Covid-19 vaccine

[subcon959]

Yes, it is one of the best sources. Especially now when a clown isn't at the podium

So what you should've said is that you think the current Whitehouse administration is one of the best sources. The other made you seem neutral which is obviously not the case.

Btw, I do think you're wrong as it seems to me the incumbent government of any nation (including my own) have no choice but to spin things a certain way rather than be objective.

 

[linuxares]

So what you should've said is that you think the current Whitehouse administration is one of the best sources. The other made you seem neutral which is obviously not the case.

Btw, I do think you're wrong as it seems to me the incumbent government of any nation (including my own) have no choice but to spin things a certain way rather than be objective.

Nah, but they haven't spewed nonsense as far as I can tell. I know they're just in the hand of lobbiest in the end of the day.

A government shouldn't spin anything. They should be open and honest with it's people.

 

[subcon959]

A government shouldn't spin anything. They should be open and honest with it's people.

Has that ever been the case? I don't even see how it's possible.

Also, OMG at the above comment about the vaccine being a palliative. That might be the stupidest thing I've read today.

 

[NyaakoXD]

Do you support vaccine mandates for individuals who developed natural immunity to COVID?

In my opinion, yes, people who have developed natural immunity should still get the vaccine. It's another added layer of protection since natural immunity isn't perfect either and it also doesn't last forever. There's plenty of reports of people still getting the virus a second time even after they've recovered from it the first time. Plus, to even get natural immunity, someone has to get sick and recover from the virus first. And that is not a good chance to take, in all honesty.

Look, we get that you want your "freedom" and whatnot. But in this case, it's literally a global pandemic with this virus. Why the hell is taking a vaccine so political all of a sudden? How about instead think about your actual well-being and the well-being of others? Not get caught up in some political conspiracy bullshit when lives are actually in danger and people dying from the virus because they were too stubborn to not take a vaccine that could have gave them a much better chance to live. Rather than freedom, it sounds more like "freedumb". All this misinformation about the vaccine and making people not take any is what's murdering so many people with the virus.

It'd be too late if your unvaccinated close friends and family die off from COVID-19. Because once they're gone, they're gone. And there's no going back from it.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Yes, it is one of the best sources. Especially now when a clown isn't at the podium

Umm.....



Ok. Yeah. This is much better than before, 110%.

 

[RocaBOT]

Let's put il like that : you guys have the freedom to not take the vaccine, or follow mask mandates, or whatever else you want. And we have the freedom to not want to have to do anything with you, and to not have to be around you petri dishes for variants.

Freedom for everyone, i believe it's fair?

And well, if you do want to hang with us and stuff anyway, you still have the freedom to change your mind and follow the fucking rules or get the vaccine, am I right?

 

[subcon959]

Morrisons supermarket in the UK has decided to cut sick pay for employees that aren't vaccinated if they have to self isolate.

What concerns me is that it's entirely possible to be vaccinated and still have a positive test result and need to isolate. But in this case it seems you will get full sick pay.

I'm not comfortable with that at all even though I'm double jabbed and don't work at Morrisons.

 

[elk1007]

Nah, but they haven't spewed nonsense as far as I can tell. I know they're just in the hand of lobbiest in the end of the day.

A government shouldn't spin anything. They should be open and honest with it's people.

It is naïve to think only the politicians you agree with are honest.

 

[Holybond]

Let's put il like that : you guys have the freedom to not take the vaccine, or follow mask mandates, or whatever else you want. And we have the freedom to not want to have to do anything with you, and to not have to be around you petri dishes for variants.

Freedom for everyone, i believe it's fair?

And well, if you do want to hang with us and stuff anyway, you still have the freedom to change your mind and follow the fucking rules or get the vaccine, am I right?

I already got the vaccine, but this isn't how it works sadly. If that were the case it'd be fine but you can't ignore the mask mandates without your employer, the government, etc coming down on you and removing your ability to work and live. In most scenarios the whole "alienate those that are vaccine hesitant" is bad for discourse. Sure, there are a bunch of crazies that believe in flat earth and all these other conspiracy theories.

The problem is, is that people claim the vaccines protect you, the individual. So if someone else doesn't want to get the vaccine, it's THEIR life that's on the line. If they ignore all the signs and get sick, then that's something they should have to live with in my opinion but being given the illusion of choice like this is some sort of rpg where every dialogue option you pick still leads you to getting the vaccine isn't actually a choice. At least not where I live. Maybe somewhere in Florida you'll have a bit more freedom because that's where a lot of the crazies reside.

 

[djpannda]

It is naïve to think only the politicians you agree with are honest.

Yup that why Rumble videos of random influencers with no medical/ politically knowledge is the only thing I Trust… and whatever They try to peddle that week ..be it Gold/Emergency food /or my pillows…

 

[linuxares]

It is naïve to think only the politicians you agree with are honest.

*facepalm* How do you even manage to open a door?

 

[elk1007]

*facepalm* How do you even manage to open a door?

That's not an argument.

I already got the vaccine, but this isn't how it works sadly. If that were the case it'd be fine but you can't ignore the mask mandates without your employer, the government, etc coming down on you and removing your ability to work and live. In most scenarios the whole "alienate those that are vaccine hesitant" is bad for discourse. Sure, there are a bunch of crazies that believe in flat earth and all these other conspiracy theories.

The problem is, is that people claim the vaccines protect you, the individual. So if someone else doesn't want to get the vaccine, it's THEIR life that's on the line. If they ignore all the signs and get sick, then that's something they should have to live with in my opinion but being given the illusion of choice like this is some sort of rpg where every dialogue option you pick still leads you to getting the vaccine isn't actually a choice. At least not where I live. Maybe somewhere in Florida you'll have a bit more freedom because that's where a lot of the crazies reside.

