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U.S. Supreme Court set to overturn Roe v. Wade abortion rights decision

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Saying this while defending the killing of unborn children is pretty laughable
Yeah, gotta wait until the baby has consciousness and experiences the violence inherent in a capitalist system before we let it die of abuse/neglect/starvation! The right is all about equal opportunity suffering.
 

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Yeah, gotta wait until the baby has consciousness and experiences the violence inherent in a capitalist system before we let it die of abuse/neglect/starvation! The right is all about equal opportunity suffering.
Oh jesus...

This is why it should go to the states to decide. That way people can live where it most suits their lifestyle and ideology. Obviously there is a huge difference in the way you and I think about this situation and blanket rules that outright ban abortion at a federal level are just as detrimental as blanket rules that outright allow abortion up to birth at a federal level.
 

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Oh jesus...
Don't bring him into this, the New Testament says next to nothing about abortion. The Old Testament includes a how-to guide for aborting a fetus. So not only are you trying to legislate morality, it's a form of morality with no basis in religion which you pulled straight out of your ass.
 

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Vaccines affect others. If it was something that only affected you, then it wouldn't be required. but vaccines also prevent you from spreading it to other people. Also a quick shot to improve your health isn't quite on the same level as governmentally forced pregnancy and responsibility for a human being for 18+ years.
It's not even that it only affects others (I do agree with you, just expanding your points)
Its littearly fucking risk assessment. Do we:
Let a fuck ton of people die, become extremely sick and have a ton of after effects because we decided that several "my body my choice" ass hats wanted to go carry a disease and spread it everywhere. Causing business to loose employees over their death, or loosing profits over them not being able to work.
Or.
Do we instead heavily advocate for vaccines which are given to the people for free. Reduce the risk by a substantial margin, decrease the odds of death, and decrease the odds of spread, which means even less deaths occuring.
Fucking people calling "vaccines tyrany" should really fucking learn public risk assessment and tyrany are very different things. You can control your vaccine status. And it's not like the goverment is knocking on your door, putting a gun up to your head, and forcing a needle up you arm.
Unlike idk, say, putting Japanese people in internment camps. Or a genocide on jewish people. Or idk, actively targeting trans people with laws that intentionally make it harder for them to exist, and increase their odds of death. (Hi Texas. can I say fuck you? Thanks)
 
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Yeah, gotta wait until the baby has consciousness and experiences the violence inherent in a capitalist system before we let it die of abuse/neglect/starvation! The right is all about equal opportunity suffering.
Most of the right are honest hard working people that keep this country going. It can join the right, get an education, job, work its way away from poverty instead of blaming everyone else for their plot in life....wait they would have to be republicans to do that...damn webster definition there.

It's not even that it only affects others (I do agree with you, just expanding your points)
Its littearly fucking risk assessment. Do we:
Let a fuck ton of people die, become extremely sick and have a ton of after effects because we decided that several "my body my choice" ass hats wanted to go carry a disease and spread it everywhere. Causing business to loose employees over their death, or loosing profits over them not being able to work.
Or.
Do we instead heavily advocate for vaccines which are given to the people for free. Reduce the risk by a substantial margin, decrease the odds of death, and decrease the odds of spread, which means even less deaths occuring.
Fucking people calling "vaccines tyrany" should really fucking learn public risk assessment and tyrany are very different things. You can control your vaccine status. And it's not like the goverment is knocking on your door, putting a gun up to your head, and forcing a needle up you arm.
Unlike idk, say, putting Japanese people in internment camps. Or a genocide on jewish people. Or idk, actively targeting trans people with laws that intentionally make it harder for them to exist, and increase their odds of death. (Hi Texas. can I say fuck you? Thanks)
Where the hell do you get vaccines are free. Your grandchildren will be paying for this shit long after we are all dead. Lmao dream big. Spend bigger you dont have to pay it back.
 

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Don't bring him into this, the New Testament says next to nothing about abortion. The Old Testament includes a how-to guide for aborting a fetus. So not only are you trying to legislate morality, it's a form of morality with no basis in religion which you pulled straight out of your ass.
Wasn't bringing anybody into the conversation. I am not religious in any way. That was just my genuine reaction to such a ridiculous statement about capitalism and having the equal opportunity to suffer.
 

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Most of the right are honest hard working people that keep this country going. It can join the right, get an education, job, work its way away from poverty instead of blaming everyone else for their plot in life....wait they would have to be republicans to do that...damn webster definition there.
Did you seriously just advocate for child labor as if it's a real solution to this country's wealth and wage disparity? Tonguing that corporate boot pretty deeply these days, eh?

Wasn't bringing anybody into the conversation. I am not religious in any way. That was just my genuine reaction to such a ridiculous statement about capitalism and having the equal opportunity to suffer.
We just got out of a pandemic. There's a food insecurity crisis going on in this country right now, and inflation/corporate profiteering are out of control. You're delusional if you think a forced birth policy on top of all that won't cause greater suffering among the impoverished.
 

