The situation in Ukraine...

[Donnie-Burger]

 

[Xzi]

Murder isn't built into the capitalist philosophy, that again is a bi-product of laws and regulations not being followed in the first place.

But it kinda is...it's just the slow version of murder where we make sure people can't afford healthcare and eventually can't even afford rent. Then we turn a blind eye to them once they're homeless, because Americans are conditioned to view those without homes and without capital as less than human. Maybe that hasn't always been the case, but it sure has been from the 80s onward.

And who knows, maybe I may see you down on your luck later on down the road, and I decide to hook you up an apple tree of your own so you have food for one, and for seconds, can sell apples of your own if you need. Again I can choose to do this because of free will.

Any economic system that relies on luck and/or charity to meet the most basic needs of its citizens is inherently broken.

 

[XDel]

But it kinda is...it's just the slow version of murder where we make sure people can't afford healthcare and eventually can't even afford rent. Then we turn a blind eye to them once they're homeless, because Americans are conditioned to view those without homes and without capital as less than human. Maybe that hasn't always been the case, but it sure has been from the 80s onward.


Any economic system that relies on luck and/or charity to meet the most basic needs of its citizens is inherently broken.

So move somewhere where the government micro manages your ever move like a child. Or just wait, it will be here soon enough with the way things are going.

 

[sarkwalvein]

No matter where in Ukraine you are, the situation in Ukraine is to the West from Russia, North from Romania, Moldova and the Black Sea, East from Poland and Hungary and South from Belarus.

 

[idontgetit]

I know what imperialism is, and allowing potential member nations to voluntarily submit requests to join a club ain't it. You're even allowed to leave any time you want, as demonstrated by the UK. That doesn't mean you won't regret it though, as also demonstrated by the UK.

Do you make sandwiches for a living?

 

[Cooler3D]

So move somewhere where the government micro manages your ever move like a child. Or just wait, it will be here soon enough with the way things are going.

It's easy to run away. But I don't want to run away from my own home, I have a moral duty to do everything possible so that "they" run away. I, as a citizen, allowed the problem to arise, did not do enough to prevent it. A soldier of a neighboring state should not risk his life, solving the problems I allowed. And since he's forced to do this, the least I can do in solidarity is stay and back him up.

 

[XDel]

It's easy to run away. But I don't want to run away from my own home, I have a moral duty to do everything possible so that "they" run away. I, as a citizen, allowed the problem to arise, did not do enough to prevent it. A soldier of a neighboring state should not risk his life, solving the problems I allowed. And since he's forced to do this, the least I can do in solidarity is stay and back him up.

How very noble of you, you deserve a medal.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Which is another reason to rely on oil and gas.

What's that? Keep relying on oil and gas and make ourselves self-sufficient on it? Totally agree.

Speaking of communist what about those Trump supporters who are so twisted about the current presidency that they would openly accept communism instead?

Tell me, how does it feel knowing that your party has been manipulated so much by external forces that it becomes a snake eating its own tail. You have become what your paranoid nightmares tried to fight.

>Trump supports
>supporting communism at the same time
I know I shouldn't do attacks, but statements like this man. You're a few pickles short of a barrel, huh? Has humanity really gotten progressively dumber? We've regressed instead of evolved and it's just sad. It should be a scientific study on how low a person's intelligence can become.

Hold on let me get you by the record.
Do you think holding military aid over a country who knows they are going to be invaded, for a favor?
Are you seriously telling me that's not substantial. That if zelinsky did not do the favor trump asked, that he and everyone in Ukraine right now wouldn't be struggling a quite a bit more?
Your telling me that it is not substantial, so I am giving you a chance right now to walk back on that statement.

How about you walk back out your ass instead? I stand by it. Nothing substantial. Kiss the place where the sun don't shine for all I care.

This is why I'm done "debating" with you morons, it's like trying to push an unmovable wall. Even mules are less stubborn than people here.

 

[KingVamp]

What's that? Relying on green energy make ourselves self-sufficient on it? Totally agree.

And lessen pollution and security risks. You got it.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

And lessen reliance on foreign powers and climate lies. You got it.

At least we agree.

 

[Xzi]

So move somewhere where the government micro manages your ever move like a child. Or just wait, it will be here soon enough with the way things are going.

Acknowledging that food/water, shelter, clothing, and medicine should be the bare necessities in terms of human rights is not the same thing as asking to live in a dictatorship. And we know that because there are plenty of dictatorships around the world (historical and modern) that don't acknowledge these things as human rights either.

