[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[Foxi4]

the constitution does not limit the supreme court, so changes can be made. the court is supposed to be non-partisan, and if it becomes so, it needs to be re-balanced. If the political will to increase the court is there, it will happen.

The SCOTUS is an apolitical body, they get lifetime tenure specifically to ensure that exerting political pressure on them is not a huge concern. It's nonsensical to talk about partisanship when none of the justices are beholden to any political party. Last time a party *did exert political pressure* on the SCOTUS was under FDR, *it was the *Democrats*, and it was *with the threat of court-packing*, for the purposes of pushing through the New Deal without having to worry about the Supreme Court putting some of its provisions into question. Everybody can see what's happening here - some people may have short memories, I don't.

Say it how it is - you don't like the fact that the court is split in favour of conservative values for the first time in decades, rather than in favour of progressive ones. That much is true, but it's not a matter of partisanship - justices are split on ideological grounds, not by party alignment. I wouldn't even say that the court is split to an extent that warrants concern either since Justice Roberts has proven to be a wild card. It's 5-4 at best now that Barret replaced Ginsburg.

The actual reason why this is a problem for the Democratic party is that they've gotten mighty comfortable with using the SCOTUS to enshrine "rights" that are not at all enshrined by the Constitution, as opposed to using the far more difficult path of amending the Constitution as necessary. Liberal-leaning judges tend to treat it as a "living document" and adhere to the "spirit of the law" or some such nonsense, conservative ones tend to be textualists who are only concerned by what is and what is not written. There's already a system in place that enables changes to the Constitution and the SCOTUS should've never been used to bypass it.

If the Democrats want to claim that the court became partisan, they will have to show some examples of cases where such partisanship was evident - Barret was only just confirmed and they're already talking about it like it's a done deal with zero evidence. As for the legality of the move, of course Congress can do it - I've outlined that it has in the past, on multiple occasions. I was saying that there are no signs that the court "needs fixing" and that such a move has no support amongst the citizens - it's 100% political and, ironically, partisan to do so. The Democratic party doesn't like the result of the game, so they're going to change the rules - same modus operandi as usual. They won't be answering for their actions to a tribunal, but they will be answering to the American people. I certainly hope they won't make that mistake. Last time they were warned that they'll regret acting recklessly with American institutions "sooner than they think", and I think McConnel proved that he was correct in his estimation.

 

[omgcat]

The SCOTUS is an apolitical body, they get lifetime tenure specifically to ensure that exerting political pressure on them is not a huge concern. It's nonsensical to talk about partisanship when none of the justices are beholden to any political party. Last time a party *did exert political pressure* on the SCOTUS was under FDR, *it was the *Democrats*, and it was *with the threat of court-packing*, for the purposes of pushing through the New Deal without having to worry about the Supreme Court putting some of its provisions into question. Everybody can see what's happening here - some people may have short memories, I don't.

Say it how it is - you don't like the fact that the court is split in favour of conservative values for the first time in decades, rather than in favour of progressive ones. That much is true, but it's not a matter of partisanship - justices are split on ideological grounds, not by party alignment. I wouldn't even say that the court is split to an extent that warrants concern either since Justice Roberts has proven to be a wild card. It's 5-4 at best now that Barret replaced Ginsburg.

The actual reason why this is a problem for the Democratic party is that they've gotten mighty comfortable with using the SCOTUS to enshrine "rights" that are not at all enshrined by the Constitution, as opposed to using the far more difficult path of amending the constitution as necessary. Liberal-leaning judges tend to treat it as a "living document" and adhere to the "spirit of the law" or some such nonsense, conservative ones tend to be textualists who are only concerned by what is and what is not written. There's already a system in place that enables changes to the Constitution and the SCOTUS should've never been used to bypass it.

