these probably-indefensible individuals, the brain trust decided to use this as a test case. Here's their brilliant plan: go about it completely illegally, then spit in the federal courts' eye when they try to get a handle on the situation. At the moment the headline is that a trump administration lawyer balked when asked about the administration's compliance with the Court's order to immediately halt the relevant deportation actions.

That lawyer is going to get (an avalanche of) ethics complaints, and very likely could be disbarred as a consequence of this action.

And the courts are now on notice: this administration blows off court orders. That will invite more strenuous and more restrictive remedies from the courts. In advance.

I certainly understand that if you want to mass deport people from America the body of federal caselaw and perhaps the federal courts themselves are going to be a significant roadblock. But there's no endgame where you get rid of the courts, or somehow cow them into compliance (without something like a legislative supermajority). The DOJ is making intonations about removing this judge. They can't do that. They have no path to do that. In essence, they're flailing incoherently.

This is a messaging test case, not an actual test case that conceivably could lead to the legal changes the trump administration purportedly wants. Now trump, and his retarded acolytes will whine and complain about the evil judges conspiring against him. I suppose they're always in need of additional excuses for why trump is such an ineffective moron, but this particular plan will surely cause practical frustration to their deportation operations.

Expect the number of theatrical deportation attempts to decline, and the number of actual resulting deportations to decline (further).
 
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urherenow said:
Holy, shit. The whole world is fucking retarded now.

1) Kicking them out of our country is violating their right? What right? He thinks they have the right to enter a foreign country without permission?
2) Way to not understand a report and take it completely out of context (but I know... you take it as the MSM spins it). Yes there were less by raw numbers, because illegal border crossings have PLUMMETED. Most of Biden's deportations happened at the border (and there were far too few, if you ask better than 70% of the country). Most of last month's deportations were from the interior of the US.
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The US constitution guarantees every human (not citizen of the US of A, every human) that is on US soil due process and the ability to seek legal counsel. Neither of which was provided to the deportees.

Maybe if you're so patriotic you should actually learn about the laws that govern the place instead of listening to TV hosts, philosophy mayors, and business men that steal from kids cancer charities on what they think the law says.
 
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urherenow said:
Holy, shit. The whole world is fucking retarded now.

1) Kicking them out of our country is violating their right? What right? He thinks they have the right to enter a foreign country without permission?
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"Kicking them out", so to speak, isn't the issue nearly as much as the potential ethical and Constitutional rights violations, since they're being exported without due process, a trial, or even proven guilt/association in all cases. If the government tried to deport you or me (assuming we were from a different country), we could contest that in court if we wanted to and go through due process as is our right. These people were stripped of that, which is the big concern here.

Also of concern is the Trump administration's hesitancy to comply with court orders which, if left unchecked or allowed to continue, signals a major breach in the power balance of the U.S. government.

Not that there already isn't an imbalance, nor is it an accident that boundaries over Presidential authority keep getting pushed and tested every day, but it's worth noting nevertheless. It even prompted a response from the Supreme Court, as I'm sure you're aware, which doesn't happen often.
 
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Xzi said:
The law he was trying to invoke from the 1700s was also the same one used to justify Japanese internment camps in the US. No amount of mental gymnastics can excuse that.
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Was the law revoked, or reversed by the Supreme Court? Nope. Roosevelt misused that law, as there was no legit argument for a foreign government facilitating an 'incursion' as Trump says there has been with the Venezuelan government and Tren de Aragua. As for whether Trump's use of the law is valid has yet to be tested, but the law itself is still valid and just because a President abused it 80 years ago doesn't mean it can never be invoked again. The law wasn't stained, Roosevelt was (or should have been, but he died first).


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Also of concern is the Trump administration's hesitancy to comply with court orders which, if left unchecked or allowed to continue, signals a major breach in the power balance of the U.S. government.
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"The Supreme Court blocked it, but that didn't stop me." - Joe Biden

Were you objecting to that declaration a year ago? Didn't think so.

You can call that whataboutism if you like, but I call it setting a precedent. One that made Americans numb to one more thing.

And don't forget Lincoln ignored the Supreme Court too (not just a District Judge) and locked up one SCOTUS Justice.
 
