Steam dropping support for Windows 7 and 8 starting on 2024

Ryab · Mar 29, 2023

64bitmodels said:
it's more like this actually:
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I'm not even joking. Once you familiarize yourself with the terminal and commands it's about as easy as can be.

At this point even if you don't want to use terminal you can. Though knowing basic Unix commands is a big advantage.

Atomyiik · Mar 29, 2023

Interesting. I consider my computer to be pretty new, but it has a CD/DVD drive along with a couple of USB drives. My tech is probably just weird...

Ryab · Mar 29, 2023

DKAngel said:
i cant remeber the last time i put a cd/dvd/bdr drive in anymore my last 4 pcs dont have them. i just stack them with hdds

Depends what you do for sure. I still have a dvd drive for dumping old games.

Latiodile · Mar 29, 2023

Julie_Pilgrim said:
ahem. i ran windows 8 on a laptop that could DEFINETELY not run windows 10(the laptop is now a spare i use and it runs arch godbless) for like 3 years. here is (some of)what i played(note i played most of these with a controller):
cuphead
binding of issac
shovel knight
rabi-ribi
osu!(not on steam and i still play it now on my fancy ass gaming pc but hey im counting it)
touhou luna nights
hollow knight
super meat boy
rogue legacy
axiom verge
sonic mania
celeste
castle crashers
i could keep going on and ON man. i got SO much mileage in terms of gaming out of that damn thing

windows 8 is weirdly lightweight, i've had systems that ran windows 8 better than 7, like, actual single core super low end systems with 1gb ram kind of low end

people seem to forget that windows 8 tried to be a tablet os in more than just UI, it was insanely optimized as well, to run on those same tablets

GoldAnthro · Mar 29, 2023

Wait didnt 7 and 8 support already end? or do they mean extended support ends? that crap always confuses me becuase news site make a big deal out of something for headlines and then actual support seems to linger for years. :/

ShadowOne333 · Mar 29, 2023

GoldAnthro said:
Wait didnt 7 and 8 support already end? or do they mean extended support ends? that crap always confuses me becuase news site make a big deal out of something for headlines and then actual support seems to linger for years. :/

Microsoft officially ended support for both W7 and W8 this year iirc, on January 10th.
Steam is the one that's ending support for those OSes next year.

Latiodile · Mar 29, 2023

ShadowOne333 said:
Microsoft officially ended support for both W7 and W8 this year iirc, on January 10th.
Steam is the one that's ending support for those OSes next year.

microsoft ended support for windows 7 in 2019

ShadowOne333 · Mar 29, 2023

Latiodile said:
microsoft ended support for windows 7 in 2019

Ah right, it was Windows 8.1 the one that ended support on January 10th.

Goku1992A · Mar 29, 2023

Atomyiik said:
We don't?

No they took them out years ago maybe 6 years ago

Defective1Up · Mar 30, 2023

Working in IT, it makes me cringe how many people still use Windows 7 as a daily driver. I love Windows 7 (and XP) but I wouldn't touch either with a 10 foot pole on a live network. That's asking for your accounts to be hacked and your bank account drained.

Julie_Pilgrim · Mar 30, 2023

Atomyiik said:
I agree with most of this here, but I think telling someone who was going to install Ubuntu Linux to install Arch Linux and awesomewm might be a bit too technical, coming from a guy who uses Slackware.

fair enough but i mainly said this because they said they use WSL for compiling software, so i assumed they have enough technical knowledge to set up xorg and whatnot

looking back, yeah those two things are pretty far from one another

i still think debian + openbox sohuldn't be that hard tho if you use WSL and stuff

64bitmodels · Mar 30, 2023

Julie_Pilgrim said:
what if i want to play an unsupported game?(genshin, or valorant for instance) what if i want to play some free games i got on the epic store?

all those other reasons are solid but for these you could use a VM, dualboot or a console....

pokota · Mar 30, 2023

oh man is there going to be a storm when windows 10 gets EoL'd - the upgrade to windows 11+ requires hardware upgrades due to the TPM requirement

xScarYx · Mar 30, 2023

sombrerosonic said:
Ah yes, "Linux is easy! You just have to learn the huge ass curve!"

