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For whom will/would you vote?

Poll closed Nov 4, 2020.
  1. Donald Trump and Mike Pence (Republican Party)

    33.1%
  2. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris (Democratic Party)

    52.6%
  3. Jo Jorgensen and Spike Cohen (Libertarian Party)

    2.5%
  4. Howie Hawkins and Angela Walker (Green Party)

    3.9%
  5. Other

    7.9%
  6. 646 voter(s)
  1. smf

    smf GBAtemp Psycho!
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    Who denies that he is the president of the united states?

    His critics rightly call him a liar, cheat, sexual predator etc but none have said he isn't president.

    Trump said he wouldn't accept the result though & it's pretty likely that he won't.
    For that very reason, you should not vote for him to see what he does.
     
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  2. gregory-samba

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    Trump said he wouldn't accept an illegitimate election and that was in response to Biden forming a 600+ lawyer team with the sole intention on litigating the election results if Biden looses - simply because he lost. I can understand why Trump would be a bit apprehensive considering Biden has 600 lawyers ready to fight regardless if there's any fraud or not simply because Biden already refuses to accept the results.

    There's also many people all over social media that claim Trump isn't their president. Then you have the bunch of Liberals that didn't even give him a chance and decided to impeach him regardless if he's guilty of anything just because they refused to accept the election results before he even took office. Their refusal to accept the results is what also motivated the multi-million dollar witch hunt that was the Russian collusion that turned out to be a waste of everyone's time. So you have various groups of people that decided not to accept the results.
     
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    3 hard drives or maybe even more soon ! #SAVETHEKIDS
     
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  4. Lacius

    OP Lacius GBAtemp Legend
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    Wikipedia, factually, is not a "liberal run blog."

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    WHO didn't lie. Fauci didn't lie. Trump wasn't fed misinformation. Trump fed (and continues to feed) Americans misinformation. Lies, strawmen, and insults aren't going to change the facts.
     
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    It is rather curious that the Commission on Presidential Debates excluded the topic. And oh yeah as of today add Sudan to the list of M.E. Arab countries normalizing ties with Israel.

    [​IMG]
     
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  6. Whole lotta love

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    I'm voting socialist
     
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    That's odd, because only a handful of people control the most popular "public" wiki pages and have them under lock and key. If you're additions don't jive with the Liberal agenda they are discarded. Additionally, those three links you gave to me had a purpose and it wasn't to educate the public on reality. They were made to mislead the public by attacking Trump whereas my links to the various Government entities that have dealt with and are dealing with the virus directly are factual and contain many dates and times of when Trump acted. That was while the Democrats and Liberals refused to act and called him a racist and xenophobe for acting.

    I do often wonder how many less people would have died if the Democrats didn't fight against Trump's actions to curb the spread of covid-19. I guess we'll never know, but that leads me back to my question that you've still refused to answer ...

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    You're not going to get a liberal to acknowledge Trump has done a lot of good as that doesn't fit into their pre-programmed cases of terminal TDS. Of course, saying anything positive about Trump will get you attacked by mindless minions so I believe it's fear or being rejected that also motivates TDS sufferers. Imagine needing to belong to a bunch of lying, thieving, murdering arsonist scum. I don't want to belong to a group of people actively fighting to destroy the country. I love my country.
     
  8. Lacius

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    I don't think you know how Wikipedia works. Pages generally aren't under "lock and key," and if additions are rejected, it's because they didn't comport with the facts as we know them (or they're improperly cited).

    I suggest you look again at the list of Trump's COVID-19 failings I posted earlier today.
     
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  9. shamzie

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  10. UltraSUPRA

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    If you're posting a poll, just keep in mind that some Trump supporters (like my dad) would never in a million years say it. You don't know who's on the other side of that phone. It could be Antifa, and they could burn your house down.
     
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    I've gotten political polling calls at least 30-40 times since June. I hung up on every one of them.
     
  12. crimpshrine

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    I think the crazier the left get the more inaccurate polling would get specific to polls regarding Trump vs Biden.

    Outside of other potential issues with their polling methods.

