Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[wartutor]

I maintain that McCain would've been even worse, especially with Sarah Palin as VP, but that just goes to show American politics are a special kind of dumpster fire in which we only get to choose between bad and worse. Center-right and far-right. It's why I'm still itching to make a permanent move out of this country. At best, Biden is a temporary reprieve from fascism, he doesn't have the balls nor the desire necessary to root it out at the source.

If it wasn't for my family (mother mostly) I would of already been out of this country.

 

[Deleted User]

Woot! Today is the last day Donald Trump being President of the United States!

 

[Darth Meteos]

I maintain that McCain would've been even worse, especially with Sarah Palin as VP, but that just goes to show American politics are a special kind of dumpster fire in which we only get to choose between bad and worse. Center-right and far-right. It's why I'm still itching to make a permanent move out of this country. At best, Biden is a temporary reprieve from fascism, he doesn't have the balls nor the desire necessary to root it out at the source.

Oh, McCain would have been worse, just like H.W. Bush was worse. But Obama had the temerity to give us hope and squandered it.

 

[smf]

Do I sense a touch of whataboutery?

Do I sense passive aggressiveness? In both cases black people were accused of rape.

well he was arguing " There's no difference between killing normal citizens compared to kill government officials."
There is. One group was democratically elected, and hold positions of power. The other (normal people) isn't.

Who gets killed is obviously important to the person being killed and those with more resources will be able to try harder to avoid being killed.

But from the point of view of crossing the line between going from being someone who hasn't murdered someone, to someone who has then I don't see the difference in the target.

It seems like you're arguing over two different meanings of a sentence.

 

[wartutor]

Be funny if they try to impeach biden on his 1st day also

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sy...peach-joe-biden-on-jan-21.html?outputType=amp 2 presidents back to back facing impeachment at the same time. Can't make this shit up.

 

[smf]

Yeah, it's pretty amusing how the guy who won a Nobel Peace prize was such a warmonger. I'm sure Doctors without Borders don't miss Obama.

Didn't he inherit a bunch of wars?

I kinda feel like you don't like Obama for a bunch of reasons, but you don't think they are compelling enough to an audience and so you go with these.

 

[Foxi4]

Who gets killed is obviously important to the person being killed and those with more resources will be able to try harder to avoid being killed.

But from the point of view of crossing the line between going from being someone who hasn't murdered someone, to someone who has then I don't see the difference in the target.

It seems like you're arguing over two different meanings of a sentence.

In a purely moral sense the profession of a murder victim is completely irrelevant - murder is murder. Government officials are not holy cows who somehow deserve more reverence than others - we all bleed. In a strictly legal sense, there is a difference as a murder involving a politician is subject to a different legal standard. It can be classified as assassination if the murder was directly influenced by the victim's political activities. A few examples would be:

• 18 U.S. Code § 111 (assaulting, resisting or impeding government official)
  
• 18 U.S.C. § 112 (various infractions against foreign officials, official guests and internationally protected persons)
  
• 18 U.S.C. § 351 (assassination, kidnapping or assault of members of Congress or Supreme Court justices)
  
• 18 U.S.C. § 1751 (assassination, kidnapping or assault of the President or presidential staff)

...among others.

 

[Xzi]

Be funny if they try to impeach biden on his 1st day also

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.syracuse.com/us-news/2021/01/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-shell-file-to-impeach-joe-biden-on-jan-21.html?outputType=amp 2 presidents back to back facing impeachment at the same time. Can't make this shit up.

If it doesn't pass the House, he's technically not "facing impeachment," and it's obviously not even going to come close. This is just petty and childish.

 

[Lacius]

The tried to impeach Trump, which is a way to overtthrow election results. Wikipedia is biased in terms of politics.
I have known this for many years based on how German editors edit articles.
Russians are the scape goat of the West. Maybe I am a Russian bot.

1. Trump was not impeached for anything to do with the 2016 election.
2. Wikipedia is not politically biased. It's the best compendium of information on this planet.
3. The Russians demonstrably meddled with the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

1. Trump was not impeached for anything to do with the 2016 election.
2. Wikipedia is not politically biased. It's the best compendium of information on this planet.
3. The Russians demonstrably meddled with the 2016 election to help Trump and hurt Clinton.

