Conservative Radio Host Rush Limbaugh dead at 70

[Plasmaster09]

I just listed the worst murderers of the last 100 years. The only one missing from the list was Hitler ... he caused a little less intentional death than either Stalin or Mao though. You're saying Trump belongs on that shelf?

No, but his prior actions indicate he'd put himself up there if it meant more power or "fame". (Mostly because said actions indicate he'd do damn near ANYTHING if it meant more power or "fame".) However, I wasn't really going on that point in particular (sorry for the ambiguous wording)- moreso the whole "heartless, basically-megalomaniacal dictator willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to keep themselves in power" thing.
Plus, he'd distort the system into the kind you mention (assuming you're actually talking about a system of single-figure corruption and not just spouting red-scare nonsense)- an even more apt comparison to make would be to Russia's current political situation, where the voting choices are Putin or polonium. Need I bring up just how hard he tried to cheat this past election already? Or his tendency to fire or antagonize anyone that dares disagree him or disobey him (and by disobey I mean not do something he told them to that they LITERALLY DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO), which (extrapolating from his past replacements for said "traitorous" individuals) could, if left unchecked, effectively trash checks-and-balances in favor of a government made of yes-men?

 

[Hanafuda]

No, but his prior actions indicate he'd put himself up there if it meant more power or "fame".

So, just your speculative hyperbole and ignorance. I didn't read the rest, waste of time.

 

[SG854]

No, but his prior actions indicate he'd put himself up there if it meant more power or "fame". (Mostly because said actions indicate he'd do damn near ANYTHING if it meant more power or "fame".) However, I wasn't really going on that point in particular (sorry for the ambiguous wording)- moreso the whole "heartless, basically-megalomaniacal dictator willing to sacrifice anyone and anything to keep themselves in power" thing.
Plus, he'd distort the system into the kind you mention (assuming you're actually talking about a system of single-figure corruption and not just spouting red-scare nonsense)- an even more apt comparison to make would be to Russia's current political situation, where the voting choices are Putin or polonium. Need I bring up just how hard he tried to cheat this past election already? Or his tendency to fire or antagonize anyone that dares disagree him or disobey him (and by disobey I mean not do something he told them to that they LITERALLY DO NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO), which (extrapolating from his past replacements for said "traitorous" individuals) could, if left unchecked, effectively trash checks-and-balances in favor of a government made of yes-men?

Alot of words but didn't answer his question, alot of dodging and beating around the bush.

He could've put himself on the level of Stalin or Hitler? If given the chance based on your analysis of his prior actions. lol. Your what could've been predictions... You just made that up out of thin air without any good basis. You were really reaching at this one. Please be a little more realistic. It makes your criticism of Trump harder to get through to people with something ridiculous as this.

 

[Seliph]

Because a system that puts men like Stalin, Krushchev, Kim Jong-il and Jong-un, Mao Zadong, Lê Duẩn, Pol Pot, and Tito in power ... is much better I guess???

That's an argument for another time that I'd rather have with someone more pleasant but for the record, I'm an Anarchist, not a Socialist. Just because I criticize Capitalism doesn't mean I support men like Stalin.

 

[SG854]

That's an argument for another time but for the record, I'm an Anarchist, not a Socialist. Just because I criticize Capitalism doesn't mean I support men like Stalin.

That's the problem with some people. They see no granularity to peoples opinions. It helps them to maintain their opinions and not feel threatened by dealing in absolutes. Its either one way or another. There's no in between.

Only a Sith deals in Absolutes - Obi-Wan Kenobi, Starwars

Not a criticism of Hanafuda since I didn't read his previous comments to know if he thinks like this or not.

 

[KingVamp]

Whether deal with someone who imperfect, but willing to change than people who aren't willing to.

That's an argument for another time that I'd rather have with someone more pleasant but for the record, I'm an Anarchist, not a Socialist. Just because I criticize Capitalism doesn't mean I support men like Stalin.

None of the serious picks were anarchist and I doubt anarchy will ever take hold, even in the far future.

