Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[Cryoraptor]

We have in vitro studies that show the vaccines are still effective against at least some of the new strains. If they are less effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible, in order to mitigate the spread of these new strains.

In other words, if the vaccine offers 60% protection instead of 95%, for example, we need to get that vaccine in as many people as possible as soon as possible to reduce the number of likely disease vectors and reduce the odds of coming into contact with the new strains. It would result in an exponential decline in new strain cases.

60% protection still means a 60% lower chance of catching the disease, and if you do, a 60% lower chance of you developing symptoms, and so on. We're not trying to eradicate COVID, we're trying to stop people from going to hospital and above all, dying.

 

[tabzer]

If they are less effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible

less is more...

 

[Lacius]

less is more...

Thanks for cutting out the part of my post where I attempted to give you an accessible crash course in epidemiology in order to explain why it's even more important to vaccinate as many people as possible if the vaccine is somewhat less effective against new strains. You sound like a fucking moron. I can't imagine how you don't feel any shame or embarrassment by that post.

 

[tabzer]

Thanks for cutting out the part of my post where I attempted to give you an accessible crash course in epidemiology in order to explain why it's even more important to vaccinate as many people as possible if the vaccine is somewhat less effective against new strains. You sound like a fucking moron.

Blah blah. You said a dumb thing. I pointed it out.

 

[Foxi4]

The flu mutates every single year, but we don't have a global flu-based culling every single winter season because we've developed an immune response to viruses that are *like* it. Some people die every year, but catching the flu or the common cold is no longer a world-shattering event for *most* people. A vaccine is like a punching bag - it's not just like punching someone, but it lets you learn some technique without breaking your knuckles in the process. Depending on the mutation the efficacy may be reduced, but we're not talking about one strain completely replacing the other, we're dealing with both simultaneously. It's not a this or that, it's both, at the same time. This should motivate you to take it *more*, not less, as your odds of contracting the virus have increased, not decreased.

 

[Lacius]

Blah blah. You said a dumb thing. I pointed it out.

No, I didn't, and the fact that you don't see that is part of the reason why you should be embarrassed.

If a vaccine is somewhat less effective against new strains, then we need to reduce the number of disease vectors (people who could catch the disease and spread it to others) as soon as possible, since disease spread with the new strains will likely result in exponential growth unmediated.

In other words, if the vaccine is less effective (let's say 60% instead of 95%) then it doesn't take an epidemiologist to understand that we would want to offset that difference by getting as many people vaccinated with that 60% as soon as possible.

 

[Cryoraptor]

No, I didn't, and the fact that you don't see that is part of the reason why you should be embarrassed.

If a vaccine is somewhat less effective against new strains, then we need to reduce the number of disease vectors (people who could catch the disease and spread it to others) as soon as possible, since disease spread with the new strains will likely result in exponential growth unmediated.

In other words, if the vaccine is less effective (let's say 60% instead of 95%) then it doesn't take an epidemiologist to understand that we would want to offset that difference by getting as many people vaccinated with that 60% as soon as possible.

I'm starting to get really bored with the same shit having to be explained to 2 or 3 morons/trolls over and over again.

 

[tabzer]

No, I didn't, and the fact that you don't see that is part of the reason why you should be embarrassed.

Because you cannot see it. I'll demonstrate.

You said "If they are less effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible".

What you meant is "If they are at all effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible."

Easy. Admit you said something stupid.

 

[Lacius]

Because you cannot see it. I'll demonstrate.

You said "If they are less effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible".

What you meant is "If they are at all effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible."

Easy. Admit you said something stupid.

We want as many people vaccinated as soon as possible regardless, but if a vaccine is somewhat less effective, it becomes even more important to vaccinate as many people as possible as soon as possible. I suggest you reread my posts and learn something for once.

 

[Foxi4]

Because you cannot see it. I'll demonstrate.

You said "If they are less effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible".

What you meant is "If they are at all effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible."

Easy. Admit you said something stupid.

I'm not in the Lacius fan club, but even I can see that's not what he said. The fact that the virus is mutating rapidly and efficacy is decreasing with each new strain is in fact a good reason to immunise - the longer you wait the more likely it is that the vaccine will be ineffective and will have to be reworked. You should take it as soon as you can if we're supposed to prevent the virus from mutating further.

 

[Lacius]

I'm starting to get really bored with the same shit having to be explained to 2 or 3 morons/trolls over and over again.

I'm honestly considering taking a break from politics and COVID-19 threads, because it started getting boring months ago.

 

[tabzer]

The flu mutates every single year, but we don't have a global flu-based culling every single winter season because we've developed an immune response to viruses that are *like* it. Some people die every year, but catching the flu or the common cold is no longer a world-shattering event for *most* people. A vaccine is like a punching bag - it's not just like punching someone, but it lets you learn some technique without breaking your knuckles in the process. Depending on the mutation the efficacy may be reduced, but we're not talking about one strain completely replacing the other, we're dealing with both simultaneously. It's not a this or that, it's both, at the same time. This should motivate you to take it *more*, not less, as your odds of contracting the virus have increased, not decreased.

For the people who were early on the boat with the initial vaccine, wouldn't it be likely that those people would be more likely to take a second vaccine for a variant? It seems like we might be entering uncharted territory. The idea of it makes me feel a little nauseous. Of course that's placebo speaking.

 

[Lacius]

I'm not in the Lacius fan club

Don't deny it.

 

[Foxi4]

Don't deny it.

Wine and dine me first, buddy - I don't kiss before I'm tended to.

 

[Cryoraptor]

For the people who were early on the boat with the initial vaccine, wouldn't it be likely that those people would be more likely to take a second vaccine for a variant? It seems like we might be entering uncharted territory. The idea of it makes me feel a little nauseous. Of course that's placebo speaking.

This is just waffle. Are you suggesting that the government is using it as an excuse to inject us with new mind-control chemicals or whatever your brand of conspiraceh is annually or am I reading this word salad wrong? Either way, I have news for you: We've been giving yearly flu jabs to certain people for a long while now. This would be nothing new.

 

[Foxi4]

This is just waffle. Are you suggesting that the government is using it as an excuse to inject us with new mind-control chemicals or whatever your brand of conspiraceh is or am I reading this word salad wrong?

What a foolish suggestion.

They put those chemicals in the water. You know nothing, clearly.

 

[Cryoraptor]

What a foolish suggestion.

They put those chemicals in the water. You know nothing, clearly.

Oh yes. Of course!

 

[Hanafuda]

I'm honestly considering taking a break from politics and COVID-19 threads, because it started getting boring months ago.

You should, it'll be good for your quality of life in general. I did and haven't been missing a thing. Very small doses now. Just sittin' back, watching it burn.

 

[tabzer]

We want as many people vaccinated as soon as possible regardless, but if a vaccine is somewhat less effective, it becomes even more important to vaccinate as many people as possible as soon as possible.

Well, if you are chasing the "thing" then the "thing" is always going to be ahead of you. That's like the Obama approach.

 

[Foxi4]

You should, it'll be good for your quality of life in general. I did and haven't been missing a thing. Very small doses now. Just sittin' back, watching it burn.

Everybody has a plan when they're running for re-election, never let a good crisis go to waste.