Three Wuhan lab researchers were hospitalized in November 2019

[Benja81]

The only reason to be afraid of the vaccine is if you believe it was created nefariously. Well not even only that, you'd have to also believe that this villain also included some type of sci-fi switch they could flip for every person infected (for what purpose idk), and of course also believe this applies to the vaccinated too. If you don't believe in all that, based on the science of what we know about vaccines, getting the vaccine will be 1000x better than getting the real thing and being unvaccinated. Plus there's the fact nobody seems to know for sure who will end up with life threatening symptoms and who will have long term effects among the unvaccinated.

 

[omgcat]

being from a lab does not mean made in a lab. it is possible this was a virus sampled from the wild that through improper handling infected the scientists and got out.

 

[Jayro]

What ever happened to "It came from a guy that ate bat soup"..? (I still wanna sue that guy, if he didn't die from it.)

 

[SG854]

Any particular reason not to get the vaccine?

The fact that it hasn't been tested enough. It's not FDA approved. And it's under emergency use.

The benefits may out weigh the negatives with testing so far which is how it got through to emergency use, but the vaccine hasn't been tested long enough to know any other effects. And the Emergency use can be revoked at any time if they discover that the negatives outweigh the positives.

It's not an approved vaccine and that's the main point. And we are all Guinea Pigs. I can see why people will be warry of not taking it. And I wouldn't shame them either. And I wouldn't tell them either that they are the problem that people are dying because of them not taking the vaccine and using that to shame them.

You can flash them numbers all you want about the % of not getting covid if they take it or the % of its success rate. But like I said, at the end of the day it's not approved. They are working right now to get it approved but it's not there yet. Until it's approved then I can understand them being hesitant.


For me I'm fully vaccinated because I apparently don't care if something bad happens to me from the vaccine. If I die then oh well.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Which lab? An American perhaps?
0,5% of the American population seem to have had antibodies in Dec 2019 and 1,5% in Jan 2021 (see Red Cross blood donation analysis).

 

[Deleted User]

Which lab? An American perhaps?
0,5% of the American population seem to have had antibodies in Dec 2019 and 1,5% in Jan 2021 (see Red Cross blood donation analysis).

A Chinese one.

 

[JonhathonBaxster]

Remember when certain people here say it was a conspiracy lol

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1396594501293072385

https://twitter.com/FRANCE24/status/1396636202514620419

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1396623877464203269

https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1396614439777017856

Not only did the Liberal media call the Conservatives origin theory a conspiracy they also stopped calling the virus the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus and started denying it originated in Wuhan, China. That's after two months calling it the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus and publishing articles claiming it originated in Wuhan. I'd almost laugh at how pathetic the Liberals have been, but this circumstance doesn't surprise me what so ever. They are complete sheep that listen to their media mogul masters. It's actually quite pathetic.

Now at least with bi-partisan support we may get to the bottom of exactly where the Chinese Wuhan Coronavirus (COVID-19) originated from. We all know it came from Wuhan China, but there's two running theories of exactly where in Wuhan the virus came from. The first is the exposure to a bat or varmint from the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market where they sell live wild animals for consumption and the second theory is it was created and then escaped from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which is a lab in Wuhan where experiments are run on virii.

If for some reason it did originate from the Lab I hope the entire world holds China accountable. I know the CCP has their claws in the Liberal media with this entire situation being a clear example. Maybe it's time for that to change.

As for me being vaccinated I'm actually trans-vax. I didn't get the COVID-19 vaccination, but I identify that I did. Please respect my pronouns!

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News keep being manipulated in favor of a single side, precisely now that, that side is being surpassed by the achievements of their "adversaries".

For the most part, massive media news will always serve "superior reasons" in sake of their own preservation and in detriment of the truth, always seeking public approval for already planned and approved countermeasures.

All news media companies that have business with the party seeking public approval will copycat whatever they're being told. That's how public manipulation works, we almost never get to see/read/hear the other side's version, or such version gets fastly discredited by any possible means.

I don't trust massive media news anymore, at least not those that have more than 2 centuries manipulating the news given to the public. They totally forgot why they were founded.

This is very insightful. One of the most positive things that came out of Trump's Presidency was the public becoming aware of how fake the main stream media news really is. I'll be honest, but before Trump I took stories in the newspaper and online at face value and gave the authors the benefit of doubt when it came to truthfulness. Not anymore.

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The fact that it hasn't been tested enough. It's not FDA approved. And it's under emergency use.

The benefits may out weigh the negatives with testing so far which is how it got through to emergency use, but the vaccine hasn't been tested long enough to know any other effects. And the Emergency use can be revoked at any time if they discover that the negatives outweigh the positives.

It's not an approved vaccine and that's the main point. And we are all Guinea Pigs. I can see why people will be warry of not taking it. And I wouldn't shame them either. And I wouldn't tell them either that they are the problem that people are dying because of them not taking the vaccine and using that to shame them.

You can flash them numbers all you want about the % of not getting covid if they take it or the % of its success rate. But like I said, at the end of the day it's not approved. They are working right now to get it approved but it's not there yet. Until it's approved then I can understand them being hesitant.


For me I'm fully vaccinated because I apparently don't care if something bad happens to me from the vaccine. If I die then oh well.

