[POLL] 2020 U.S. Presidential Election

[wartutor]

Nope, you're wrong. Trump took the advice of the CDC and let the states shut down their economies. Yes, he was hesitant, but he allowed each state to deal with it as they saw fit. That begs to question though. The Trump administration started reacting to the virus in late December so where does that leave your liberal buddies that were ignoring the threat and calling him nasty names for dealing with it. Surely, their lack of response warrants some sort of negative reaction or do they get a pass because they are on your side?

EDIT: Here's some information on what the Federal Government was doing under Trump to combat the virus. Note that most of what took place during Dec 2019 - Feburary 2020 was not supported by Democrats as you can recall their labeling and use of name calling against Trump and his administration. You also might want to have some words with some of your Democrat leaders as they praised Trump for his response to the virus - that is, after they finally admitted it was a serious problem that needed to be dealt with.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/DOD-Response-Timeline/
https://www.usa.gov/coronavirus
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/20200726/covid-19-emergency-declaration
https://www.gao.gov/reports/GAO-20-708/
https://datalab.usaspending.gov/federal-covid-funding/

None of that exists and its all trumps fault. The sooner you realize that the sooner you are right and can be on there side. Trump also marched through towns and burned local businesses. All of antfla "protests" were peaceful and police are bad.

 

[gregory-samba]

None of that exists and its all trumps fault. The sooner you realize that the sooner you are right and can be on there side. Trump also marched through towns and burned local businesses. All of antfla "protests" were peaceful and police are bad.

The Liberals wanted death and destruction as it was part of their game plan to cause unrest, burn, loot and murder. The economy was going so well they needed something to go wrong so they could stick it to the man and they did and didn't care anyones personal lives or property got all fucked up. The plan was to destabilize the country and then put their man up and claim he can "fix" things, when the entire time they're the ones who was making sure shit was fucked up. Hey, at this very moment they are promising more lawlessness if Trump wins in less than 2 weeks. Who's the bad guys, again?

 

[Lacius]

Nope, you're wrong. Trump took the advice of the CDC and let the states shut down their economies. Yes, he was hesitant, but he allowed each state to deal with it as they saw fit. That begs to question though. The Trump administration started reacting to the virus in late December so where does that leave your liberal buddies that were ignoring the threat and calling him nasty names for dealing with it. Surely, their lack of response warrants some sort of negative reaction or do they get a pass because they are on your side?

EDIT: Here's some information on what the Federal Government was doing under Trump to combat the virus. Note that most of what took place during Dec 2019 - Feburary 2020 was not supported by Democrats as you can recall their labeling and use of name calling against Trump and his administration. You also might want to have some words with some of your Democrat leaders as they praised Trump for his response to the virus - that is, after they finally admitted it was a serious problem that needed to be dealt with.

https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/DOD-Response-Timeline/
https://www.usa.gov/coronavirus
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/20200726/covid-19-emergency-declaration
https://www.gao.gov/reports/GAO-20-708/
https://datalab.usaspending.gov/federal-covid-funding/

Trump's initial failures include, but aren't limited to:

1. Effectively ending the pandemic response team a year or two before the pandemic hit
2. Downplaying risks by saying publicly that COVID-19 was not a big deal and nobody should be worried <-- We know that this alone contributed and continues to contribute to increased infection rates
3. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of testing
4. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of PPE
5. A lack of a federal response to address social distancing
6. Encouraging states and municipalities to reopen too quickly
7. Encouraging states and municipalities not to shutdown at all
8. A failure to address needed financial stimulus aside from the initial round
9. Continuing to this day to peddle misinformation about masks, suggesting they cause one to be more likely to catch COVID-19
10. Suggesting disinfectant in the lungs can be an effective treatment against COVID-19
11. Continuing to this day to hold super spreader rallies with no social distancing and few masks, inside and outside

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_communication_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._federal_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#COVID-19_pandemic

You either need to: a.) Do some research, or b.) Stop gaslighting people. 223,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, which is drastically higher than most other countries, including countries with comparable populations, population densities, cultures, etc. The reason is because Donald Trump utterly failed in his handling of the pandemic.