 

[Seliph]

None of the serious picks were anarchist and I doubt anarchy will ever take hold, even in the far future.

Very likely true, but I'll still advocate for a better future while I'm still here on Earth

 

[Plasmaster09]

Alot of words but didn't answer his question, alot of dodging and beating around the bush.

He could've put himself on the level of Stalin or Hitler? If given the chance based on your analysis of his prior actions. lol. Your what could've been predictions... You just made that up out of thin air without any good basis. You were really reaching at this one. Please be a little more realistic. It makes your criticism of Trump harder to get through to people with something ridiculous as this.

thing is that the level you're saying I think he could've put himself at... isn't the one I'm saying he could've put himself at
hanafuda made the connection as one of pure death toll
I made the connection as one of megalomania and dictatorship
Trump put kids in fucking concentration camps, spent a decent amount of his time systematically hollowing out as much of the government that he could that wasn't directly dependent on the President's wishes, put the WORST PLAUSIBLE PEOPLE in charge of the parts he couldn't eradicate (like putting two climate-change deniers at the head of the EPA and the either-illiterate-or-fraudulent dipshit, creationist and general embarrassment Betsy DeVos as Education Secretary), stuffed the administration with his own family members (and campaign donors too, because nepotism wasn't enough), and basically tried to shit on every part of basic common sense and human rights he could in order to suppress groups that would likely hate his ass with a passion
in terms of dictatorship, megalomania and general suppression/oppression of all groups that disagree with him (though that does naturally fold into dictatorship, it's a part of it he seems to specialize in)... Trump is up there

So, just your speculative hyperbole and ignorance. I didn't read the rest, waste of time.

Of course you didn't. You can't stand reading something you disagree with, so you (ironically and hypocritically enough) remained willfully ignorant instead.

 

[SonowRaevius]

This is the thread where ignorant, immature, cold little bastards wallow around in each others' ejaculate in celebration over a person dying.

It's funny how there is always someone like you trying to defend an obviously terrible person that just died like they deserved the dignity/sympathy they never fucking afforded anyone else just because they happen to align with your political end of the spectrum.

Or did you somehow miss that this was a person that routinely celebrated the death of people that died from diseases or their sexuality and even made a show and spectacle of it.

 

[Plasmaster09]

It's funny how there is always someone like you trying to defend an obviously terrible person that just died like they deserved the dignity/sympathy they never fucking afforded anyone else just because they happen to align with your political end of the spectrum.

Or did you somehow miss that this was a person that routinely celebrated the death of people that died from diseases or their sexuality and even made a show and spectacle of it.

yeah uh
no matter the political affiliation, rush limbaugh was such an absolutely horrible person that he borders on bypassing the distinction between logos and pathos and becoming definable as an objectively bad human being
the death of someone like him deserves not a single tear, but instead a vast array of jabs, quips and schadenfreude-laden laughter at his postmortem expense
speaking of which, just check out all the stupid shit he said
for example:
"I've got the solution to most crime in America. From this day forward, somebody propose it, liberals should not be allowed to buy guns. It's just that simple. Liberals should have their speech controlled and not be allowed to buy guns."
No, I'm serious, he actually said that. Talk about the literal definition of hypocrisy.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

yeah uh
no matter the political affiliation, rush limbaugh was such an absolutely horrible person that he borders on bypassing the distinction between logos and pathos and becoming definable as an objectively bad human being
the death of someone like him deserves not a single tear, but instead a vast array of jabs, quips and schadenfreude-laden laughter at his postmortem expense
speaking of which, just check out all the stupid shit he said
for example:
"I've got the solution to most crime in America. From this day forward, somebody propose it, liberals should not be allowed to buy guns. It's just that simple. Liberals should have their speech controlled and not be allowed to buy guns."
No, I'm serious, he actually said that. Talk about the literal definition of hypocrisy.

Dear god, this dude is like the physical manifestation of Poe's law

 

[Hanafuda]

That's an argument for another time that I'd rather have with someone more pleasant but for the record, I'm an Anarchist, not a Socialist. Just because I criticize Capitalism doesn't mean I support men like Stalin.

