The situation in Ukraine...

[Viri]

Just remember, Ukraine is an independent sovereign country, and doesn't just exist to be a buffer between Russia and the west. It's actually rather sad what is going on in eastern Ukraine.

 

[Xzi]

Doesn't mean I wanna start fights with foreign powers for no good reason.

The US isn't starting this fight, nor would we be involved with it directly.

I mean I know you and others think Putin and Russia is responsible for a lot of the evils of the world currently even though it's another such country's dictator and party that's responsible, but we can't talk about that now, can we?

I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about. Are you suggesting Ukraine has done anything to deserve these hostilities? Because they most certainly have not. This is about as black and white as scenarios get when it comes to geopolitics.

 

[Donnie-Burger]

Ukraine biggest Clinton Foundation donor of 10 Million US

What do these people have in common?
Pelosi's son, Kerry's son, Romney's son, Biden's son

Hint Geolocation = Ukraine

They playing checkers and Putin is playing chess

Game Over! = 78

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

Ratings are down bigly for news channels cus Trump isn't president anymore (yet).

And Senile Biden is so boring literally nobody cares what he is rambling about today so the media need to sex up and ramp up tensions about war for views.

 

[Xzi]

Ratings are down bigly for news channels cus Trump isn't president anymore (yet).

And Senile Biden is so boring literally nobody cares what he is rambling about today so the media need to sex up and ramp up tensions about war for views.

US media didn't amass 130,000 troops on Russia's border with Ukraine, so this is a throwaway take.

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

US media didn't amass 130,000 troops on Russia's border with Ukraine, so this is a throwaway take.

So? Countries flex their military strength literally every day. Why can't they put troops on their own border?

Unless you're going to pretend america doesn't float giant battleship freighters around the entire world.

 

[Xzi]

So? Countries flex their military strength literally every day. Why can't they put troops on their own border?

Because a few hundred troops can be handwaved away as a military exercise, but tens of thousands of troops is very blatantly a threat. Same as it would be if the US amassed that many active duty military on either of its borders.

Unless you're going to pretend america doesn't float giant battleship freighters around the entire world.

This might be relevant to a broader discussion on imperialism throughout history, but not at all to the discussion at hand.

 

[subcon959]

This might be relevant to a broader discussion on imperialism throughout history, but not at all to the discussion at hand.

It's only not relevant because it's a land border, but you have to admit those giant battleships are a lot more capable than a whole bunch of soldiers.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

The US isn't starting this fight, nor would we be involved with it directly.

No, it's the media and the current administration doing it.

I sincerely have no idea what you're talking about. Are you suggesting Ukraine has done anything to deserve these hostilities? Because they most certainly have not. This is about as black and white as scenarios get when it comes to geopolitics.

Nope, not talking about Ukraine, but another country that we will bow down under soon if things keep going the way they do. But that's not relevant to this particular topic anyways.

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

Because a few hundred troops can be handwaved away as a military exercise, but tens of thousands of troops is very blatantly a threat. Same as it would be if the US amassed that many active duty military on either of its borders.


This might be relevant to a broader discussion on imperialism throughout history, but not at all to the discussion at hand.

So basically it's ok when America does it

 

[Dr_Faustus]

What would happen if...

All soldiers would suddenly stop fighting in battle and respect and harmonize with their enemies?

Would it make sense if more than a million soldiers found a fraternal/peaceful solution than just one human at the top?

Would it make sense to compromise to live peacefully?

And what about love neighbor, what the Bible and other books show, why isn't that followed?

And why do we all (Volk)have a better solution than one in the power Chair?

Who is really our enemy? Media? Internet? or the President? or are we too stupid to see that?

Why isn't a dialogue enough to solve problems?

Why are you forced to do something you don't want to do?

What does freedom actually mean and does everyone get it?

These questions (above) are just small signposts why Human has no power to answer them... No Answer means War...

What you are basically describing, or at least partly is the Christmas Truce situation. I do not even know if its even a thing anymore but these days solders have far more on the line than the human element that represents them or the enemy. Chances are if they are in the military they have long since accepted, or in some cases are hoping to kill others in the name of their country's power.

Also added to the fact that things can be done remotely now and that further removes any human element from getting in the way of "what needs to be done".

So? Countries flex their military strength literally every day. Why can't they put troops on their own border?

Unless you're going to pretend america doesn't float giant battleship freighters around the entire world.

Its almost like people forgot the Cold War existed or something..

