Constitutional violations?
I mean, I get the fire codes, but everybody gets sick. That shouldn't stop people from worshipping God.
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Am I the only person with consistent views? (COVID19/abortion)
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I mean, I get the fire codes, but everybody gets sick. That shouldn't stop people from worshipping God.
it is not a constitutional violation, the supreme court has already ruled on it in the past. worship god from home.
It is legal on the grounds that it is temporary and does not single out any single religion or place of worship.
my local church down the street is doing zoom meetings just fine.
It is legal on the grounds that it is temporary and does not single out any single religion or place of worship.
my local church down the street is doing zoom meetings just fine.
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I'm so proud of everyone for not falling for OPs bullshit. Trying to compare wearing a mask over your mouth and nose while in public, to getting an unwanted lifelong commitment and 9-month tumor removed from your body is hilarious. Let's compare farting in an elevator to burning down a building because they both make you a big meanie head.
Nobody here watches cable news, let alone gives a shit about the media reporting on Covid. The data is easily and freely available online without any spin that CNN or Fox News want to throw on it.
Nobody here watches cable news, let alone gives a shit about the media reporting on Covid. The data is easily and freely available online without any spin that CNN or Fox News want to throw on it.
I was not making a comparison of quantity/intensity but of quality/morality.
Ask your mother when you stopped being a tumor. I could call this comparison of yours bullshit as well, but on some level you are correct.
@Mods: I think all positions have been exchanged. The thread can be closed, but I also don´t mind if it continues as a general COVID19 thread for a while. Up to you [plural].
I pretty much threw my hands on the air saying to my self "What the fuck?!" we were told for months, NO SOCIAL GATHERINGS, and suddenly a bunch of people and the media threw that shit out the window. It was pretty surreal and funny.
Funny is code for 'we can hate on it'.
But is it really that hard to understand?
- No mass social gatherings is a top down societal demand. Its anti social in some cases its dehumanizing, but you do it for a bigger goal (not to have Covid-19 spread exponentially).
Then societal pressures build. Then an event happens where all of the pent up anger erupts, people go out on the street and just 'discharge' (no work, increasing worries, no clear image about the future, ...)
- Protests happen.
And you bunch of three heckling rabbits have nothing better to do than to pepe the frog meme "find it funny" how first, authority figures said one thing, but then they also had to acknowledge how not everyone was doing what they were demanding?
And you freaking nit a 'unfair' conspiracy against us story out of it, because both events show incongruency of some power you seem to wanna fight, even though your political fraction is in power right now.
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Lets give you some perspective. In my country we didn't have Jim Crow rememberence demonstrations, because our police doesnt regularly kill people by stomping on them.
We also had demonstrations, but the only ones demonstrating were extreme right nutters, that were protesting the end of democracy, while babling something about, the economy was supposed to collapse five years ago into camera, and warning people not to take vaccinations.
The reaction was the same muted empathy for those gatherings. Although most people rolled their eyes, we didnt say sh*t because it was understood, that this were people venting frustrations.
The same concept I can see every day when I use public transport. People there are 'forced' to wear masks. If they don't you get kicked out. Some people made it a custom to wear them with their noses hanging out - either because they are utter morons believing in the same nonsense you are spewing all day, or because they were fed up and used that to show it.
Societal reaction was - to do nothing about it. Dont talk to those people, dont remind them to wear their masks normally, nothing. About four months in the public transport company made a PR tape (audio) to remind people, to also keep their noses in, but we didnt say anything - because we understood - that those actions symbolized either stupidity or frustration.
But NEVER - did any of the people I've seen throughout it sink to the lows of classifying this as
surreal and funny.
Because it isnt. And if you make it out to be, just to have another vehicle to knife against public action that forced another result that didnt match. I suggest you stop laughing and start thinking about not everyone seeing it as a 'failure of government' if resentment against restricting demands is voiced after a while.
If in the US the only people that did that were the same far right nut jobs as in my country - you wouldnt have found it funny, you would have protected those people in argument.
So can we please just have a moment to acknowledge, that such a public reaction is expected and met with understanding and even empathy. And that this is not a thing to draw party lines through.
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I can't be bothered to verify that or not but assuming it is the case
I would want numbers on what goes, as I do with everything, before going further there.