Fair enough.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Dear god, this dude is like the physical manifestation of Poe's law

On the topic of lesbians, his response demonstrating he can't even be a PREDICTABLE kind of fucking stupid:
"And, of course, the answers to the first case is they don't have to deal with men, so they don't have to worry about their appearance. They're not trying to please men. So they can be obese. It's no big deal. Alcohol, who knows? They're having to deal with women so they're drunk."
Tl;dr:
"All lesbians are obese drug addicts."
-Rush Limbaugh (paraphrased), obese drug addict (he had a bit of a history on that front, including getting charged with doctor-shopping so that he could get his fix of OxyContin in truly colossal quantities... but simultaneously wanted harsh treatment of all drug offenders, violent or otherwise, without noticing the hypocrisy)

 

[Hanafuda]

It's funny how there is always someone like you trying to defend an obviously terrible person that just died like they deserved the dignity/sympathy they never fucking afforded anyone else just because they happen to align with your political end of the spectrum.

Or did you somehow miss that this was a person that routinely celebrated the death of people that died from diseases or their sexuality and even made a show and spectacle of it.

I didn't miss it. In fact, rather than just take it as fact because someone said so, I read more about it. The "AID's report" on Rush Limbaugh's show lasted 2 weeks, and he abruptly ended it. Whether it included the egregious mocking, bell ringing and so-forth, nobody can say for sure because there seems to be no audio of it. Ironically the only people who seem to remember anything like that are people who would never have listened to him in the first place. That certain tunes were played as background music ("I'll Never Love That Way Again") I do not doubt, since the use of BGM song titles to play off the theme for a segment has been something Rush's program has done for decades. But like I said, he terminated it quickly, calling it, "one of the most regretful things I’ve ever done” because it was “making fun of people who were dying long, painful and excruciating deaths.” He could listen, he could learn, he was not an unsympathetic person. I can tell you, from having been there, that jokes about AIDs were COMMON in the 80's and early 90's. Very common. It was not touching the regular populace, and homosexuality was not anywhere near as normalized in the culture as now. That's just truth. Not saying that in defense of Rush, or those times ... more as an indictment of the ignorance of everyone then. But ignorance is excusable, refusing to learn is not. Rush stopped that segment and stopped it almost as soon as it started, and expressed his regret for it.

I also get a kick out of people calling Rush such a racist. If that were true, I doubt he'd have let his show be produced, engineered, and occasionally hosted by his great friend Bo Snerdley (James Golden).

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yeah uh
no matter the political affiliation, rush limbaugh was such an absolutely horrible person that he borders on bypassing the distinction between logos and pathos and becoming definable as an objectively bad human being
the death of someone like him deserves not a single tear, but instead a vast array of jabs, quips and schadenfreude-laden laughter at his postmortem expense
speaking of which, just check out all the stupid shit he said
for example:
"I've got the solution to most crime in America. From this day forward, somebody propose it, liberals should not be allowed to buy guns. It's just that simple. Liberals should have their speech controlled and not be allowed to buy guns."
No, I'm serious, he actually said that. Talk about the literal definition of hypocrisy.

You seem to be as deaf to sarcasm as Rush Limbaugh was deaf to everything.

 

[Plasmaster09]

I didn't miss it. In fact, rather than just take it as fact because someone said so, I read more about it. The "AID's report" on Rush Limbaugh's show lasted 2 weeks, and he abruptly ended it. Whether it included the egregious mocking, bell ringing and so-forth, nobody can say for sure because there seems to be no audio of it. Ironically the only people who seem to remember anything like that are people who would never have listened to him in the first place. That certain tunes were played as background music ("I'll Never Love That Way Again") I do not doubt, since the use of BGM song titles to play off the theme for a segment has been something Rush's program has done for decades. But like I said, he terminated it quickly, calling it, "one of the most regretful things I’ve ever done” because it was “making fun of people who were dying long, painful and excruciating deaths.” He could listen, he could learn, he was not an unsympathetic person. I can tell you, from having been there, that jokes about AIDs were COMMON in the 80's and early 90's. Very common. It was not touching the regular populace, and homosexuality was not anywhere near as normalized in the culture as now. That's just truth. Not saying that in defense of Rush, or those times ... more as an indictment of the ignorance of everyone then. But ignorance is excusable, refusing to learn is not. Rush stopped that segment and stopped it almost as soon as it started, and expressed his regret for it.

