Stories of these 'Public Domain' SNES roms

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Hello!
I wanted to hear people sharing their memories concerning these various obscure 'Public Domain' Snes roms that were shared in the beginning of the Internet.
If I understand well, there was a lot of sharing via BBSes (bulletin board system) and there was even 'magazines' about the scene back in the time (ex. Console World).

Very open topic, I invite you to talk about this here.
 

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Public domain as in homebrew, that being the term of choice before public domain was realised to be a legal term and perhaps not what was wanted. You may also see it as P.D. at the end of roms, and is the reason the old homebrew collator pdroms.de has its name.

Some emulator sites would link them rather than ROMs, and would appear on ROM sites as well.

Most of the time they were image slideshows (possibly pornographic) or basic games (sliding puzzles being several I remember, push the box/sokoban and weak breakout clones) as you both have limited hardware and are probably writing in assembly.

I don't know that I viewed anything like homebrew today but I also had a C64 and typed things out of magazines, and had an Amiga which was fairly open as these things go (basically a PC/there is a reason people call them home computers). Said Amiga also saw me see plenty of intros/cracktros/trainers but I never followed along to demoscene (mostly because I did very limited things with BBS, most things there being real world copied discs because that was how it was done/dialing an American or mainland Europe BBS from the UK would be hideously expensive).



After that I appeared again for the GBA when I got a flash cart and homebrew had already been going on for a while, and the system had enough power to run some lovely things but that is all probably way past the timeframe you are concerned with.
 
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a lot of sharing via BBSes (bulletin board system)
Not much to say about this, apart from that it makes sense (traditional ePenis warez scene* with its intro/demo and cheat/trainer specialties*) and... yeah, PD being in this context a dated word for homebrew (probably as the binary opposite of "all rights reserved"?)

'magazines' about the scene
Played Hong Kong 97 lately? Not for the plot, action, soundtrack, or gore (as entertaining I find them) but for the ads at the beginning?
Also *

pdroms.de
basic games

Reminds me of when, in the early 2000s, the newly soldout (privatized) Tetris Company went on a few sprees of complaints against Tetris-like games regardless of how much they could be confused with official Tetris (you probably remember Lockjaw even though that was later) and they scrambled to drop such games or those with POKEMON in the name, including the so-bad-it's-not-a-game Pokemon Harrier which owes something to a scene-ish group

* = this overused footnote is a recommendation to download and 100% SNES Trainer Charts, which fittingly is a digital magazine about the SNES scene for the SNES - while there's only one and it's no beginner introduction, I found it a nice self-demonstration of all these concepts :)
 

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Thanks for your messages @FAST6191 and @Ryccardo !

I found this older thread about the 'SNES Trainer Charts' here:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/snes-trainer-charts-the-scene-before-gbatemp.541790/
I tried this rom magazine, since you mentionned it and it's a bit scary how the two first interviews have very innapropriate racist humor, etc. Outside of this, it seems it was competitive between teams, or the author of this magazine was more competitive.

I really do hope so that people from the scenes today are more working together than against each other and are more inclusive.
 

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two first interviews have very innapropriate racist humor
I'd call it a better time when people did indeed make offensive jokes and they were generally received as jokes, even the generally more appreciated kind of personal freedoms were better, the First and Second World were in a long running rivalry which greatly promoted the development of science and technology ("In 1969, with the processing power equivalent to two Commodore 64s, NASA put multiple men on the moon with the not so implicit side goal of promoting capitalism - in 2019, due to capitalism, NASA doesn't fly people to the moon anymore"), but I digress...

Outside of this, it seems it was competitive between teams, or the author of this magazine was more competitive. I feel that today, it seems more collaborative and inclusive in general..!
Back to "the scene", a few years ago I did read somewhere a nice article explaining it, maybe some random combination of words like "scene ftp bbs topsites underground usenet supplier warez nuke" will find it or something comparable (no, I haven't tried, just some related keywords I could come up with), but here's the gist:

While I'm sure it started for practical purposes, "the scene" could be called piracy as a pure sport, as an international mafia, or both simultaneously - groups form, and race (with the help of their members and external affiliates) to be the first to leak software (originally as in "computer program", but now including entertainment media too) while following the "rules" (self-imposed standards agreed with competing groups I linked in my previous post), if they don't conform the release can be nuked (retracted and void).
They usually contain an NFO file which (before micros0ft used it for windows system information) is just a text file with the group's logo and slogan, some dry technical facts, lore about the release...

In other words, if you stole Acquired a GBA/DS ROM while they were current you're probably familiar with names like "0002 - Pokemon Dash & Knuckles (USA) (Xenom).nds", featuring a release number and the group's name;
"Leak" is however relative, the scene is a quite private circle, if you've ever downloaded something from IRC/Usenet/P2P/some rom site/whatever/modern "repackers" it's technically not the scene even though it may have originated from it and/or have scene-like properties like being in a split RAR file (which of course dates to years of much worse internet speeds even for well-off hardcore users)
Compare to ROM organizers and the various sources for their databases like No-Intro, Redump, MAME, GoodTools - you can easily find almost complete romsets that conform to those lists, but are not officially related to said groups beyond that (with said groups usually taking a [more or less wink wink nudge nudge] anti-piracy stance)...

Also comparably to said databases but not really the same, many tangentially related entities compile lists of scene releases (example, click on any of the "more info" links ). At the same time the scene does not really have a central authority and it holds together a bit like time trial rankings on Mario Kart Wii, which is the reason sequential numbers are not that universal depending on who you ask...

Anyway! Intros and trainers (so that we can tie back to what you read :) ) - an extension of the showing off, before clean dumps were widely recognized as best (and indeed were generally unusable on contemporary floppy-based inaccurate "flashcards"*) it was common to add to the actual pirated product some credits for the group - and sometimes enhancements (ie cheats and/or highscore saving).
While generally considered an annoyance even back then (otherwise said: No-Intro, one of the forerunners of the clean dump revolution - but that came later - has that name for a reason), they really were their pride (with some very dedicated artists), indeed this is chicken and egg (and overlapping) with "the demoscene" which could be summarized as "do the most impressive AV presentation with the least storage"
Does that mean cracktros are just digital graffiti?

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The opposite of "the scene" is generally called "P2P" or "Independent" (IND) depending on the context: the DS Lite version of NTRAging (the factory test utility), which was first discovered on this website and posted directly to the general internet by direct contacts of its discoverer (how would I know this) is a good example, or for a more mainstream one also from GBATemp, the kongsnutz scandal...
 

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If you are interested in Scene stuff (usually a distinct concept from homebrew/public domain, ROM hacking, demoscene to an extent and many other things that nobody would question being discussed around here) I highly recommend
DEF CON 18 - Jason Scott - You're Stealing It Wrong! 30 Years of Inter-Pirate Battles

He does various other talks that are variations on similar themes and can recommend all of those I have seen as well.

As far as off colour jokes then do acquaint yourself with Mentor's last words
https://archive.org/download/jollyrogerscookbook4/075.pdf

https://scenerules.org/ might also be of interest.

For demoscene https://www.pouet.net/ is good stuff, and for sites that were around back when that might still have something then https://www.zophar.net/
Most older stuff I doubt made it into the internet archive.
 

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