1. So they didn´t want to impeach him by claiming he had secret connections to Russia (regarding the election)? Then why was he called Putins puppet for 4 years in mainstream media?
2. It is, I have seen it myself. Not so much a question of left vs right but mainstream or not.
3. Hopefully. Americans are meddling in elections around the world. But besides facebook ads there is not much evidence it came from the Russian government.

 

[Deleted User]

1. So they didn´t want to impeach him by claiming he had secret connections to Russia (regarding the election)?

They didn't try impeachment for that reason as investigations were still on going AFAIK.
However he was impeached over the Ukraine call. Those connections btw aren't really secret. Now said investigations were repeatedly obstructed by the president himself.

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2. It is, I have seen it myself. Not so much a question of left vs right but mainstream or not.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't really work.
Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, however that also means under scrutiny of everyone. Generally speaking Wikipedia will be accurate(if the topic has a lot of conversation)
(and even then edits don't just show up. those talk pages exist for a reason)
So I highly doubt it really is left vs right.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone, however that also means under scrutiny of everyone.

There is an editing hierarchy and the editors are not neutral.

 

[Cryoraptor]

If you're talking about UK centrism and not US centrism, you are alright in my book. I am still quite a bit to your left, but you aren't... well. Look around. We have enough common ground that being adversarial is ridiculous, at the very least!

Yes, I'm with you on that one. You seem reasonable enough, at least, more reasonable than 'dEaD pEoPlE vOtEd'

Oh, and the Electoral College exists largely due to the racist concerns of slave states who wanted power without giving a significant percentage of their population (Black people) voting rights.

I can't speak on my own knowledge regarding how true this is, but this honestly wouldn't surprise me. Back in the slave era both the North and the South did what they could to get one off on each other, so it really wouldn't be a shocker to me if the electoral college was invented by the South to give Southern slave states more legitimacy and power in Congress. Arguably it's still serving that same purpose today, albeit not for slavery, just for the GOP.

Centrists are just right-wingers who are too afraid to admit it

Centrists are often left-wing progressives who are too afraid to admit it.

I'm neither. I am a true centrist. Arguably I'm not even a centrist because I don't see myself as participating in the political spectrum. But that's a matter of definition.

Do I sense passive aggressiveness? In both cases black people were accused of rape.

How is that passive-aggressive? And also, ok, fair enough. I thought you were alluding to 'but what about that time white people raped black women?', based on the events of that uprising.

mainstream or not.

This is another way of saying 'my fringe views should be valued as much as normal, moderate views'.

 

[smf]

How is that passive-aggressive? And also, ok, fair enough. I thought you were alluding to 'but what about that time white people raped black women?', based on the events of that uprising.

Because you accused me of something without making a point and without seemingly without reading the link as there were no rapes by white people mentioned in it.

 

[Cryoraptor]

Because you accused me of something without making a point and without seemingly without reading the link as there were no rapes by white people mentioned in it.

I know, I later read through it.

 

[smf]

There is an editing hierarchy and the editors are not neutral.

So you ignore wikipedia because the editors aren't neutral, but believe every tweet from Trump?

I know, I later read through it.

Accuse first, gather facts later. I can see a flaw in that.

 

[Cryoraptor]

Accuse first, gather facts later. I can see a flaw in that.

I know, I fucked up on that one.

 

[Valwinz]

Biden currently doesn't have control. he is not in office yet. Trump is.

Nancy was there speaking to the troops so yes the Dems have full control of them. it is unconstitutional that's no power of her but they have a literal standing army in dc because Biden won by so much and is so love that needs them to keep people out of the capital nothing odd here.

 

[Plasmaster09]

Nancy was there speaking to the troops so yes the Dems have full control of them. it is unconstitutional that's no power of her but they have a literal standing army in dc because Biden won by so much and is so love that needs them to keep people out of the capital nothing odd here.

I know you’re probably trying to spout some bullshit but Biden needs a standing army for protection because Trumpers staged a violent riot against our very democracy before and likely will again on Inauguration Day

 

[wartutor]

I know you’re probably trying to spout some bullshit but Biden needs a standing army for protection because Trumpers staged a violent riot against our very democracy before and likely will again on Inauguration Day

I hope (and wouldnt be surprised) if they do. Truthfully we need to get rid of both parties and start over fresh. End this bs "best of the worst" and "career" politicians. Force a complete reset. The government no longer works for the people. It's the only way real change will come about.