My conflict was about government involvement in abortions by being institutionalized and funded by tax dollars. Even though they are largely not, sharing the same failure in understanding, you responded with "it's a healthcare issue, stupid". Not only was that an admission that "yes, the government does institutionalize abortion and fund it with tax dollars" (even though that's inaccurate), you suggested that it was ridiculous to be a concern, avoiding direct confrontation with the fact that you are contradicting yourself. If you get moody every time someone points out an err in your rationale, then maybe you should stay off the internet until the thought police can finish installing all of the guardrails.
Seeing as your point was stupid, maybe we'd all have been better off if you had let him do the talking. If you are disappointed because I quoted Foxi but not in disagreement with the material of the quote, then I am okay with that. When solving for x, I would hope that we can arrive to the same conclusion. If you want to forfeit accuracy just to "make your own original point", then good for you--but we all lose.
Y'know, actually, I didn't call you stupid. I've implied or outright stated you're unoriginal, factually incorrect and often inconsistant with your own purported beliefs when convenient, belligerent, and unable to hold a proper conversation, but I genuinely try to bite my tongue and not resort to name calling despite how personal this topic is to me.
Planned Parenthood doesn't get federal money to pay for abortions, they get paid by medicaid in a few states and insurance providers or non profit fundraising to perform a health related service for women. It isn't "your tax dollars murdering babies" or what have you, it is good old capitalism running its course like it would for any other non-profit within the law. I notice you get confused about this point a lot, but Foxi tends to have a better grasp of things like relevant facts and scientific consensus. That was why I made my statement, but hey credit where it is due, I suppose I could have been clearer! You're even right that your post made me moody, because your antagonizing folks while speaking so confidently in ignorance is frustrating. Seeing your signature a bit lately has actually served to calm me down a bit, reminding me that you aren't a good faith actor so much as a troll, taking pride in the misfortune of others.
It really doesn't. Fun touhou fact, Zun actually states she was the one who made the scarlet mist that would have ruined her homeland just so her noblewoman friend could play outside any time she wanted. Also, she regards people as either pests, service animals, or if they're of noble birth, friends. Furthermore, she doesn't "squat" so much as Remilia regards her as a friend and guest who provides her a service with her education. Sorry dear, but I understand why you'd want to focus on your avatar so much, since your errors regarding abortion have been even more abundant thus far. Maybe quit while you're ahead on both fronts.
honestly, I understand both sides.
Women feel as if they're losing more rights with this, people feel as if this will get the ball rolling to ban gay people and trans people and such, and planned parenthood will no longer receive free tax dollars from americans. (that last part was a joke, but it is partially serious as well)
Pro Life people don't like seeing babies die, whether they're fetuses, embryos, or an actual baby.
Is there an obvious situation to this that will satisfy both sides? Unfortunately not. Repeal Roe V Wade, and the women and lgbtq+ get angry and upset. Keep Roe V Wade in place, and pro lifers are upset since babies are dying, or babies in their view at least.
Basically issues such as this are complex, cannot be discussed easily, and lead to flame wars such as this. I think we should all agree to disagree and get along, you know? Anger never helps anyone, kindness does.
I understand your intention, but as said elsewhere, this isn't the kind of issue that can be easily dropped. There are victims in this, people wounded for the rest of their lives or dead over these kinds of rulings, and the only meaningful reason to deny such a service to women is a manufactured religious fury of the minority. Nobody wants to use an abortion as birth control, nobody considers it even as a plan b, and nobody takes joy in snuffing out even a conceptual life that has yet to cross the threshold of any reasonably defined sentient existence. It serves a clear purpose to help the lives of women, and planned parenthood in particular actually does its best to educate women who rely on the service about alternatives should they even inquire about needing it. Even with all this in mind, it is made varying degrees of illegal in several states with no federal guidelines yet, but conservatives have been quite clear that it would be a future goal.
You can't slap someone in the face and then ask for peace in this, and riding the fence means you're watching abuse and failing to act. The only moral stance is to participate in objecting to the injustice, but I'd advise settling for not getting involved if your own moral guidelines can't navigate the issue clearly.