The new progressive believes in segregation. I wish I were kidding

Yup that why Rumble videos of random influencers with no medical/ politically knowledge is the only thing I Trust… and whatever They try to peddle that week ..be it Gold/Emergency food /or my pillows…

No one can make you believe something.
One should approach any source of information with skepticism because everyone has incentives and personal motives. To believe things because they feel good or match one's current world view will only entrench one in their own bias.

 

[SyphenFreht]

The new progressive believes in segregation. I wish I were kidding
.

The fact that you think this is segregation is what should be worrisome. When blacks and whites were segregated, black people couldn't just don some white skin to avoid the segregation. Black people were killed just for trying to attend schools and public spaces. All the unvaccinated have to do is either vaccinate or at least wear a mask and comply with viral testing. I also have yet to see vaccinated people going bananas and fighting people who are unvaccinated, though a quick Google search will show a couple pages of unvaccinated people acting out of hand.

You know for all their talk of second amendment rights and all that tongue on cheek rebellion bullshit, Republicans don't seem to do much aside from racist half marches and whatever that mess at the Capitol Building was.

 

[djpannda]

Funny people want to cry infringing on personal rights while forgetting public safety “Trumps” personal freedom…funny how most you wear seat belts and understand seat belt laws when just 37 years ago.. seatbelts laws were unamerican.

P.S. why is it always Libertarians the ones to start shit

 

[RocaBOT]

If that were the case it'd be fine but you can't ignore the mask mandates without your employer, the government, etc coming down on you and removing your ability to work and live.

That's exactly the "we have the right to not want to have anything to do with you" part of my message, directed at those who want to put not only their lives, but the lives of others on the line.
They have their right on their bodies, and we and our employers and governments have the right to protect ourselves and vulnerable people around us, who cannot get the vaccines or for whom it is not effective, from those idiots who decided to not get it and follow none of the rules.

It's not like there are no alternatives, if someone doesn't want the vaccines then they can follow the rules about masks and shit. And if they don't want that either, they can just stop complaining if other people including their employer don't want to be around them. They have the right to protect their own bodies and their loved ones from ignorants that let the thing continue to go to 11. Simple as that really.

 

[Lacius]

No one can make you believe something.
One should approach any source of information with skepticism because everyone has incentives and personal motives. To believe things because they feel good or match one's current world view will only entrench one in their own bias.

Agreed. So, it's time to climb down from the conspiracy theory nonsense and accept the scientific data.

 

[AlexMCS]

• The amount of protection from "natural immunity" is unclear.
• The amount of protection from the vaccine is more clear and more controlled.

Eh... both are based on statistical inference. None is "clearer" than the other.
The "catch" is that reserach is much more prominent on the vaccines, for whatever reason.

• Vaccination increases protection even if you’ve already had COVID-19 and have "natural immunity."
  
• Vaccination appears to offer more protection than "natural immunity."

Same for those figures.

And I can't see any scientific basis as to why the direct contagion (the actual disease, after recovery) would give me less protection than the vaccine.
If anyone can explain this one to me, please do. I'm really curious about this one.

• The vaccine is not "experimental," nor is it "palliative."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

This is false though. Most of them are indeed experimental.
We're definitely being used as test subjects, particularly for mRNA and some of the Adenovirus vaccines.
It is understandable, however, given the situation and how contagious the whole thing is.

A lot of people who were taking unrelated drugs, like HCQ and Ivermectin were being used as test subjects as well, though with a much smaller risk, considering the substances, their pharmacokinetics and their side effects are widely known, unlike those of the new vaccination methods.

Attenuated vaccines (mostly the Chinese ones) are the closest to the "classic" vaccination approach, and they were the only ones I would be willing to take, if I were to take any of them at some point.

I got a pretty severe case of CoViD-19 back in March, and I really don't want me (or anyone else) to get it (again), but, not even accounting for the wild conspiracy theories, I'm not willing to be a test subject for a new vaccination method with completely unforeseen long term consequences.

I respect those that do get vaccinated, and wish they'd respect my decision not to be vaccinated in turn :/

 

[elk1007]

I'm wondering why members on this forum feel the need to curse and resort to personal attack in their posts.
If you don't form a valid argument, I cannot respond to it.
You will never change someone's mind by calling them names or showing how easily you become angry.
This is true regardless of your position.

 

[Immortallix]

Agreed. So, it's time to climb down from the conspiracy theory nonsense and accept the scientific data.

The scientific data says this thing ain't perfect.
https://scivisionpub.com/pdfs/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.23.21257679v1.full

Holy fucking shit, I am so sick of seeing this vaccine hesitancy, conspiracy and denialism. Get the jab and maybe we'd all be out of this by now. But no, instead the same group that screeches about freedoms then has the audacity to complain that this pandemic is "taking too long" or other such fluff. While also ignoring the fact that they're conveniently trampling on my freedom to not have to deal with their plague rat bullshit. Unless you have a valid medical reason to not get vaccinated, PLEASE DO IT.

1. Nah
2. Your jab not working m8?
As long as big pharma keep getting free money from governments all over the world this will never be over.

 

[elk1007]

As long as big pharma keep getting free money from governments all over the world this will never be over.

I have to agree with you.
Hospitals in the US get COVID funding from the federal government based on the number of COVID cases and COVID deaths.
They have financial incentive to declare anyone who had a positive COVID test as a COVID death.
The world gains a lot of nuance when you follow the money.