    Bradley effect basically. And it was present in 2016, I can only imagine it could be even greater now given the climate of how intolerant the left has become.

    People have watched how people that publicly support Trump are treated for years now. And it has only gotten worse.

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    I personally think this one question in the recent Gallup poll likely inadvertently removes some of the bradley effect away from the question.

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    I believe the 56% percent that believe they are better off now than 4 years ago are likely going to be voting for Trump now, or at least again. I (and my family) are in the now camp.

    It's not a direct, who is better Trump or Biden question.
     
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  13. LumInvader

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    At the top of the page you linked to, the blogger concocted an unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that communists are running the polls with the help of liberal activists and RINO Republicans. You tell me that you have issues with polls, but you have no such issues regarding extremist conspiracy theory blogs or their use to attack said polls.

    I already told you that Ipsos' Democractic lean is only +0.4, which is fairly moderate and nowhere near as biased as claimed by the blog you linked me to.

    Also at the top of that page, the blogger made an argument that "There's nobody monitoring the accuracy of the polls fed to the public," which *may* have been true back in 2016, but is pants on fire false today:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

    Ipsos carries a B- rating btw, which is slightly above average.
     
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    soon better be real soon. every day they delay the release of this "new shocking evidence", votes already go out in the mail.
     
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    I am sure that there are plenty of these type of people too.

    Certain liberals like to downplay the laptop but it is making a difference. Even for those that were NOT on the fence.

    I highly doubt the laptop situation has made anyone switch from Trump over to Biden.

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    Reminder:

    CURRENT DNI John Ratcliffe confirmed this is NOT connected to Russian disinformation effort. That there is no intelligence to support any claims of that nature. No matter what arm chair intelligence officers claim.

    Signatures have been compared from the form at the computer place. And they match enough to suggest/indicate it was Hunter who signed.

    Hunter Biden's Attorney has attempted to retrieve the hard drive from the computer store owner.

    People on the email chains have confirmed they received the same message as in the evidence of his drive.

    Secret service has confirmed that travel plans match places and times traveled listed in the emails.

    https://www.grassley.senate.gov/sites/default/files/2020-10-20 CEG RHJ to Secret Service (Hunter Biden Travel Records Follow-Up) .pdf

    Neither Joe, Hunter, or his campaign have said the data is invalid. Or that it is NOT his data/laptop.
     

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  16. Lacius

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    Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. Polls are more indicative of how an election will go.
     
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    The national polls in 2016 showed Clinton at +3.9, and she won the popular vote by +2.1. So, the national polls were off by 1.8 in Trump's direction. (11 days from the election, the polls showed Clinton at +5.5, and her poll numbers were beginning to fall largely because of the Comey Letter).

    The national polls in 2020 show Biden currently at +9.8. If the national polls hold at 9.8 after 11 days and end up being off by 1.8 in Trump's direction (they are just as likely to be off by 1.8 in Biden's direction), then Biden would still win the popular vote by +8.0, and he would very likely win the Electoral College. Obama won in 2012 by +3.9, and Obama won in 2008 by +7.2.

    *All polling aggregates from FiveThirtyEight. Other aggregates like RealClearPolitics showed/show similar numbers.
     
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    Speaking of polling bias...
    These are 6 of the most active conservative leaning pollsters. The above results are from their most recent state polls. If these polling scenarios play out, Trump will fall short of 270 electoral votes, according to fivethirtyeight's probability map:

    https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/

    - Trump can't reach 270 without Florida.
    - Trump can't reach 270 without Ohio.
    - Trump can't reach 270 without both Wisconsin & Michigan or Pennsylvania.
    - Trump can't reach 270 without one of either Michigan or Pennsylvania.
    - Trump has <1% probability of reaching 270 down 12 points nationally.

    According to the other most active conservative pollster, Trump does possess a rather small probability of winning:
    - Trump doesn't require Pennsylvania to win, but will require huge upset wins in both Wisconsin & Michigan to reach 270.
    - A 4.5 point national polling deficit grants Trump an 11% probability of reaching 270.
     
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