Alot of people use things like Office or Adobe Products that has no support on linux. and wine......... Wine is ass for running games or software. Linux isn't for everyone and it depends on who you are at the end of the day.

this is true. but only if u still live in the year 2012. now in the year 2023 gaming on linux is on a good spot and its getting better with the support of valve.
Programs/Games these day are mostly running good or perfect, sometimes even better than on windows.
plz stop spreading false information and inform yourself better about this topic, before posting nonsense.

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Nerdtendo said:
while yes there are some "user-friendly" Linux distros, I don't think anyone can make the argument that they are easier to use than Windows computers. I'm pretty tech savvy and there are some points while using Ubuntu that just baffle me. For example, the VPN software I use only has a CLI in Ubuntu. Sure, that's on the software dev for not making a gui, but as a casual user, I would choose the OS with the maximum number of GUIs.

first of all, why using such a bloatware distro like ubuntu if u are such a tech savvy ? havent u used a single distro comparision or review?. second, why not use a vpn software which is opensource, crossplattform and has a gui like OpenVPN? third, nearly every popular distro has GUI on mass like windows, if u choose to not use them, dont blame the distro.

Kioku · Mar 30, 2023

64bitmodels said:
all those other reasons are solid but for these you could use a VM, dualboot or a console....

VM is risky business for a game like Valorant… but yeah, dual boot is necessary for some games..

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pokota said:
oh man is there going to be a storm when windows 10 gets EoL'd - the upgrade to windows 11+ requires hardware upgrades due to the TPM requirement

By that time I feel I’ll be past gaming and will have comfortably moved to Linux full time anyway.

64bitmodels · Mar 30, 2023

Kioku_Dreams said:
VM is risky business for a game like Valorant… but yeah, dual boot is necessary for some games..

Yep, I keep an Xbox around for games that don't work on Linux like Destiny 2 and Rocket League. Don't feel the need to have a windows partition when i still have a console

Kioku · Mar 30, 2023

64bitmodels said:
Yep, I keep an Xbox around for games that don't work on Linux like Destiny 2 and Rocket League. Don't feel the need to have a windows partition when i still have a console

Can’t say the same, unfortunately. I’ve got an Xbox, but I’ve also got an unfortunately beefy PC and an ultra wide.. :v

Guacaholey · Mar 30, 2023

Atomyiik said:
We don't?

Many prebuilt PCs and cases don't have BD or DVD drives or support for them anymore, largely due to the fact software is almost exclusively digital now. Streaming is so popular there's really now people don't really need to play DVDs or Blu-Rays on their computer, and DVD players are cheap now, as are some Blu-Ray players (a PS3 makes a great Blu-Ray player for cheap, IIRC the Sony ones including PS3/PS4 and likely PS5 are the only ones that support overlaying closed captions onto a digital signal). It sucks, but between consumers supporting digital only on PC and Steam basically acting as an all-in-one marketplace and installer with DRM (even really basic) making publishers favor it, it was only a matter of time before optical drives "disappeared".

64bitmodels said:
it's more like this actually:
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I'm not even joking. Once you familiarize yourself with the terminal and commands it's about as easy as can be.

Just make a lot of that stuff doable with a GUI that requires superuser permissions to make any changes. Stuff like audio resolution settings shouldn't be buried in the OS (and no using stuff like JACK doesn't count, we should be able to change this stuff through the settings), only security stuff and serious under-the-hood tweaking should have to be done via the terminal. I genuinely think this is the biggest barrier to entry for Linux-based OSes (more than the limited native software and hardware support).

subcon959 · Mar 30, 2023

This conversation shouldn't have been about Windows or Linux. The problem is how DRM has control over your gaming in unnecessary ways.

Jacobh · Mar 30, 2023

Someone still running Windows 7 is not the “average” user. Over 90% of Windows users are on Win 10 or 11. Only 5% are still running 7. For Steam, less than 2% of users are on Windows 7. This is a non-issue for the average user.

For the non-average user there are plenty of options for other OSes. There will almost certainly be ways to use Steam unofficially on Win 7. If someone truly is the “average” user, they are mostly browsing the web, watching some movies/pictures, and maybe using a word processor. Any modern OS is going to do those things and plenty will run on older hardware.

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