U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

[Deleted member 559230]

Can you point to any post you made that demonstrates empathy?

Sure, most of the posts I've posted that say abortions should not happen. I am empathic towards the child and just because you're trying to control me by shaming me into taking up your views doesn't mean I'm not being empathic. By the way, trying to manipulate me by trying to make me feel shame isn't going to work.

 

[tabzer]

That's a biological function, not the biological function. If we are going by how it's used >99% of the time, then the main biological function is pleasure and social bonding, not reproduction.

Plenty of people who have had sex have never had sex with the purpose of it being reproductive.

Okay. I can agree with this reasoning. My angle was that despite how people utilize it, it exists because of reproduction.

It's consent to the pregnancy risks (assuming the sex was consensual in the first place), but it isn't consent to get pregnant. There's a difference. When I get in a car, I acknowledge the safety risks, but that isn't consent to get hit by another car.

Pregnancy is a reasonable outcome. If you buy a lotto ticket, consenting to win or lose starts being beside the point.

They created the kid who needs an organ transplant with a life contingent upon the resources of another body, just like they created a fetus that is contingent upon using the resources of another body. They're comparable, and you don't appear to have thought this through. Hell, we could make the ailment genetic (not that we need to for the analogy to work).

The analogy functions to blur causality (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. degrees of liability).

The analogy also forces a claim that the mother and developing child are separates bodies; ie the abortion already happened, and the concept of un-abortion isn't fathomable.

If we consider Siamese twins sharing vital organs, there would have to be consensus.

In the situation of the mother and developing child, the mother is the interpreter and purveyor of their interests (or the state, depending on what side of the debate you fall on).

 

[AleronIves]

Six months is actually longer than roe v wade gives you a right to, which is kinda insane from a pro lifer.

It's a flawed plan to allow abortions up to six months in the case of rape and 0 months for everyone else.

I said that that particular statement was reasonable. I didn't say I agreed with all of his positions on abortion. It's important to find common ground where you can, especially on such a contentious issue.

 

[KennyAtom]

I'd like to apologize for being such a douchebag, I didn't understand what I was doing at the time, and I now realize that it was wrong.

Of course, I'll budge a little, not too much, but only a little. Abortion can be allowed until 12 weeks for other women, and 6 months for rape victims.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Wait, so you think Trump was good?

I agree, he was good for jobs, and low gas prices, and no rapid inflation, but I also disagree for everything else.

No, he was a disaster and a terrorist leader and an anti-scientific moron responsible for the death of thousands of americans. He was an imbecile who released the head of the Taliban from prison. A traitor who abandoned the Kurds at the mercy of Erdogan. A moron who single-handedly resurrected the Islamic state by betraying the Kurds, who were THIS close to eradicating them. A butcher who made more bombardments in 4 years than Obama did in 8. An idiot who couldn't even command the loyalty of his appointees.

The fact you think he was better than Biden shows you're nuts. The fact somehow you think he has some credit for "jobs" (he didn't, thanks to the trade wars), "low gas prices" ( a responsibility of Putin, like any imbecile knows, so why you blame him I'll never know, why can't you be as smart as a Swede), "rapid inflation" (again, a consequence of Putin's action, the same Putin Trump admires and called "very smart" when he invaded Ukraine).

 

[Lacius]

Pregnancy is a reasonable outcome.

Something being a reasonable possibility is not consent for that thing.

The analogy functions to blur causality (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. degrees of liability).

No it doesn't.

The analogy also forces a claim that the mother and developing child are separates bodies

They are separate bodies.

In the situation of the mother and developing child, the mother is the interpreter and purveyor of their interests (or the state, depending on what side of the debate you fall on).

The woman has a right over her own body, similar to how you have a right over yours and your organs.

Abortion can be allowed until 12 weeks for other women, and 6 months for rape victims.

Golly, thanks master.

What a fucking joke.

 

[KennyAtom]

No, he was a disaster and a terrorist leader and an anti-scientific moron responsible for the death of thousands of americans. He was an imbecile who released the head of the Taliban from prison. A traitor who abandoned the Kurds at the mercy of Erdogan. A moron who single-handedly resurrected the Islamic state by betraying the Kurds, who were THIS close to eradicating them. A butcher who made more bombardments in 4 years than Obama did in 8. An idiot who couldn't even command the loyalty of his appointees.

