Surprisingly, there's a gaming event taking place in 2020 that hasn't been cancelled yet. China's gaming trade show, ChinaJoy, is still on track to happen later this year, though there will be a few changes to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Attendees will be allowed in staggered waves, with booths to be spread out further than usual for social distancing. Other measures will also be put into place, such as attendees having to show ID to get into the building, and use of a health code tracking app to keep track of potential individuals that might have the virus. Last year, ChinaJoy saw over 360,000 attendees visit Shanghai to see new game reveals and experience game demos. This year, the show will take place from July 31st to August 3rd.

SHANGHAI, May 12 (Xinhua) -- ChinaJoy, Asia's biggest game event held annually in Shanghai, will start on July 31 as scheduled, its organizing committee has announced.

The four-day exhibition will be held both online and offline and all the preparation work is going smoothly, the organizing committee told an online press conference held Monday.

It will launch new programs such as a "Global Cloud-Game Industry Conference" and "Fashion Toy Exhibition," the organizing committee added.

Known as the China Digital Entertainment Expo and Conference, the exhibition received 364,700 game players last year.

China has become the world's largest online game market. Statistics show that the market size hit 231 billion yuan (about 32.6 billion U.S. dollars) in 2018, and is expected to reach 300 billion yuan in 2020 and 321.7 billion yuan in 2021. Enditem

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[FAST6191]

Would you go out down to yr local shopping centre with a pig or mayb a chicken or even a cow? - No it wouldn't look normal

Do you take your horse to such a place?

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I am all for word games (granted you are probably putting words into the mouths of people rather than twisting them) but you know exactly what was meant by that.

I do not intend to put words in to anybody´s mouth. I am sorry if it came across this way. I simply want to challenge the view that a government is fundamentally separate from its people (or the other way round). Is not Merkel a typical German and supported by many Germans? The same is true for Xi and many other leaders. Isn´t the view on guns in America reflected in its specific history? By the same token, a strong central government is actually preferred by most Chinese due to historic reasons (which I could expand upon but I already wrote too much off topic).

 

[FAST6191]

I do not put words in to anybody´s mouth. I am sorry if it came across this way. I simply want to challenge the view that a government is fundamentally separate from its people (or the other way round). Is not Merkel a typical German and supported by many Germans? The same is true for Xi and many other leaders. Isn´t the view on guns in America reflected in its specific history? By the same token, a strong central government is actually preferred by most Chinese due to historic reasons (which I could expand upon but I already wrote too much off topic).

Is China's government strong and centralised? Not even considering Hong Kong and Macao, much less even starting with Taiwan, the inter province (and intra province in the case of tier 1 cities vs the rest of the province) bickering is generally noted by anybody even casually observing the setup and quite amusing to watch (my favourites either being the time one sued another for stealing its rain after an attempt at cloud seeding, or the ever fun one where the province responsible for most of the cigarettes tries to prop up its business).

Likewise I don't think anybody is say the government is utterly divorced from the people in anything but failed states, however if the ability to effect change is a metric we get to consider then... yeah.

On the other hand if you want to go with the government is reflective of the people then that would paint the Chinese people as a bunch of arseholes, which is rather at odds with all the ones I have ever spoken to or seen conversations with.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Is China's government strong and centralised? Not even considering Hong Kong and Macao, much less even starting with Taiwan, the inter province (and intra province in the case of tier 1 cities vs the rest of the province) bickering is generally noted by anybody even casually observing the setup and quite amusing to watch

Yes, China´s government is strong and centralized. What you are talking about is conflicts between local governments. People in the West (at least in Germany) tend to prefer or attribute positive aspects to local governemnts. It is the other way around in China.

Macau, HK and Taiwan are special cases in that they have different political systems but are ultimately not independend (one could argue about Taiwan) - which reflects the will of the Chinese people. I want to point out that Berlin would wage war against Bavaria if it tried to become independent (not to mention the American civil war).

Likewise I don't think anybody is say the government is utterly divorced from the people in anything but failed states, however if the ability to effect change is a metric we get to consider then... yeah.

The CCP has changed more in the past generation than the e.g. Republicans in America. It has turned from a peasant to a middle class party. I wonder if it is even true that Americans are more able to affect change in politics. All I need to say is Bernie Bros.

On the other hand if you want to go with the government is reflective of the people then that would paint the Chinese people as a bunch of arseholes, which is rather at odds with all the ones I have ever spoken to or seen conversations with.