I'm going to give you some homework:

1. Please read through the entire Wikipedia articles above. Let me know if you have any questions.
2. Please research when Trump said the United States was "open for business" in response to states and municipalities shutting down against Trump's wishes. Spoiler alert: The date is much sooner than anybody who cared about flattening the curve could reasonably state.

 

[crimpshrine]

Like that is surprising.


The debate last night was good. Even with the moderator still favoring old Joe it was much better than the 1st.

Trump did well. I would say he totally won.

And for anyone on the fence still. Biden said enough and directly lied about enough to push them towards Trump in my opinion.

One thing specifically he again doubled down on his fracking stance.

Joe Biden: (19:57)
I never said I oppose fracking.




And there was this part:

Joe Biden: (23:12)
By the way, I have a transition from the oil industry, yes.
Donald Trump: (23:15)
Oh, that’s a big statement.
Joe Biden: (23:15)
I will transition. It is a big statement.
Joe Biden: (23:18)
Because I would stop.

And this was good for a laugh:

Joe Biden: (16:15)
We had a good relationship with Hitler before he, in fact, invaded Europe,

 

[gregory-samba]

Trump's initial failures include, but aren't limited to:

1. Effectively ending the pandemic response team a year or two before the pandemic hit
2. Downplaying risks by saying publicly that COVID-19 was not a big deal and nobody should be worried <-- We know that this alone contributed and continues to contribute to increased infection rates
3. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of testing
4. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of PPE
5. A lack of a federal response to address social distancing
6. Encouraging states and municipalities to reopen too quickly
7. Encouraging states and municipalities not to shutdown at all
8. A failure to address needed financial stimulus aside from the initial round
9. Continuing to this day to peddle misinformation about masks, suggesting they cause one to be more likely to catch COVID-19
10. Suggesting disinfectant in the lungs can be an effective treatment against COVID-19
11. Continuing to this day to hold super spreader rallies with no social distancing and few masks, inside and outside

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_communication_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._federal_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#COVID-19_pandemic

You either need to: a.) Do some research, or b.) Stop gaslighting people. 223,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, which is drastically higher than most other countries, including countries with comparable populations, population densities, cultures, etc. The reason is because Donald Trump utterly failed in his handling of the pandemic.

I'm going to give you some homework:

1. Please read through the entire Wikipedia articles above. Let me know if you have any questions.
2. Please research when Trump said the United States was "open for business" in response to states and municipalities shutting down against Trump's wishes. Spoiler alert: The date is much sooner than anybody who cared about flattening the curve could reasonably state.

My sources outweigh yours as I provided Government entities with real data including dates on which action was taken and you provide links to a Liberal run blog masquerading as an encyclopedia. You also still didn't answer my question regarding the lack of outrage related to the Liberals refusal to act when Trump was tackling the virus. I'll repeat myself; The Trump administration started reacting to the virus in late December so where does that leave your liberal buddies that were ignoring the threat and calling him nasty names for dealing with it. Surely, their lack of response warrants some sort of negative reaction or do they get a pass because they are on your side?

 

[KingVamp]

There is a high chance that their would of been less overall deaths if we were allowed to "rip the bandaid off" and gain herd immunity instead of just infecting and re-infecting people slowly. It is a virus and has to just work its coarse, if you slow it like we did instead of letting it just work its way out it will never be over.

A "high chance" based on what? We don't even have a vaccine, let alone know how effective the first ones will be. You are just basically saying, "let people die" as a solution. Needlessly gambling with people's lives.

 

[crimpshrine]

 

[LumInvader]

Who Won The Last Presidential Debate?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-final-debate-poll/

"We partnered with Ipsos to once again check in with the same group of people before and after the debate using Ipsos’s KnowledgePanel."

On the whole, debate watchers were more impressed with both Biden and Trump’s performance than they were in the first debate: 76 percent thought the debate was “somewhat good” or “very good.” The share who thought Trump’s performance was “somewhat good” or “very good” jumped from one-third in the last debate to a little over half in this debate. Biden got higher marks, too, up from 60 percent to 69 percent.

