Three Wuhan lab researchers were hospitalized in November 2019

[Lacius]

Where there's smoke there's fire.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9630825/Is-finally-proof-Covid-DID-leak-Wuhan-lab.html

Many people still refuse to believe that it might be the case. Well, no world leader is going to do anything about it. Some talking about some sanction and that's it, China will never be hold accountable.

We definitely don't know that the virus originated from a lab, and even if it did, that doesn't mean it was artificially created. The lab isolates naturally occurring viruses all the time. We also know the virus was probably circulating around Wuhan some time before we previously thought it was.

 

[Xzi]

You probably dislike Dailymail

I have nothing against it as a tabloid, but that's all it has ever been and all it will ever be. At their best they take stories from other, more reputable outlets, and change up the title/contents just enough to avoid being ridiculed for it.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-mail/

Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

 

[DoubleDate]

I have nothing against it as a tabloid, but that's all it has ever been and all it will ever be. At their best they take stories from other, more reputable outlets, and change up the title/contents just enough to avoid being ridiculed for it.

It has his own sections, tabloids and news apart, world news events posted there i also can find it on Dutch news coverage websites, are you also implying that the biggest news sites in The Netherlands are collaborating with the Dailymail to spout out non true news? Seems far fetched doesn't it.

Every news site has also its tabloids part, nothing new. If the site was full of fake news i would've agreed with you, but every news posted there, i see it also on different news sites. I yet have to find a part where Dailymail is posting unreliable news. Again no disrespect meant to you.

 

[Xzi]

It has his own sections different from world news events that i also can find on Dutch news coverage websites, are you also implying that the biggest news sites in The Netherlands are cllaborating with the Dailymail to spout out non true news? Seems far fetched doesn't it.

It's the obvious bias and narrative they're trying to spin that's the big issue here. Everybody else is only reporting that some researchers fell sick in November, which on its own means a whole lot of nothing. But how does Daily Mail report it? "We have PROOF that COVID DEFINITELY ORIGINATED from this LAB in WUHAN!!1" Sensationalist horseshit.

 

[DoubleDate]

It's the obvious bias and narrative they're trying to spin that's the big issue here. Everybody else is only reporting that some researchers fell sick in November, which on its own means a whole lot of nothing. But how does Daily Mail report it? "We have PROOF that COVID DEFINITELY ORIGINATED from this LAB in WUHAN!!1" Sensationalist horseshit.

You are very biased against the Dailymail. Here in The Netherlands it was also on tv people talking about that the virus might escaped from a lab in China. Its not the Dailymail the only one reporting it, also a news site in the Carribean, far away from the UK is reporting the same thing. But again China will never be hold responsible for it, never gonna happen even if they admit it themselfs. Why? Because China brings in a lot of money, biggest market in the world.

But okay, i respect your view and your opinion. I just dont agree that Dailymail is that bad as you say that it is.

 

[Xzi]

You are very biased against the Dailymail.

I'm simply not its target audience, so it fails at feeding my own opinions back to me or emotionally manipulating me into an endless loop of fear and rage. I'll wait to form my opinion on the matter until the investigation is concluded and all the facts have been presented to us. Any reputable news outlet worth your time always does the same.

 

[DoubleDate]

I'm simply not its target audience, so it fails at feeding my own opinions back to me or emotionally manipulating me into an endless loop of fear and rage. I'll wait to form my opinion on the matter until the investigation is concluded and all the facts have been presented to us. Any reputable news outlet worth your time always does the same.

That its is not your target audience is comprenhensible, i can understand that, but calling it a site posting fake news because its not to your liking seems biased to me. Again, all the news posted there can be found on reliable big Dutch news websites. Anyways even if China was behind it no one will ever know, that information will never be on public domain.

Well, we both agree to disagree.

 

[Darth Meteos]

I see nothing wrong at looking into all possibilities.

I read it. The problem is not "We should determine the origin of COVID," that's absurd. The problem is that it's being used as a political tool. As far as we know, the closest relative of SARS-CoV-2 reported from the Wuhan lab is about a dozen mutations away, even the fucking Daily Mail got that one right. Therefore, seeing as the evidence is thin as fuck, there is no need to pivot away from "there is all but no evidence yet, this is stupid and wrong."

Further evidence will change my position on this issue. As it is, this thread is highly cancerous, and full of over-reactionary garbage.

Calling it a site posting fake news because its not to your liking seems biased to me.

"to your liking"
This assumes that there are two equally valid positions.

One position is correct and fact-based.
The other is anti-intellectual and full of inconsistency.
The Daily Mail is not a bad source because the content is upsetting to Xzi, it's because it's fuckin' false.

 

[SG854]

That its is not your target audience is comprenhensible, i can understand that, but calling it a site posting fake news because its not to your liking seems biased to me. Again, all the news posted there can be found on reliable big Dutch news websites. Anyways even if China was behind it no one will ever know, that information will never be on public domain.