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Did you seriously just advocate for child labor as if it's a real solution to this country's wealth and wage disparity? Tonguing that corporate boot pretty deeply these days, eh?
God damn, how do you make these giant leaps in logic. Obviously he was stating that nobody is doomed to the living situation they are born into. Anybody can work their way up and become something they deem respectable. Who the hell said anything about child labor?

We just got out of a pandemic. There's a food insecurity crisis going on in this country right now, and inflation/corporate profiteering are out of control. You're delusional if you think a forced birth policy on top of all that won't cause greater suffering among the impoverished.
A pandemic that could have ended months ago but everybody had to continue locking themselves down. Inflation caused by the current administration printing money like there is no tomorrow. Also, how is this a forced birth policy? All the supreme court is ruling on is whether or not the federal government has a right to enforce people's option of having an abortion. If you live in a state that doesn't align with your views on abortion, move.
 

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Ah, finally you admit your true motivation. It's not about saving the unborn. It's about punishing women for daring to enjoy sex.
It makes women the gate keeper.

If she gets pregnant by accident since condoms & birth control is not 100%. She has the ultimate decision of whether or not to go through with pregnancy or get a abortion. The man has no say on abortion since it's her body her choice. Which means the man is dragged into child support of a kid he never wanted.

So the only 100% safe method for man is to avoid sex altogether and avoid the enjoyment of sex if he doesn't want a kid and stick to masterbation.

MGTOW
 

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Oh jesus...

This is why it should go to the states to decide. That way people can live where it most suits their lifestyle and ideology. Obviously there is a huge difference in the way you and I think about this situation and blanket rules that outright ban abortion at a federal level are just as detrimental as blanket rules that outright allow abortion up to birth at a federal level.

So, then you don't actually believe in medical freedom. You want others to decide for us. Correct?
 

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So, then you don't actually believe in medical freedom. You want others to decide for us. Correct?
No, I don't think people should be legally allowed to murder children.

So, then you don't actually believe in medical freedom. You want others to decide for us. Correct?
Also, can you define "medical freedom" for me? Genuinely curious as to what that means.
 
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God damn, how do you make these giant leaps in logic. Obviously he was stating that nobody is doomed to the living situation they are born into. Anybody can work their way up and become something they deem respectable. Who the hell said anything about child labor?
Oh okay, so you only expect single mothers to work two full-time jobs while somehow still finding the time to raise their children. That's a much more reasonable solution that's sure to make everybody happy. /s

All the supreme court is ruling on is whether or not the federal government has a right to enforce people's option of having an abortion. If you live in a state that doesn't align with your views on abortion, move.
Been over this already. We're one nation. Whenever red states fuck everything up, blue states foot the bill, and we all get dragged down into the mud. I'm not okay with republicans turning us into a third-world country just so that they can generate enough desperate workers willing to accept slave wages to survive.
 

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Oh okay, so you only expect single mothers to work two full-time jobs while somehow still finding the time to raise their children. That's a much more reasonable solution that's sure to make everybody happy. /s


Been over this already. We're one nation. Whenever red states fuck everything up, blue states foot the bill, and we all get dragged down into the mud. I'm not okay with republicans turning us into a third-world country just so that they can generate enough desperate workers willing to accept slave wages.
One nation? We haven't been one nation except in name for decades. Nobody can agree on anything. Also, "whenever red states fuck everything up, blue states foot the bill?" That gave me a good chuckle. I don't know how you can attribute every bad thing the country has ever experienced to one side, seems pretty immature to me.

Then move? Obviously, if this is the direction the country is moving in, maybe you would fit in better somewhere in Europe.

Oh, fuck me. You know full well what I mean. You can stop with the fake "I don't understand" bullshit right off the bat. Just answer the question.
Honest to God, don't know what you mean by "medical freedom" I have not heard the term.
 
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Honest to God, don't know what you mean by "medical freedom" I have not heard the term.

I don't believe you for a second but, do you believe a person should have the freedom to make their own medical choices for their own body? Or do you feel our government should be making those choices for us? Do you believe in medical freedom, or do you not? It can't be both ways. One of the other.
 

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One nation? We haven't been one nation except in name for decades. Nobody can agree on anything.
All the more reason we shouldn't be letting the supreme court or states legislate morality. If abortion is abhorrent to you, don't get one. Beyond that we have to address the material conditions that make it a necessity if you actually want to reduce its frequency.

Also, "whenever red states fuck everything up, blue states foot the bill?" That gave me a good chuckle.
It's generally true. Texas is one of the very few red states that pays more in taxes than it takes in in federal funding. California's economy on its own is bigger than the majority of red states combined.

Then move? Obviously, if this is the direction the country is moving in, maybe you would fit in better somewhere in Europe.
Nah fuck that, I'll just become more and more of a militant leftist as the authoritarian minority in this country tries to seize more and more power. The religious extremists will not win this fight.
 

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Honest to God, don't know what you mean by "medical freedom" I have not heard the term.
You have an opinion on the topic but don’t even understand the basic terminology that would go into this topic. I am not even shocked.
 