If the Democrats want to claim that the court became partisan, they will have to show some examples of cases where such partisanship was evident - Barret was only just confirmed and they're already talking about it like it's a done deal with zero evidence. As for the legality of the move, of course Congress can do it - I've outlined that it has in the past, on multiple occasions. I was saying that there are no signs that the court "needs fixing" and that such a move has no support amongst the citizens - it's 100% political and partisan to do so. The Democratic party doesn't like the result of the game, so they're going to change the rules - same modus operandi as usual. They won't be answering for their actions to a tribunal, but they will be answering to the American people. I certainly hope they won't make a mistake. Last time they were warned that they'll regret acting recklessly "sooner than they think", and I think McConnel showed that he was correct in his estimation.

The republicans have stepped over a line, it is now politically acceptable to re-balance the court, more than 60% of Americans wanted the senate to wait until after inauguration day to appoint another SCJ. Unlike with FDR, it is now a popular opinion that the court should be re-balanced due to the bad faith the GOP has shown. for it to be possible a few things would need to happen, like the dems taking the senate and the presidency which isn't a guarantee, but don't conflate the two scenarios, things are vastly different now. You're flattening 150 years of complex political maneuvering, this is not an apples to apples comparison. people's support of re-balancing the court was based on DJT not appointing a SCJ until after January 20th, but that didn't happen, so people are ok with the re-balance.

 

[Foxi4]

The republicans have stepped over a line, it is now politically acceptable to re-balance the court, more than 60% of Americans wanted the senate to wait until after inauguration day to appoint another SCJ. Unlike with FDR, it is now a popular opinion that the court should be re-balanced due to the bad faith the GOP has shown. for it to be possible a few things would need to happen, like the dems taking the senate and the presidency which isn't a guarantee, but don't conflate the two scenario's things are vastly different now. You're flattening 150 years of complex political maneuvering, this is not an apples to apples comparison.

Show me evidence of that. The latest polling I've seen showed that 54% of respondents were against packing the court, 32% were for it and the remainder had no opinion, IIRC. It's not rebalancing the court, this is another Democrat trick - changing the language used so that an egregious action seems more palatable. It's stacking it in their favour - we have a term for that and it's court packing. That's what it means, that's what it always meant.

 

[LumInvader]

It's not possible for you people to be this clueless. That's why this nonsense you're typing has to be just flat out lies. The leftist zerg in the year 2020 is not pushing "capitalism". It's pushing socialism and 'reparations'. If you don't believe in that stuff, you have no place in that zerg.

You're trying to mislead people pretending you can be a cultural Marxist SJW and economic capitalist at the same time. Your cultural Marxist social ideology revolves entirely around censorship, propaganda, authoritarianism, and fighting against freedoms like freedom of association.

Economic socialism is a virtually required and natural byproduct of cultural Marxism due to trying to artificially engineer equality of outcome instead of equality of opportunity. There's always going to be lazy or stupid people so you can never engineer equality of outcome without dragging the rest of civilization down to their level. Which exemplifies the meme of socialism being ensuring misery for all then claiming that's fair.

But the biggest crime in your bad judgement is the failure to ask the question of just why the left is constantly pushing things like socialism and UBI nonstop right now. These ideas did NOT originate at a 'grass roots' level. The ideas are handed down to the left from up high from the evil corporations and Soros billionaires while the mindless automatons repeat the slogans as puppets, just like anything else the left does because it's mostly inhabitated by physically and mentally frail and weak people who can only feel strong in some type of collective and not by themselves.

You would have to understand economics to understand what's going on, which virtually nobody in the left does. All debt based, fractional reserve, fiat currencies collapse. The goal of the establishment, the billionaires, and the evil bankers is to bootstrap a new digital only slavery system and integrate people into it before this one collapses. They can do that through things like UBI and then can just turn off any dissidents bank account at will.

If they fail to trick people into their new digital slavery system, everyone just goes back to physical metals when this system blows up, but they're psychopaths and want control and slavery over everyone on earth. Their plans are right out in the open. The first person of any significance to really expose it was ironically a Sephardic Jewish movie producer named Aaron Russo around the year 2006.

