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I would argue that both the left and right wings can be good, as long as they aren't extremist and completely cut off any sort of contact from the other side other than constantly throwing insults on them -- or worse.

Both extreme sides are bad and infect online social media - for example Reddit pushes leftist ideals to the point of being extremely obvious (e.g. they banned r/WhyMenLiveLonger but not r/WhyWomenLiveLonger and they still didn't ban r/HermanCainAward for gloryfing the deaths of people) -- and we all see how Twitter is after the buyout.

Both extreme sides also push the rhetoric that if you don't join their side, the apocalypse will happen and constantly fearmonger.

In my case, I prefer discussion that's slightly right wing but as long as you don't devolve into unproductive arguing over everything and start bringing politics and the culture war to places where it should NOT belong, I'll still listen to your opinion.
 
I'm now a bit more confused than before I made this thread both because of whatever is going on in it and because I saw @impeeza complain about the left wing sometimes.
 
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I'm now a bit more confused than before I made this thread both because of whatever is going on in it and because I saw @impeeza complain about the left wing sometimes.
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The long and short of it is, that you will not get a straight answer to this question as everyone has their own beliefs on which side is "good." I am more toward the downward Left, so my opinions are biased toward the Left, with strong views against the upper parts of the political compass. Thus, if I were to give you a "yes, the left is good," that would come from a place of bias. Just like much of the "the left is bad" is coming from a bias.

I honestly suggest researching this stuff, then assessing your own values and seeing where they line up. That's not really the easiest or even best method but if you are asking questions, you need to start from what you know and work from there.
 
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supermist said:
You earned the disrespect thrown your way due to making unsubstantiated claims and generalizations about a marginalized group. Deal with it, snowflake.
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Its so fun and irony,leftist wokies talking about respect&honor 🤣.

Since 8 years you dont that,you use your dei powers to harras&shadowbanned to the people that have different opinions and choice.

Note: Yes im aware i put the word "wokies" =wokes. Its better word choice 🤙
 
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JaNDeRPeiCH said:
Its so fun and irony,leftist wokies talking about respect&honor 🤣.

Since 8 years you dont that,you use your dei powers to harras&shadowbanned to the people that have different opinions and choice.

Note: Yes im aware i put the word "wokies" =wokes. Its better word choice 🤙
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Grass is lovely when you touch it
 
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JaNDeRPeiCH said:
Its so fun and irony,leftist wokies talking about respect&honor 🤣.

Since 8 years you dont that,you use your dei powers to harras&shadowbanned to the people that have different opinions and choice.

Note: Yes im aware i put the word "wokies" =wokes. Its better word choice 🤙
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What a fucking weirdo
 
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The Catboy said:
I honestly suggest researching this stuff, then assessing your own values and seeing where they line up. That's not really the easiest or even best method but if you are asking questions, you need to start from what you know and work from there.
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Ok I still think that the left wing is good (atleast in theory) bc its in favor of people's rights and people in this site hate the right wing
 
No wing is inherently "good" or "bad." The reason for this is simply that people regularly disagree on what constitutes "good" or "bad." The best we can do is try to come to an overwhelming majority decision on what fits into each category. Everything else should be considered a moral gray. As an example, I think the overwhelming majority of people can agree that murdering an innocent person is a moral wrong. However, when it comes to where political ideologies align, there is often times a lot of nuance. Additionally, human beings aren't always good at observing data, so even when it comes to something that may be good or bad from a logical stand point, many of us will still disagree with what such a verdict implies.

Additionally, I think there is often a huge misunderstanding of what individuals themselves believe, because a lot of people tend to associate themselves and others as part of a certain tribe or way of thinking these days. This alone causes a lot of misconceptions about the people who may GENERALLY align with an ideology, but they may still have ideas that divert from it.

All in all, I think the best we can do is simply try to view others as individuals, first and foremost, and try to disconnect them with any ideology until you actually get to know them and how they come to their conclusions. Simply thinking in the scope of what constitutes "good" and "bad" will often lead to a narrow way of thinking, because it will often come from one's own preconceived notions.
 
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Exidous said:
Left and right don't have any inherent meaning as applied to policy or politics. "Imaginary" is overselling it, but those directions are just a shorthand for identifying each side of a binary political divide, as commonly emerges in political systems.

The shorthand started in the French Revolution, in the revolutionary congress, with those generally supporting not murdering the clergy and the aristocracy literally sitting on the right side of the room, and those generally supporting chopping heads off sitting on the left side.

It gets even stupider when framed like OP did in this thread, saying one side is good and the other is bad. Which is overlaying an overlay with tribalism.