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Even if half of that garbage was right, even if the problem was indeed people not having self control, at one point are you answering the argument at all? Isn't the child, "life" what you care about the most? What do you do to help the child, beside blaming the parents and everyone that isn't you or doesn't think like you. The child isn't responsible for the behavior of their parents, are they?
I do care about the child. If the parents don't want it, give it to someone who will love it. Better yet, don't conceive or get someone pregnant until you're mentally mature and selfless enough to actually care for one. Otherwise, it's no one else's fault for your mistake on not taking precautions and it's definitely not the government's job to bail your sorry worthless ass out for your own bad decision making.
It's made abundantly clear again that you give absolutely no shit about the child. All your arguments is about blaming the parents. There is no love at all for life itself. So keep making your generalization over people having sex, but at least stop being a fraud and pretend you're pro-life. You're not.
I am pro-life and you're just acting like a perpetual child having a tantrum. You showed you care very little for human life, not me.
Also, speaking of garbage arguments, I could be just as nasty as you are "full of disease spreading sluts". Yeah, we saw that for 2 years. When most people were trying to protect themselves and others from spreading a disease, who didn't give 2 shits and wanted to do as they please?
If the "vaccine" you took didn't work because others didn't take it, then it's not the other person's fault, it's the medical professionals who lied to you at fault for making you take an experimental booster that provides a temporary boost in protection at best. Not a vaccine or miracle sure. Don't talk about "my body, my choice" while at the same time forcing people to get a experimental jab that has little effect. You have no ground to stand on as that's clear hypocrisy. Either choose a side and be consistent or just shut your damn mouth.
well, since it's not "killing babies" and more "preventing a baby", and sex is an important part of mental well-being for most people, then i suspect you're a bit off with your argument.
Sex toys. Masturbation. Blowjobs. Handjobs. Tit fucking. Anal. Take your pick if you really need to get your rocks off.
Vaccines affect others. If it was something that only affected you, then it wouldn't be required. but vaccines also prevent you from spreading it to other people. Also a quick shot to improve your health isn't quite on the same level as governmentally forced pregnancy and responsibility for a human being for 18+ years.
If that's the case, then the covid-19 vaccine has to be one of the worst vaccine's in history since it doesn't do any of that. It's a booster that provides a boost in temporary protection at best. If it were a vaccine, you'd never, ever get covid, regardless if other's have taken it or not. If you got the shot and still got covid, then it's not a vaccine, plain and simple. It's akin to a flu shot at best.

You're one of the idiots insisting on banning abortion, so the onus should be on you to adopt if you believe that's such a great alternative.
You brought up the whole strain on the whole foster care system first, not me. So either lead by example or shut your lazy ass up. Don't try to deflect on me when you suggested something first.
You might as well be arguing that masturbation is genocide, because this isn't how biology works. A ball of cells isn't a human, and there's no excuse for holding its rights in higher regard than the person forming it inside of them. Without the systems in place to support a population boom, we're just going to end up with far more mothers and children on the streets panhandling and begging for food.
Ok then, so tell me, when does life begin exactly? If you were just a ball of cells and you got killed, then it's not murder then, right? In my eyes, once it starts to form, life is slowly being created. Just because that fact is inconvenient doesn't make it suddenly not true. We're all technically a formation of trillions of cells walking around. Is murder ok then by that logic? Sorry officer, I didn't commit murder, it's just a giant ball of cells that I ran over. And as for a population boom, there's plenty of land on the planet earth people can choose to build new towns or cities, so really, we don't need abortion to "control" the population. I highly doubt we're gonna be overpopulated on the planet anytime soon, if at all. And even in the far distant future we do, I hope we have the technology for space colonies, colonizing other planets, or both. At the rate we're going, we just might, so don't worry about too many people all around you. Stop fearmongering over the dumbest things when you can just rationalize a solution.

Been over this already. We're one nation. Whenever red states fuck everything up, blue states foot the bill, and we all get dragged down into the mud. I'm not okay with republicans turning us into a third-world country just so that they can generate enough desperate workers willing to accept slave wages to survive.
Have you seen places like Detroit and California? Or any other Democrat run state? They already look like worse than any third world country I haven't seen so I don't know what reality you're living in.
 

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If that's the case, then the covid-19 vaccine has to be one of the worst vaccine's in history since it doesn't do any of that. It's a booster that provides a boost in temporary protection at best. If it were a vaccine, you'd never, ever get covid, regardless if other's have taken it or not. If you got the shot and still got covid, then it's not a vaccine, plain and simple. It's akin to a flu shot at best.
some of the vaccines you get a kid also need boosters. It doesn't have to be 100% effective to be a vaccine. the term vaccine is more about "training your immune system" than about "100% prevent of virus". If a booster helps, they recommend it. Every virus is different, so sometimes the approaches must be different.

The flu shot is also a vaccine, but flu is a pretty dynamic jerk and the vaccine is only effective against one or two strains. if that's the strain of the year, then excellent! This is why there was a lot of fear about the different covid strains. If covid continues to spread, it could mutate into a form the vaccine wasn't as effective against. Which happened. but the vaccine helped a great deal and continues to do so.
 

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