There was less change in viewers’ assessments of their policies, though. Forty-four percent thought Trump’s policy answers were good, compared to 60 percent for Biden — although both of those ratings are a few percentage points higher than in the first debate.

 

[gregory-samba]

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Thank you for sharing the truth! More people need to be more aware of the fact that their State's Government was responsible for the restrictions and mishaps as Trump allowed them to directly manage their states as they saw fit. We need more of this sort of awareness shared as opposed to constantly linking to a blog masquerading as an encyclopedia that's goal isn't to inform people of the truth, but to blind them to it by bad mouthing the President.

 

[PiracyForTheMasses]

Trump's initial failures include, but aren't limited to:

1. Effectively ending the pandemic response team a year or two before the pandemic hit
2. Downplaying risks by saying publicly that COVID-19 was not a big deal and nobody should be worried <-- We know that this alone contributed and continues to contribute to increased infection rates
3. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of testing
4. The lack of a federal response to address a lack of PPE
5. A lack of a federal response to address social distancing
6. Encouraging states and municipalities to reopen too quickly
7. Encouraging states and municipalities not to shutdown at all
8. A failure to address needed financial stimulus aside from the initial round
9. Continuing to this day to peddle misinformation about masks, suggesting they cause one to be more likely to catch COVID-19
10. Suggesting disinfectant in the lungs can be an effective treatment against COVID-19
11. Continuing to this day to hold super spreader rallies with no social distancing and few masks, inside and outside

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_administration_communication_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._federal_government_response_to_the_COVID-19_pandemic

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump#COVID-19_pandemic

You either need to: a.) Do some research, or b.) Stop gaslighting people. 223,000 Americans have died from COVID-19, which is drastically higher than most other countries, including countries with comparable populations, population densities, cultures, etc. The reason is because Donald Trump utterly failed in his handling of the pandemic.

I'm going to give you some homework:

1. Please read through the entire Wikipedia articles above. Let me know if you have any questions.
2. Please research when Trump said the United States was "open for business" in response to states and municipalities shutting down against Trump's wishes. Spoiler alert: The date is much sooner than anybody who cared about flattening the curve could reasonably state.

Your lack of an education is not an excuse for your ignorance. Down playing risk, hmm, could it be because the EXPERTS were feeding him misinformation? They were even going on tv feeding the American people misinformation. Hell, World Health Organization lied to every single person on the planet except CCP. Fauci lied to the American people, yet for whatever reason people still think that jokester is credible. Complain about Trumps handling of the virus when the facts are, each and every individual state is responsible for their handling of the virus. You are to uneducated to understand that though. State & local leaders failed to lead in a time when their states needed a leader. Complain about closing down the country and reopening. You can NOT close down a country because of a virus. I know your simple mind can not comprehend that. Your logic is, if a vaccine is not created within 2 years, we should all be locked up in our houses like prisoners until that day. Sorry buddy, that does not fly in America. A virus can not be eradicated without a vaccine. Locking everyone up in their houses is not going to do anything positive for America. Stimulus relief, who are the ones that are ALWAYS holding it up? The democrats. The democrats want to use that relief to push their idiotic agenda. If the democrats really cared about you, your kids, your parents, your family, they would want you to have that money. Instead they go the political route. Cold months are coming up, Americans need that money, democrats do not give a damn. You & people like you are so damn soft & lack common sense. You are like addicts that blame big pharma for becoming addicted to opiates even though its been known for centuries that opiates are addictive, you were informed. Instead you decided that being ignorant and placing blame else where was the better idea.

 

[gregory-samba]

Who Won The Last Presidential Debate?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-biden-final-debate-poll/

It's a debate so no one "won" anything. Both candidates were given the opportunity to discuss policy. Though I do wonder who is the main audience for fivethirtyeight.com. I bet if I look into it it'll be mostly Liberal. I'll go look at their other polls to find out if they present major bias or not.

 

[LumInvader]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

Nine new polls added today and Biden's lead is unchanged at +9.8.