Hasn't gone well, has it?
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The divide doesn't reflect reality, so ya it doesn't work out.
 
lordofcombo said:
Relatively speaking,left is somewhat slightly better than the right (bush,trump)
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There is no Left equivalent to those two or any president in the US. Contrary to the paranoid beliefs of much of the US, there is effectively no Left Wing presence in the US government. What most Americans call "Leftists" is just someone who is barely Left of the most extremes
 
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Relatively speaking,left is somewhat slightly better than the right (bush,trump)
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Not really, your first hint is that Bush was at Biden inauguration. The democrats spend more money on campaigns, think tanks, manipulation and news articles... that is 100% of the reason many people think they are somehow the good guys.
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There is no Left equivalent to those two or any president in the US. Contrary to the paranoid beliefs of much of the US, there is effectively no Left Wing presence in the US government. What most Americans call "Leftists" is just someone who is barely Left of the most extremes
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The point is, what the fuck does that even mean? Originally it was just right was traditional and left was not, which has no bearing on what is good or not. I could make an argument that Trump is left wing if I cherry picked, but who the fuck cares? To me its just lazy to use these labels and others that people throw around.
 
Simple... Both are equally good or bad.
Both sides have good Arguments. So why chose a wing? Make up your own mind. If you agree with some of both sides, take the middle seat..
If you think that only left and right exists, you are blind or not much educated.

So i am in the middle seat. Not blind in both directions.
 
Oliver-Hoschi said:
Simple... Both are equally good or bad.
Both sides have good Arguments. So why chose a wing? Make up your own mind. If you agree with some of both sides, take the middle seat..
If you think that only left and right exists, you are blind or not much educated.

So i am in the middle seat. Not blind in both directions.
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Sad thing is to the left the mid or anything but the left is considered the right, a nazi, neonazi and a white supremecist. Also they will state that you are in echo chamber when you get your info from all sides but that is self projection as they love to be in echo chambers, I mean look at them trying to make bluesky as the twitter before Elon where it was an echo chamber.

I mean left is nothing but self projection like crazy like they are using POC as tools for the politics, I mean almost every time time anyone push DEI or any outhority over black rights is usually a white person or white person in power and used as clout, defense and the free money from the government.

I mean they even tried the same with the latin community and as soon as latinx was pushed they wised up as they knew that it was push to use them as a political tool, I mean did they not realise that the latin community have experience with corrupt government and leaders over the centuries, they can smell they are being used a mile away.

You can say you are middle or center, it is nothing but any words from you as the right.
 
The left and right aren't constant, the "left" in the U.S. would be the "right" in Europe, for example.
Also, the current "right" in the U.S. has shifted further right. Think of John McCain, he would have opposed everything the right is doing today.

In my opinion neither side is good or bad, I have opinions that align with the left on some issues, and others that align more with the right.
That is why I believe that a two party system hurts democracy. They'll have you believe that there are only two sides, but it's more complicated, there are many nuances, and we should be able to pick what we want more accurately, at least for a first turn.

The only thing I would be looking out for as "bad" is populism. Aka politicians that promises the moon, "against" the elite (even though they are themselves from said elite) and tell people what they want to hear, rather than what is. These tend to sit at the far-left and far-right of the political spectrum.
They may be charismatic, often popular, but they're not going there to help you. Instead they will essentialize whenever they can, looking for a target to point at rather than looking for solutions. Anything goes wrong? Look, it's THEIR fault...
Those aren't that hard to figure out. Just ask yourself, these things they're telling me to get angry about, is it going to make my life better tomorrow, is it going to help me or my friends make ends meet?

These days there is so much in the current political debate that feels manufactured, like it's just there to keep us angry at each other, rather than looking at systemic issues in our society and addressing them with a cool head.
 
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LoggerMan said:
Australia is very left wing and life is good here. Live is easy compared to the U.S. or India or whatever else.
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Unless you consider how bloody EXPENSIVE everything is here, as an Aussie. Fuck that; just a basic Woolworths shopping trip costs several hundred dollars, these days, let alone renting a decent home.

When I went to Japan in October, I was very surprised by just how cheap things were over there, compared to here at home. Sooo much better, Japan was, financially speaking. I could get a lot more from a Japanese 7-Eleven than I could from an Aussie one for the same relative price.
 
Notice how everyone is super happy to argue left vs right until their last breath and completely forget that it is exactly what the politicians want you to do so that you don't notice, no matter which party they are, continually funnel all of your money into their pockets, making you poorer and blame eachother instead of them.
 
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