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Hanafuda said:
Was the law revoked, or reversed by the Supreme Court?
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Lol, as if that's the big issue here. A president whose politics are stuck in the 18th century is fucking worthless, and certainly not ever going to accomplish anything positive for 21st century America.

Hanafuda said:
As for whether Trump's use of the law is valid has yet to be tested, but the law itself is still valid and just because a President abused it 80 years ago doesn't mean it can never be invoked again.
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Granting himself broad power to declare anybody he wants to be a member of a foreign gang nobody has ever heard of just so he can deport them? Yeah, totally valid and definitely not something a manchild like Trump would ever abuse. /s
 
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Hanafuda said:
"The Supreme Court blocked it, but that didn't stop me." - Joe Biden

Were you objecting to that declaration a year ago? Didn't think so.
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I'm not talking about Biden or my views towards his decisions as President, nor am I interested in comparing one tired old man with another. My allegiance lies with no one individual, party, philosophy, or agenda. And even if it did, I would choose a much better hill to die on than the Biden presidency.

My concern with this situation is the repeated and deliberate pattern of testing the limits of executive authority. Biden's comment you referenced was comparatively one-off--although the government was very split during his term, the headbutting Biden faced with the Supreme Court isn't even remotely comparable to what's happening now.

I'll get sources if you'd like to support anything I'm saying here, but there have been calls from both Trump himself and key players in his administration (including Musk) using their authority and influence to call for impeachment of justices and judges simply for ruling against their party. There has already been substantial shifts in the power balance of the three branches of government, many of which is unprecedented in recent history. Much of what is happening today was carefully outlined in detail in the Project 2025 manifesto among other related documents. It isn't unreasonable to suggest a correlation, given how closely the Trump Administration is following the P25 playbook. My concern is about power and the checks/balances system in the government--not comparing Trump to Biden for the millionth time. That's just silly.

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You can call that whataboutism if you like, but I call it setting a precedent. One that made Americans numb to one more thing.
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It is absolutely whataboutism as well as a false equivalency taken out of context. Again, Biden's comment was a one-off statement by a comparatively complicit and abiding President. This is loose correlation at best with no supporting evidence whatsoever.
Hanafuda said:
And don't forget Lincoln ignored the Supreme Court too (not just a District Judge) and locked up one SCOTUS Justice.
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I feel like I really shouldn't have to explain the drastic differences in circumstances between Lincoln's decisions and Trump's.
Lincoln did not lock up any SCOTUS judge (of which I'm assuming you're referring to Supreme Justice Roger Taney). The Justice butted heads with Lincoln but no "locking up" ever occurred, as most historians have testified.
Lincoln was also acting in unprecedented wartime when he made the decision and was focusing on aggressive wartime tactics around this confrontation--not acting on behalf of an elite ruling class or reshaping the governmental power structure to best benefit himself. Please observe the surrounding context before making a comparison like this in the future.

Another false equivalency claim, easily disprovable and taken far out of any reasonable context.
 
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OK, I understand there are MANY Illegals who enter the US to have a better Life for themselves, and-or their Families. They should be given the chance for a better Life.

However, that being said, it has been well established in Hearings that Cartel Members, Traffickers (either in People, or Exotic Substances) that slip into the Country as well, even Paying to not get Identified. Also those who have ended the Lives of so many, who have Arrest Orders, along with those who have already gone through the Legal System and have been Ordered by Judges to be Deported, but come right back thanks to the Left.
So these People who have been determined to be part of Criminal Groups, or have a Record like no other....there are those supporting and aiding them to stay?????? THOSE Criminals seriously need to be in Prison and Deported, but so many are getting Triggered, not wanting to do that, to keep those Illegals in the US. WHY??????? You support Women and Children being Trafficked? You support the Dealers selling to Kids? Bringing Weapons into the Country selling to Gangs and their Friends?????
 
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They should be given the chance for a better Life.

However, that being said, it has been well established in Hearings that Cartel Members,
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Trump deported them without due process. There many of them that don't even have a criminal record.

You don't get to just go vanish people that you think are gang members or terrorists.
 
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