Trump had arguably his best Presidential debate performance last night, but needs to shave a half point off each day just to have a 50-50 shot at winning on Nov. 3rd. He's only gained +0.1 over the last two days. Republican leaning IBD/TIPP (+4.5) has been submitting new polls every day, so that helps. Another daily pollster, USC Dornsfire, which was one of the rare few that called Trump's victory in 2016, has Biden way out in front at +11.

 

[gregory-samba]

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/national/

Nine new polls added today and Biden's lead is unchanged at +9.8.

Trump had arguably his best Presidential debate performance last night, but needs to shave a half point off each day just to have a 50-50 shot at winning on Nov. 3rd. He's only gained +0.1 over the last two days. Republican leaning IBD/TIPP (+4.5) has been submitting new polls every day, so that helps. Another daily pollster, USC Dornsfire, which was one of the rare few that called Trump's victory in 2016, has Biden way out in front at +11.

The site doing the polls has a history of Liberal bias.

https://teapartymainstreet.blogspot.com/2016/06/massive-liberal-bias-in-presidential.html

 

[LumInvader]

It's a debate so no one "won" anything. Both candidates were given the opportunity to discuss policy. Though I do wonder who is the main audience for fivethirtyeight.com. I bet if I look into it it'll be mostly Liberal. I'll go look at their other polls to find out if they present major bias or not.

Ipsos conducted the poll, not fivethirtyeight. Ipsos is a fairly unbiased pollster with only a +0.4 Democratic lean. Your issues with the poll are with the result that shows Biden comfortably ahead, not with the pollster or the website it partnered with.

 

[KingVamp]

Well, we got gay people trying to take the words "Proud Boys" back and now people are calling them Poor Boys.

 

[gregory-samba]

Ipsos conducted the poll, not fivethirtyeight. Ipsos is a fairly unbiased pollster with only a +0.4 Democratic lean. Your issues with the poll are with the result that shows Biden comfortably ahead, not with the pollster or the website it partnered with.

My issues aren't with the results as I've learned to not trust polls all together, but the page I linked to specifically called out bias with Ipsos. If you don't like the page due to it's content you can simple search for "ipsos poll bias" to get other results dealing with the same poll.

I do want Trump to win again, but unlike the Liberals who still refuse to call him their President I will gladly call whomever wins Nov 3 the President of the United States. To extend on that, I'll respect the person regardless of who it turns out to be and support them because just like the 2016 candidate that won they deserve our respect.

 

[crimpshrine]

My issues aren't with the results as I've learned to not trust polls all together, but the page I linked to specifically called out bias with Ipsos. If you don't like the page due to it's content you can simple search for "ipsos poll bias" to get other results dealing with the same poll.

I do want Trump to win again, but unlike the Liberals who still refuse to call him their President I will gladly call whomever wins Nov 3 the President of the United States. To extend on that, I'll respect the person regardless of who it turns out to be and support them because just like the 2016 candidate that won they deserve our respect.

I don't think any of the #'s posted here are going to age well as far as polls go related to the Trump vs Biden.

We will see how well these polls did very soon.

 

[gregory-samba]

I don't think any of the #'s posted here are going to age well as far as polls go related to the Trump vs Biden.

We will see how well these polls did very soon.

Considering most of social media, entertainment sites and news syndications are Liberal owned I have to question how these polls that are based on users of those sites really represent the majority of Americans. Most responsible American's with jobs and families don't have time to sit around and take polls. So that leads me to believe it's the worthless jobless freeloaders taking these polls and that would fit in with the type of people that are liberal in the USA.

 

[ut2k4master]

Most responsible American's with jobs and families don't have time to sit around and take polls. So that leads me to believe it's the worthless jobless freeloaders taking these polls and that would fit in with the type of people that are liberal in the USA.

guess youre counting yourself in the worthless, jobless freeloaders group too since you hang around here so much

 

[gregory-samba]

guess youre counting yourself in the worthless, jobless freeloaders group too since you hang around here so much

Possibly, but how would you explain the at home job I have? That might prove to be a bit tricky.