I also get a kick out of people calling Rush such a racist. If that were true, I doubt he'd have let his show be produced, engineered, and occasionally hosted by his great friend Bo Snerdley (James Golden).

Ah yes, the friend argument. "I'm not [bigoted against X], I have a friend who's [X]!" Purified bullshit.
In fact, arguing Rush isn't racist because of Bo Snerdley is such a commonly cited bad excuse that the RationalWiki article on him outright mentions that it's used as an excuse for his racism. Yes, the bullcrap you're spouting is so common that ThE lEfTiStS taking the piss out of him already knew about it and why it's bullcrap.

You seem to be as deaf to sarcasm as Rush Limbaugh was deaf to everything.

I just checked the transcript of the original call in which he said that, and there's no hint of sarcasm. In addition, the caller that he responds to with that is almost as much of a Richter-scale wingnut as he is.
https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/01/18/ban_guns_and_free_speech_for_libs/

 

[Hanafuda]

I just checked the transcript of the original call in which he said that

You can tell whether someone is sarcastic or not from text? Damn.

 

[Plasmaster09]

You can tell whether someone is sarcastic or not from text? Damn.

From text and all its context, in some cases (like this one), yes.
Unless the entire conversation is satirical (which runs contradictory to most of Limbaugh's staunch fuck-the-libs beliefs, and also requires that the caller either be comically oblivious or ALSO in on the snark, which is EXTREMELY unlikely), there are absolutely zero hints of reasonably detectable sarcasm- and generally speaking, mega-wingnuts like him are nigh incapable of subtlety or actual sarcasm (their idea of sarcasm is usually just straw-men arguments phrased as "oh sure, I guess we should do X then too" affirmatives), let alone both.
So in this case... yes.

 

[SonowRaevius]

"one of the most regretful things I’ve ever done” because it was “making fun of people who were dying long, painful and excruciating deaths.”

Just because you say you're sorry doesn't mean you are and the fact that he continued to berate/insult/and point hatred towards the LGBT community clearly shows that. Unless of course you're trying to excuse him saying that LGBT are against american values/america itself and that a gay guy turning his back to you is an invitation. Or how about when he said that ones sexual preference not being a choice was drivel. I am sure he was just soooooo sorry about that AIDS/Gay comments though, surely.

This is the same kind of bullshit with Alex Jones saying that what he says on Info Wars wasn't the real him and it was just in character. If he meant what he said and was sorry why the fuck would he go back and keep on pedaling the same nonsensical bullshit and even making live, public appearances.

On that note, just because there were jokes about AIDS and the victims in 90's and 80's didn't fucking make it any better and the fact that you are trying to defend that shit is absolutely outrageous and further proves what a piece of work you are, as you seem to think something is cool just because it occurred at the time. Beating and killing minorities and homosexuals was common for a long time in the US And elsewhere, doesn't meant it was right then either? This is the most idiotic point you could have made, but man I guess you just had to try your hardest to justify what shitty people do no matter what.

 

[Hanafuda]

On that note, just because there were jokes about AIDS and the victims in 90's and 80's didn't fucking make it any better and the fact that you are trying to defend that shit is absolutely outrageous and further proves what a piece of work you are, as you seem to think something is cool just because it occurred at the time. Beating and killing minorities and homosexuals was common for a long time in the US And elsewhere, doesn't meant it was right then either? This is the most idiotic point you could have made, but man I guess you just had to try your hardest to justify what shitty people do no matter what.

"Not saying that in defense of Rush, or those times ... more as an indictment of the ignorance of everyone then."

Perhaps you didn't catch that part?

 

[bloodfalco]

Rush Act from Babylon 5 was named after him.