A lot of leftists don't like Alex Jones, but his interview of Aaron Russo is probably the best one. Aaron Russo is mostly a Jewish liberal so pretending what he says is 'right wing propaganda' would be total nonsense. He's in pictures with these evil bankers like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds too, so he did actually know them:



Without understanding the mind of the evil usury bankers through people like Aaron Russo blowing the whistle on them, it's impossible for leftists to understand just how dangerous all centralized, top-down, authoritarian systems of control are, which is ALL the left pushes.

Anyone that understands the agenda of these bankers, "globalists", whatever you want to call them, would be pushing for shrinking government and removing all these centralized systems of control instead of expanding authoritarinism like the left wants. They're basically lobbying for their own slavery.

Note r0achtheunsavory's repeated references of "you," "your," "them," and "they" in a continuation of his debunked association fallacy, which underscores my original point.

Person A is a Biden supporter.
Biden supporters can be marxists.
Therefore, Person A is a marxist.

According to the above association fallacy, the below link contains a list of trained marxists:

List of Republicans who oppose the Donald Trump 2020 presidential campaign
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...e_the_Donald_Trump_2020_presidential_campaign

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

Show me evidence of that. The latest polling I've seen showed that 54% of respondents were against packing the court

Not even worth replying to those people. They're probably bots because all they do is spam copy and paste garbage propaganda from the television. Everyone knows everything on TV is fake and a lie, but they keep pushing the scam pretending it has any validity like nobody knows what they're doing.

They're spamming literal CIA propaganda from the TV while pretending to be 'anti-establishment'. These people are so braindead it's painful to even watch.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

I just laugh histerically when any american speaks about marxism

Bitch, what for you is marxism, here in europe is basic human rights

Human rights don't exist.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

The entire foundation of so called "human rights" was people recognizing rights "granted to them via God". But the left is mostly composed of godless sodomites, devil worshippers, and other lunatics, so them talking about human rights and trying to twist the definition into something to fit their narrative is a laughable joke.

If you push the narrative that there is no God and society and western civilization in general are not founded upon things like the ten commandments and all that stuff, then basically anything goes, there are no rights, and the government can basically just murder you for fun if they want, or put you in a Roman colosseum with lions.

 

[LumInvader]

Not even worth replying to those people. They're probably bots because all they do is spam copy and paste garbage propaganda from the television. Everyone knows everything on TV is fake and a lie, but they keep pushing the scam pretending it has any validity like nobody knows what they're doing.

They're spamming literal CIA propaganda from the TV while pretending to be 'anti-establishment'. These people are so braindead it's painful to even watch.

Says the guy who uses the Unibomber and Alex Jones as reference material:

A lot of leftists don't like Alex Jones, but his interview of Aaron Russo is probably the best one.

Dude, stop deleting everyone's posts. I was not "calling anyone names." I simply stand by Ted Kaczynski's research into what "liberalism" actually is. Ted Kaczynski is no idiot. He was a math genius and has been cited by plenty of left and right wingers. His statement is that liberalism is a disorder based on inferiority complex.

You can read about it here. Pretty much every intelligent person on the planet has read his stuff before from college professors to anyone else:

Industrial Society and Its Future:
http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf

Says the guy who claims election fraud:

I guess you better stop trying to rig the election via new mail-in ballot laws then that bypass even conventional absentee ballot security. The only way the election will be legitimate at all is if it's voted on completely normally like every other election without mail-in fraud.

They're sending out ballots for people's cats that have been dead 10 years to vote. This is the most fraudulent election in the entire history of the US and it's the dims trying to rig it:

https://apnews.com/fbcec393dc652a9ccdb2cc8aacb15895

Says the guy who claims Epstein's island was an Israeli government operation:

It doesn't really matter who you vote for, they're all compromised and blackmailed by these Israeli intelligence groups like Epstein was running and will only do things against your interests and for Israeli interests.