 

[Dakitten]

Well, if you think sucking Putin's dick is leadership, I'd advise you to pull your head out of your ass ASAP.

To be fair, Bits does seem like a Russian troll bot, so that might just be where it holsters. Can't fault him for putting his mouth where the money is!

 

[Purple_Shyguy]

To be fair, Bits does seem like a Russian troll bot, so that might just be where it holsters. Can't fault him for putting his mouth where the money is!

You sound like a troll Clinton bot

 

[Deleted member 194275]

This might be relevant to a broader discussion on imperialism throughout history, but not at all to the discussion at hand.

USA indeed move troops and ships in a threatening meaner, and they do that every single year. Very often they do that near Taiwan for example.

Speaking of Taiwan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/8/us-approves-support-deal-for-taiwan-patriot-missiles

So yeah, USA is the worst offender when it comes to official aggression, but that do not means that what Russia is doing is right, it just waive more weight on international community than USA actions for whatever reason.

 

[djpannda]

USA indeed move troops and ships in a threatening meaner, and they do that every single year. Very often they do that near Taiwan for example.

Speaking of Taiwan: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/2/8/us-approves-support-deal-for-taiwan-patriot-missiles

So yeah, USA is the worst offender when it comes to official aggression, but that do not means that what Russia is doing is right, it just waive more weight on international community than USA actions for whatever reason.

..yes USA have been horrible aggressors all thought out history
but that situations is a bit different as
Taiwan not only invites of USA themselves for Military training but also part of a defense treaty they have to patrol the area
in NOO WAYY is Ukraine Inviting Russian military

Taiwan inviting USA =/= Russian Threatening Ukraine

 

[Dakitten]

You sound like a troll Clinton bot

No u du! Seriously, you can do better than bringing up centrist hacks that haven't had the White House in decades. Heck, Bernie Bot at least targets the left and has alliteration to boot! Raise your standards~

That being said, it is kinda rich to see the American political right shift to non-involvement leanings after leading so many campaigns throughout recent history. I guess the hippies were all Nixon supporters the whole time...

 

[Glyptofane]

It feels like news media has been trying really hard to escalate things. The cynical part of me suspects they are acutely aware how a war could boost their otherwise falling viewership.

Either nothing more than another cold war will happen or just a very limited exchange for both the US and Russian governments to justify their shortcomings to their own people.

Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia and NATO should butt out anyway.

 

[alevan]

Ukraine was a test built from pieces that didn't match. Half of the country is made up of torn pieces from its neighbors. Different ethnicities were enclosed between the EU and Russia.

In recent years, the majority of Ukrainians have begun to assimilate the Russian ethnic group with increasing austerity, but with the generalization of laws, all ethnic groups have been affected by this process. In addition, the mood in the areas inhabited by Ukrainians is quite racist, thanks to the media and government.

In my opinion, the country should return areas inhabited by ethnic groups to its neighbors. This would mean that it would voluntarily dispose of much of its territory, relinquishing the resources there, but re-establishing borders would eliminate ethnic tensions in the country and allow it to focus on construction.

All of Russia's legal bases to oppose Ukraine's accession to the EU would disappear.

It is a pity that this would never happen in today's world.

 

[djpannda]

Either nothing more than another cold war will happen or just a very limited exchange for both the US and Russian governments to justify their shortcomings to their own people.

Ukraine rightfully belongs to Russia and NATO should butt out anyway.

lol what? that is completely stupid and Wrong in so Many levels lol
1. Ukraine was part of the USSR not Russia.
2. Ukraine was Bound Warsaw Pact, literal the same thing as NATO
3. The Moment USSR dissolved the Warsaw Pact became VOID.
3. The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991.

By that Logic MEXICO has claim to Texas, AZ, NV and CA.
and ENGLAND has claim to the whole Eastern seaboard

 

[Glyptofane]

lol what? that is completely stupid and Wrong in so Many levels lol
1. Ukraine was part of the USSR not Russia.
2. Ukraine was Bound Warsaw Pact, literal the same thing as NATO
3. The Moment USSR dissolved the Warsaw Pact became VOID.
3. The population of Ukraine voted overwhelmingly for independence in the referendum of December 1, 1991.

By that Logic MEXICO has claim to Texas, AZ, NV and CA.
and ENGLAND has claim to the whole Eastern seaboard

Well, alright then. If you really feel that strongly about it then here you go:

https://www.usa.gov/join-military