The fact you think he was better than Biden shows you're nuts. The fact somehow you think he has some credit for "jobs" (he didn't, thanks to the trade wars), "low gas prices" ( a responsibility of Putin, like any imbecile knows, so why you blame him I'll never know, why can't you be as smart as a Swede), "rapid inflation" (again, a consequence of Putin's action, the same Putin Trump admires and called "very smart" when he invaded Ukraine).

look, at least he didn't leave 8 billion dollars of equipment for the taliban to take, let our allies be murdered because he thought giving a list to the Taliban, the people we were FIGHTING against, was a good idea, saying he was going to get us out of covid then keeping us locked up (except for my state, we stopped wearing masks in 2021) until literally this year, and much more.

I hate trump, but even I can admit he was at least alright.

 

[KennyAtom]

Golly, thanks master.

What a fucking joke.

Hey, at least i compromised, unlike your side, who just wants to murder babies and nothing else.

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Pregnancy is a reasonable outcome. If you buy a lotto ticket,

Even winning tickets can be left unclaimed. By your own analogy, pregnancies should be freely refused.

Sure, most of the posts I've posted that say abortions should not happen. I am empathic towards the child

No, you're really not.

look, at least he didn't leave 8 billion dollars of equipment for the taliban to take, let our allies be murdered because he thought giving a list to the Taliban, the people we were FIGHTING against, was a good idea, saying he was going to get us out of covid then keeping us locked up (except for my state, we stopped wearing masks in 2021) until literally this year, and much more.

I hate trump, but even I can admit he was at least alright.

His evacuation plan was largely unchanged.
He literally allowed the taliban to v2 organised by releasing their leader from Prison, are you being stupid on purpose?
How exactly is it a fault of Biden if america isn't out of covid when you Republicans refused to vaccinate out of pure stupidity?

You can admit whatever you want, that doesn't make you correct by any means. Of course, you might have likes trump because you believe in Replacement theory or some other stupid nonsense.

 

[smf]

I said that that particular statement was reasonable. I didn't say I agreed with all of his positions on abortion. It's important to find common ground where you can, especially on such a contentious issue.

I'm not commenting on whether I'm agreeing or disagreeing with his posititions.

I was pointing out how incompatible his various views are and the problems they will cause.

Roe v wade only gives you 5 months, while the uk gives you 5.5 months, france gives you 3.2 months (with later abortions possible on medical grounds with the agreement of two doctors). Yet the person who has been going on about abortion being killing babies, has settled on extending to 6 months in the case of rape.

And you haven't found common ground, he's fucking with you.

 

[KennyAtom]

You can admit whatever you want, that doesn't make you correct by any means. Of course, you might have likes trump because you believe in Replacement theory or some other stupid nonsense.

Now what in the sam fuck is a replacement theory

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Hey, at least i compromised, unlike your side, who just wants to murder babies and nothing else.

Foetuses and embryos aren't babies, do you have a pathological need to lie?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Now what in the sam fuck is a replacement theory

I refuse to believe you don't know what I'm talking about. Not even you can be this dumb or uninformed.

 

[smf]

I am empathic towards the child

Nice try, but I had asked you about empathy towards women.

Originally in the case of rape, but right now I'd settle on any empathy towards women.

Where have you shown that?

 

[Lacius]

Hey, at least i compromised

Thanks, master, for only taking away some rights instead of all of them. What a benevolent one you are.

who just wants to murder babies and nothing else.

You never answered my question about who gets to make that determination. I am still waiting.

 

[smf]

Now what in the sam fuck is a replacement theory

I used this thing you might not have heard of, called google.

https://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2022/0...eory-moved-from-the-fringes-to-the-mainstream

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Where have you shown that?

Hey, he's shown empathy towards CHILDREN, just like Mrs Lovejoy - and I mean only limited to when they're leaving the vagina. After that, they're on their own.

 

[KennyAtom]

I refuse to believe you don't know what I'm talking about. Not even you can be this dumb or uninformed.

Well go ahead and refuse to believe, but the fact of the matter is l literally don't know what it is.

Did you expect me to be so idiotic that I know every conspiracy theory l, or worse yet, believe it?

 

[Dark_Ansem]

Did you expect me to be so idiotic that I know every conspiracy theory l, or worse yet, believe it?

Yes, when a guy went on a murder spree and said explicitly it was because of that not even a week ago.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Nice try, but I had asked you about empathy towards women.

Originally in the case of rape, but right now I'd settle on any empathy towards women.

Where have you shown that?

Let's take for example the rape. Even though it would be horrible to get raped it would be a blessing to have a child and see it grow into an adult. Having children can be a wonderful thing if you make it be that way. So stating the mother needs to keep a child produced by rape is being empathic towards the mother. Unlike you I'm trying to make the best of a situation without needless murder.