'nuff said.

 

[r0achtheunsavory]

Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell are Israeli Mossad agents. Nobody even disputes it. It's not required for fake propaganda outlets like CNN to "fact check" objective reality for something to be true. Ghislaine Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell was also an uncontested Israeli spy.

He was out on a boat and wound up dead. They claim he "must have just fallen off the boat and drowned", but 99% chance somebody whacked him, as is the case for any spy that winds up dying under some type of mysterious circumcstance. Just like Epstein seems to have vanished from the face of the earth under a similar, bogus story.

This is how government works. Instead of Israeli building a bunch of tanks and airplanes to defend their Zionazi, rogue terror state, they just spend 1/100th the money sending spies to the US to blackmail US politicians into supporting infinite wars in the Middle East that do absolutely nothing to serve American interests.

 

[wartutor]

The republicans have stepped over a line, it is now politically acceptable to re-balance the court, more than 60% of Americans wanted the senate to wait until after inauguration day to appoint another SCJ. Unlike with FDR, it is now a popular opinion that the court should be re-balanced due to the bad faith the GOP has shown. for it to be possible a few things would need to happen, like the dems taking the senate and the presidency which isn't a guarantee, but don't conflate the two scenarios, things are vastly different now. You're flattening 150 years of complex political maneuvering, this is not an apples to apples comparison. people's support of re-balancing the court was based on DJT not appointing a SCJ until after January 20th, but that didn't happen, so people are ok with the re-balance.

Wtf do they get their percentages at. I dont ever remember being asked nor do i know anyone that has been asked. Asking a group of 100 people that is of 90% democrat dont make up 60% of the entire population quit trying to speak for everyone with "fake news/poles"

 

[LumInvader]

Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell are Israeli Mossad agents. Nobody even disputes it. It's not required for fake propaganda outlets like CNN to "fact check" objective reality for something to be true. Ghislaine Maxwell's father Robert Maxwell was also an uncontested Israeli spy.

He was out on a boat and wound up dead. They claim he "must have just fallen off the boat and drowned", but 99% chance somebody whacked him, as is the case for any spy that winds up dying under some type of mysterious circumcstance.

Is MSM wrong to fact check QAnon?

 

[Master X]

Not even worth replying to those people. They're probably bots because all they do is spam copy and paste garbage propaganda from the television.

Gotta love the hilarity of someone claiming that people are spammy bots, when the vast majority of their own posts are in this very topic.
Not just that, but this topic is also the home of your earliest posts.

You join a gaming forum and spend pretty much all your time in the topic about politics. Are you paid by the post, or did you somehow get banned from The Donald or Free Republic?

 

[Osakasan]

The entire foundation of so called "human rights" was people recognizing rights "granted to them via God". But the left is mostly composed of godless sodomites, devil worshippers, and other lunatics, so them talking about human rights and trying to twist the definition into something to fit their narrative is a laughable joke.

If you push the narrative that there is no God and society and western civilization in general are not founded upon things like the ten commandments and all that stuff, then basically anything goes, there are no rights, and the government can basically just murder you for fun if they want, or put you in a Roman colosseum with lions.

This is a parody account

It has to be.

 

[Doran754]

Human rights don't exist.

He's also full of shit, not a single country in Europe is Marxist. Some have socialised health service. That's about the extent of it. Gets so tiresome replying to their lies.