I imagine by now we have at least reasonable estimates for infection rates, infectiousness and outcomes (death, serious and otherwise) at various ages and comorbidities (seemingly unhealthy people, immunocompromised, fat people and old people, haven't seen much more on young via cytokine storm though some mentioned it, and obviously we don't know what late stage things there might be a la those fun cancers in late life for one time polio patients),
We have reasonable economic impact estimates for various things, and cost of implementation of measures, and economics cuts the other way too -- bad economy, more people dining upon a bullet, more people knocking their partner/kids around, different seeking of services...
We have something like an estimate for what mitigation methods have. Probably also what tracking options there might be in some places (South Korea having some fun stuff where luddites in the rest of the world have a harder time before the chains become too long)
Vaccine efficacy rate. Production rate (some vaccines are harder to produce than others, even more so if you skip eggs and the like and have to go for harder). Deployment rate and likely deployment percentages (watching all the usual suspects the anti vax set have laid the groundwork for a while now, plus you will have the random religious groups and I don't see them doing something like they did for the other ones they wiped out in deepest, darkest Africa and Asia).
How mutation prone the virus appears to be. Anything can mutate but I have not seen anything yet saying this is like HIV, the common cold or even the flu where annual strains is a thing.
Whether herd immunity or transmission rate will drop when infected percentage (assuming the few months and your antibodies are gone is not in play like some suspected) and vaccinated percentage reaches critical levels such that average number of infected by each patient drops to near 0, and what costs will be to get there.
Acceptable rates of death and serious infection relative to freedoms and economics and risk then becomes the order of the day.
Tryhard..
But yes, in a sense...
Issue with that philosophy is, that if everyone does it in aggregate you get exponential spreading again. As individual philosophy: fine - as blueprint for general behavior: not.
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That is wrong, everyone in the protest that marches has to walk on the same ground that the people in front of them walked on, so yes it is shared surface
Where?
Economy is dead after three, four months of lockdown. Thats a pretty sure indicator that whatever that guy phantasizes doest come into existence.
That said looking at how the entire propagation in the US is entirely out of control 'some' sort of measures in the US will be likely in highly affected areas (i.e. cities), until the vaccine arrives. But curfews dont qualify as that.
Could you think before posting flipping twitter agitations without context, and without link? WIthout date.
You even found a way to trick this forum. We cant respond to your nonsense easily, because you will only use attachments, that dont show up in quotes. (Post images in imgur, then link them, then they do show up.)
Here, as late response to your 'its so unfair' protests are allowed, but church congregations are not posting:
https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-study-reveals-how-most-germans-get-infected/a-54659651
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locking down would have worked if our country wasn't full of mouth breathing knuckle draggers who don't follow basic protocols. all because wearing a mask is to hard i guess. other countries have been handling this just fine, and their economies are much better. the anti-intellectualism has gotten so far out of control.
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ah yes, the blue state of Texas Florida and Arizona and Georgia, and Oklahoma, and Tennessee , who definitely aren't have a total case count higher or equal to the case count of other democratic states. That ain't looking so good chief.
And as a state governor you can only do so much until you ask the federal government for help...
which the president said f you for about 4 months and then only cared when it started hitting actual red states.
Sweden doesn't matter, sweeden is not the united states. And most other countries handled it better and already normally running. We, are not, if you want further evidence, look to the EU ban on the United States regarding flights.
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sweden's death rate per 100k people is worse than ours. their case fatality rate is 6%. so if everyone in sweden caught the virus, 6% will die at this rate. the USA's rate is 3.1%, but sure lets open up fully and double our death rate.
The stats are skewed, places with higher population density and international travel hubs got hit hard early (left states).
remember when there was going to be a coronavirus task force lead by jared kushner, who decided to do nothing because it was only blue states that were getting fucked in the beginning? I remember.
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those eggs are peoples lives, what the fuck. wasn't this whole thread started with the argument that pre-born lives are important and shouldn't be destroyed; but regular lives are ok to just throw away like trash?
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At this point, no lives can be saved.
Besides, when it comes down to it, you're either picking the side that risks the lives of old people in exchange for freedom...or the side that massacred old people while stripping away our freedoms.
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