Hell, we haven't even lived up to the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" slogan. Those correspond directly to healthcare, the justice system, and education, all three of which have been privatized to varying degrees.

Ever ask yourself: why is everything indexed to inflation except wages? It's a feature, not a bug.

 

[Deleted member 586536]

How about you walk back out your ass instead? I stand by it. Nothing substantial. Kiss the place where the sun don't shine for all I care.

Wow...You really do support fucking over another country, forcing them to bend to a political favor for them to not get fucking annihilated by another country. Fucking imperialist piece of crap. We are done here, that's not negotiable. Your rhetoric is as awful as the abusive mothers who take their grown up kid when they are struggling finacially, and then holding all their belongings, over their head for favors.

 

[XDel]

Acknowledging that food/water, shelter, clothing, and medicine should be the bare necessities in terms of human rights is not the same thing as asking to live in a dictatorship. And we know that because there are plenty of dictatorships around the world (historical and modern) that don't acknowledge these things as human rights either.

Hell, we haven't even lived up to the "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" slogan. Those correspond directly to healthcare, the justice system, and education, all three of which have been privatized to varying degrees.

Ever ask yourself: why is everything indexed to inflation except wages? It's a feature, not a bug.

I didn't realize there was no food, shelter, clothing, medicine and such in America.

 

[Xzi]

I didn't realize there was no food, shelter, clothing, medicine and such in America.

Now you're just playing dumb. Forcing the poor to depend on the rich to supply these things makes capitalism no better than medieval serfdom. It's the same way the USSR operated, and it's the same way North Korea operates now. Declaring these things as human rights is the best method of installing the safeguards against oligarchy that I was talking about earlier.

 

[XDel]

Now you're just playing dumb. Forcing the poor to depend on the rich to supply these things makes capitalism no better than medieval serfdom. It's the same way the USSR operated, and it's the same way North Korea operates now. Declaring these things as human rights is the best method of installing the safeguards against oligarchy that I was talking about earlier.

The health system does need improvement, there are too many people who need operations, yet can not afford it and do not happen to have the good fortune of having a job with good insurance. That said, not all rich people live off the proverbial poor, I have known many rich people who spend their lives investing in people who have dreams and visions, which generates capital, so time and time again they've given people with the know how the head start and opportunity that they would not have had otherwise. Not everyone is a Klaus Schwab, Nanci Peloski, Joe Biden, Clinton, George Sorros, and the like.

 

[Xzi]

That said, not all rich people live off the proverbial poor

Nonsense. Even for the very few who don't partake in wage theft and actually pay living wages, they're still reliant on the working class to maintain their luxurious standard of living. And that's all assuming their inherited wealth isn't blood money to begin with, like Elon Musk's family and their apartheid emerald mines.

Besides, the "good ones" would not be offended by a second bill of rights that guarantees those things to all Americans anyway.

 

[XDel]

Nonsense. Even for the very few who don't partake in wage theft and actually pay living wages, they're still reliant on the working class to maintain their luxurious standard of living. And that's all assuming their inherited wealth isn't blood money to begin with, like Elon Musk's family and their apartheid emerald mines.

Besides, the "good ones" would not be offended by a second bill of rights that guarantees those things to all Americans anyway.

Marxist theory, hurray!

 

[Xzi]

Marxist theory, hurray!

Call it Marxist if you want, but if you wanna build a sustainable human-first economy, not everything can be subject to the profit motive. Short of that, you're just cheering for oligarchs to seize complete control of America sooner rather than later.

 

[XDel]

Call it Marxist if you want, but if you wanna build a sustainable human-first economy, not everything can be subject to the profit motive. Short of that, you're just cheering for oligarchs to seize complete control of America sooner rather than later.

Again though, that is what the Constitution and Bill of rights are there for in part, that is why we developed Anti-Monopoly laws and such, but as we can both see, they sure as hell are not being followed, hence the reason the mega corporations are currently able to censor and silence any voice they wish, including the president of all people.

 

[Xzi]

Again though, that is what the Constitution and Bill of rights are there for in part, that is why we developed Anti-Monopoly laws and such, but as we can both see, they sure as hell are not being followed, hence the reason the mega corporations are currently able to censor and silence any voice they wish, including the president of all people.

The bill of rights just doesn't go quite far enough, and even if antitrust laws were being properly enforced, you'd still have a very small group of like-minded oligarchs controlling essential industries. FDR saw this coming all the way back in 1933, which is why he proposed a second bill of workers' rights, but that was never actually codified. Way past time to bring it back with some modern revisions.