 

[gregory-samba]

Honestly I have no hope for USA. I think the right have pushed things past the tipping point. Education is terrible, social media and news outlets manipulate fools on a large scale, rights are being taken away, poverty is increasing, medical treatment is both terrible and costly on the country (ironically a socialist healthcare system would be cheaper for all), terrorism by the right is becoming more frequent, corrupt police state is growing, and considerable portions of the population think basic human rights and general improvements are somehow proponents of fascism, ironically supporting what actually does lead to fascism.
I'm looking to move out of this shit hole country of morons if covid ever lifts, which isn't going to be any time soon because these conservative morons don't believe in or even have the capacity to understand the most basic of science and human decency.
I respect political ideals other than my own, with exception of conservatism. Conservatism, fascism, is the worst thing to have risen from humanity. It lacks empathy, instead feeding off self-interest and primal instinct. It is the antithesis of evolution. It is a festering cancer that degrades every society is spreads to. It lies, manipulates, and muddles the facts, exploiting all of humanity's weaknesses, in order to move power to an extremely small portion of the population to the dismay of the majority. It is tyranny of the minority. Those that support it are either malicious and greedy, or simply fools. And I'm not sure which one is more dangerous.
The worst part is that fascism is in plain sight. Yet conservatives still flock to it, like moths to a flame. Supporting a machine that is against their self interests.

Due to the rights provided to you in the USA, which are the same rights you wish to get rid of you're allowed to talk bad about the country and its leaders and are free to leave. If the Democrats get their way no one will be able to disagree with them without facing harsh punishment and your freedom to travel will be taken away. So if you do want to get out of the country I advise you get out while you still can. No one here is going to miss you anyway so don't let that door hit your ass on the way out.

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I came across this infographic and thought I'd share it. It does question the Democrats claims and puts things into perspective regarding the new Supreme Court Justice. Democrats aren't on the side of liberty and freedom and are conniving, lying, manipulating scum.

 

[ut2k4master]

*image*

so instead of disproving any of the democrats points the image is just pure whataboutism. guess that didnt go as well as youve planned, lol

 

[gregory-samba]

so instead of disproving any of the democrats points the image is just pure whataboutism. guess that didnt go as well as youve planned, lol

What didn't go as planned? I pointed out how the Democrats are the ones dividing the country and I wasn't replying to rebuke anyone's statements. Are you stoned, drunk or do your comprehension skills suck that badly? There's no "what about ism", there's simply "look at why these people are scum".

 

[Taleweaver]

I came across this infographic and thought I'd share it. It does question the Democrats claims and puts things into perspective regarding the new Supreme Court Justice. Democrats aren't on the side of liberty and freedom and are conniving, lying, manipulating scum.

* boycotting isn't the same as not showing up, unless they were tasked with stuff. This part is grasping for straws.
(FFS, man. "democrats not showing up at an inauguration" is an argument a 12-year old should have outgrown)
* fake news. The washington post REPORTED that campaigns against Trump were launched (source). They didn't declare shit. And even if you swap words, the answer is still "yes, absolutely. Because he insisted "on maintaining ownership of his luxury hotel and golf course business while in office" "
* Trump again. This was when he divided congress to the point that republicans in congress literally allowed blatant corruption
* once again: Trump. It's your authorities who had all the evidence that Russia collided in the 2016 elections, but Trump blatantly dismissed it.

Yeah...think for yourselve, indeed. Did you even bother to factcheck any of that, or did you just copy-pasted that picture from a random guy with a Russian accent?

 

[gregory-samba]

* boycotting isn't the same as not showing up, unless they were tasked with stuff. This part is grasping for straws.
(FFS, man. "democrats not showing up at an inauguration" is an argument a 12-year old should have outgrown)
* fake news. The washington post REPORTED that campaigns against Trump were launched (source). They didn't declare shit. And even if you swap words, the answer is still "yes, absolutely. Because he insisted "on maintaining ownership of his luxury hotel and golf course business while in office" "
* Trump again. This was when he divided congress to the point that republicans in congress literally allowed blatant corruption
* once again: Trump. It's your authorities who had all the evidence that Russia collided in the 2016 elections, but Trump blatantly dismissed it.

Yeah...think for yourselve, indeed. Did you even bother to factcheck any of that, or did you just copy-pasted that picture from a random guy with a Russian accent?

I've got no need to fact check the claims because I was around to witness the validity of all of them after they happened.

 

[Rail Fighter]