I got the COVID-19 vaccine because I always get vaccines. I also get my yearly flu vaccine and get any recommended vaccines from my doctor. The fact that the COVID-19 vaccine is relatively new and its long time effects unknown sort of threw me off, but after seeing how only 1-2% of people had bad side effects I decided I'd get it. It's sort of like how 99.8% of people who get COVID-19 survive. Both the virus and the vaccine are no big deal really. It sort of reminds me of the yearly flu.

 

[Darth Meteos]

Jesus, what a dumpster fire.

Spoiler: This whole-ass forum

 

[Deleted User]

... By this logic, every Colonised Country in the World would have legal standing to sue Europe for all the STDs and plagues they introduced to the Population.

Unfortunately, that's not how it works and cherry-picking doesn't add to the objectivity of the notion.

What I see are a lot of unproven accusations on China.
This would've fit well with the 2020 narrative, but this is 2021 when one of the World's most pervasive variant is the UK Variant.

Crickets on accountability.
The Automatic Response is that it's one's fault for getting it; how is that any different for the original strain.

If the West see themselves as the beacon of Science, how can they blame the lowly Asian country for attaining a disease but not their own failings in proving their superiority and letting this run rampant in their population.

It took months for the West to even acknowledge the preventive measures of Face Masks, and Europe was quick to turn down aid from South Korea. Because they're so much better at this.

Refer back to Automatic Response.

 

[JonhathonBaxster]

What I see are a lot of unproven accusations on China.
This would've fit well with the 2020 narrative, but this is 2021 when one of the World's most pervasive variant is the UK Variant.

Failure! The mutation that caused the new "UK" variant of COVID-19 happened months after the original virus that originated in Wuhan, China spread across the world. Try again.

 

[Deleted User]

Failure! The UK mutation that caused the new variant of COVID-19 happened months after the original virus that originated in Wuhan, China spread across the world. Try again.

... I'm not sure if this is from your lack of understanding, but I'll provide a reply.

The main points:

• Does China have control over other Countries' Health and Safety Measures;
• COVID-19 came from China;
• COVID-19 is no longer the Main Variant;
• West wants to hold China accountable for their own Countries' Health and Safety Measures;
  
• COVID-19 UK Variant came from the UK;
• COVID-19 is one of the Main Variants; and
  
• West wants zero from the UK.

I hope that's clear enough for you.

 

[JonhathonBaxster]

... I'm not sure if this is from your lack of understanding, but I'll provide a reply.

The main points:

• Does China have control over other Countries' Health and Safety Measures
• COVID-19 came from China
• COVID-19 is no longer the Main Variant
• COVID-19 UK Variant came from the UK
• COVID-19 came is one of the Main Variant
• West wants to hold China accountable for their own Countries' Health and Safety Measures.
• West wants zero from the UK

I hope that's clear enough for you.

LOL. Failed again. It's not the UK's fault that the virus that came from China and infected the entire world mutated. That would be China's fault. Try again.

 

[Deleted User]

LOL. Failed again.

I admire your genuine lack of grasp on logic.
Go ahead and take my Like.

 

[JonhathonBaxster]

I admire your genuine lack of grasp on logic.
Go ahead and take my Like.

Why per tell would the west want anything from the UK? It's not the UK's fault that the Chinese virus mutated!

 

[Deleted User]

Why per tell would the west want anything from the UK? It's not the UK's fault that the Chinese virus mutated!

And it's also not UK's fault that Covid originated from China, like wtf.

 

[chrisgfystoops]

But bro, I got the vaccine and now I can connect devices to the wi-fi my brain emits. /s

heh, funny

 

[depaul]

It's indeed possible the virus was man-made and leaked from Wuhan lab. But, what is more mysterious, how did China get rid of Covid?

It's been a year now and China is still at 90K total cases ! And no I don't think they are lying there are a lot of events where their citizens go unmasked and without protection or whatever.

There is some secret, maybe they've got the cure as well

 

[JonhathonBaxster]

It's indeed possible the virus was man-made and leaked from Wuhan lab. But, what is more mysterious, how did China get rid of Covid?

It's been a year now and China is still at 90K total cases ! And no I don't think they are lying there are a lot of events where their citizens go unmasked and without protection or whatever.

There is some secret, maybe they've got the cure as well

China has had a vaccine and their shut down measures are extreme. Extreme being they have troops on the ground patrolling cities with curfews and shutdowns that will arrest anyone for breaking them. Since China is a communist nation their citizens don't have that many rights. I also wouldn't put much faith in the country that hid the virus from the entire world when it comes to how many they are reporting are infected or not.

 

[WorldOfNerds]

Someone probably already mentioned this, but as much as this conspiracy goes, I just don't think that china made the virus. sure, they hid the true number of infections to make it seem like it was under control, but India has been suspected of making the same move, and faking infection numbers doesn't exactly mean that they engineered CoV-19.

Also, this Coronavirus isn't the first, its a mutation of SARS, likely transmitted from bats being sold in china's wet market.

To sum up my opinion, I'm not saying that china doesn't modify and produce virulents, but I doubt that is the case this time.

 

[Valwinz]

It's indeed possible the virus was man-made and leaked from Wuhan lab. But, what is more mysterious, how did China get rid of Covid?

It's been a year now and China is still at 90K total cases ! And no I don't think they are lying there are a lot of events where their citizens go unmasked and without protection or whatever.

There is some secret, maybe they've got the cure as well

the same way the gid rid of the people they got at the uighur camps