Well, we both agree to disagree.

The daily mail is only one source. If anyone is to take what it says seriously you need multiple sources that says the same thing. And also confirmation by the who and major doctors that are the big front runners when it comes to covid information like Dr. Fauchi.

Without all this backing then no one will take the information seriously and the only people who will are people who don't know how to research properly, they are the ones that will be suckered into it.

 

[SAIYAN48]

Considering China's crimes against humanity and that the rumour that they have been working on bio-weapons, it wouldn't suprise me if COVID was created in a lab.

 

[SG854]

I read it. The problem is not "We should determine the origin of COVID," that's absurd. The problem is that it's being used as a political tool. As far as we know, the closest relative of SARS-CoV-2 reported from the Wuhan lab is about a dozen mutations away, even the fucking Daily Mail got that one right. Therefore, seeing as the evidence is thin as fuck, there is no need to pivot away from "there is all but no evidence yet, this is stupid and wrong."

Further evidence will change my position on this issue. As it is, this thread is highly cancerous, and full of over-reactionary garbage.


"to your liking"
This assumes that there are two equally valid positions.

One position is correct and fact-based.
The other is anti-intellectual and full of inconsistency.
The Daily Mail is not a bad source because the content is upsetting to Xzi, it's because it's fuckin' false.

It doesn't matter if it's being used as a political tool. Researches should not be prevented from doing research. That should not be an excuse to deter from what a researcher is suppose to do.

They should still look into the lab as a possibility. Because then you are not doing proper research. If you can't look into the lab as a possibility then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy that there is all but no evidence yet. Looking at all possibilities is not stupid and wrong. It's how you do research properly in a non biased manner.

If your so sure that it's naturally occurring then your theory should be air tight no matter what you throw at it. You should always try to disprove yourself rather then confirm your biases. That's how actual research is done. It only makes your belief that its naturally occurring in nature stronger when no matter how many times you try to disapprove it, it stills holds up.

 

[Darth Meteos]

It doesn't matter if it's being used as a political tool. Researches should not be prevented from doing research. That should not be an excuse to deter from what a researcher is suppose to do.

Ah yes, because what I am doing is preventing researchers from doing their job. I'm burning the evidence as we speak.

I'm saying the discourse is shit, that no findings have been finalized, and everything we do have access to is no proof at all. That discussing this in any way other than dismissively until actual evidence appears just might be a good idea. That's why I opened with "Don't pivot," because I way referring to the conduct of the people putting out fires.

 

[SG854]

Ah yes, because what I am doing is preventing researchers from doing their job. I'm burning the evidence as we speak.

I'm saying the discourse is shit, that no findings have been finalized, and everything we do have access to is no proof at all. That discussing this in any way other than dismissively until actual evidence appears just might be a good idea. That's why I opened with "Don't pivot," because I way referring to the conduct of the people putting out fires.

A random comment on a Gaming forum is definitely not preventing anything ha ha. But you get what I mean in a general sense.

Discourse is not shit. It's what helps people understand what's going on and crushes any conspiracy theories and people acting crazy based on that. You may not think it does nothing because some of the people you debate here are hard headed. But trust me these discourses are a good thing and many people do come to their senses from them even if you don't see or hear from them.

 

[Deleted User]

Unfortunately, people read into things what they want to read, which is why most come into Forums looking for confirmation on their bias more than anything else.

The World has seen Bioweapons.
The World knows how to create effective Bioweapons.
The principles of said effective Bioweapon is that it has to be immediate and can be focused as a weapon.

Anyone who thinks COVID-19 is a Manmade Bioweapon has no competence talking about Biological Warfare.

That said, it can very well be claimed as a Bioweapon, much like every other Viral Infection that Humans have had to adapt to, so I suggest forming an International Committee and sending a strongly-worded objection to Mother Nature ...

 

[SAIYAN48]

Why cause WW3, when you can unleash COVID and no one will do anything to your country?

 

[SG854]

Why cause WW3, when you can unleash COVID and no one will do anything to your country?

Why cause WW3, when you can unleash Fast-food and no will will do anything to your country?

They are secretly making everyone too fat to fight back conspiracy theory to watch out for.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Even Dr. Fauchi wants to look into the lab theory as a possibility. He still says he believes it's nature occurring, but there is a possibility that it leaked from the lab. And honestly scientist should look into all possibilities because that's how you do proper science and not biased science.

Liberals base their entire existence on biased science.

 

[SG854]

Liberals base their entire existence on biased science.

I hope you didn't get that opinion from biased sources.

 

[Xzi]

Liberals base their entire existence on biased science.

"Biased science" doesn't survive the scientific method. And any science that doesn't use the scientific method isn't actually science to begin with.

 

[Iamapirate]

media's about a year late in telling us what we already know.