Another fundamental misunderstanding of a what a government is. The government of a country does not exist to please you. It exists to please the people of said nation. I do not blame you for we both have been brought up in countries where this is smeared as "populism" (even though "populus" and "demos" have the same meaning; another meaningless distinction is patriotism vs nationalism).

 

[FAST6191]

Yes, China´s government is strong and centralized. What you are talking about is conflicts between local governments. People in the West (at least in Germany) tend to prefer or attribute positive aspects to local governemnts. It is the other way around in China.

Macau, HK and Taiwan are special cases in that they have different political systems but are ultimately not independend (one could argue about Taiwan) - which reflects the will of the Chinese people. I want to point out that Berlin would wage war against Bavaria if it tried to become independend (not to mention the American civil war).

The CCP has changed more in the past generation than the e.g. Republicans in America. It has turned from a peasant to a middle class party. I wonder if it is even true that Americans are more able to affect change in politics. All I need to say is Bernie Bros.


Another fundamental misunderstanding of a what a government is. The government of a country does not exist to please you. It exists to please the people of said nation. I do not blame you for we both have been brought up in countries where this is smeared as "populism" (even though "populus" and "demos" have the same meaning; another meaningless distinction is patriotism vs nationalism).

I attribute nothing to anything here. I just found it amusing and running counter to your narrative that the government is strong and centralised when each province wields massive power within its borders, and much of the would be national government not concerned.

While the CCP's greasy fingers can be felt in Taiwan they do seem to resist. Also I did say excluding those.

Changed? Certainly. Whether that change is for the better of China, the world, much less being reflective of its people.

That last part was a jab at your logic. If the government reflects the people then a government which are bastards means the people are bastards.
Likewise I look more at the human rights record of the modern CCP, their environmental policies, their take on intellectual property, their take on internal history education, their take on education in general, their freedoms of the press and so on. Certainly you get to break some eggs to make an omelette, you will never be able to please everybody, and sometimes hard decisions get to be made. However there are nice ways to set about it, and generate quick results even, where the people's republic of China is rather harder to like here.

Your characterisations could use work as well -- even within Europe it varies massively, never mind trying to wind in the approaches seen in the colonies. The UK for instance enjoying a rather different history and approach to many things owing to water invasions being rather hard, or we could look at the likes of Poland or the Czech republic and their formations (usually being under the thumb of various other states then nationalism and populism there have rather different, Germany's history here also being an interesting one here owing to the whole Prussia, confederation of the Rhine, small states and Austro-Hungarian bit (though post world war 2/unification and desire to stamp out the nazi bit has changed that somewhat which is equally amusing to see and contemplate).

 

[Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee]

I am all for word games (granted you are probably putting words into the mouths of people rather than twisting them) but you know exactly what was meant by that.

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[ChaosEternal]

"Potential allies" please go educate yourself. China has NEVER & will NEVER be an ally. You are more than happy to call out China for their bullshit, thats a lie. You are NOT educated on anything that has to do with China. In fact, all you know about China is what you see on the news. Go get educated on the history between China & USA.

I'd recommend you read my followup post. Clearly I wasn't explicit enough in the post you're responding too, as when I meant allies, I meant people outside China.

(even though "populus" and "demos" have the same meaning; another meaningless distinction is patriotism vs nationalism).

I feel that a distinction can be made. Nationalism is being supportive of your country in all situations. No matter how terrible or wrong-headed their actions are, if you are nationalistic, you'll support them. Patriotism is a dedication to improving your country. You'll support them when they're making the right decisions and challenge them when they're moving in the wrong direction. You aren't just a government mouthpiece; you stand for the country upon which the government stands. Boiled down, the difference is whether you are willing to look critically at your own government's actions when choosing where and when to support them. You always serve your country, but you don't always serve your government. At least, that's my view of it.

 

[FAST6191]

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You said you like the Chinese people, rather less fond of the government.
Presumably being that you have had a chat with some Chinese expats, maybe some students (especially if you managed to get them out of the watchful gaze of the Confucius Institute), had conversations with some people inside it (you tend not to make nice flash carts, hacks and mod chips if you are not fond of games yourself). Generally they all like to have a good time and make something more than what they had without causing too many traumas for others, which is the same as most places really. The government of the people's republic of China having a rather than less than stellar track record.

UltraDolphinRevolution then started prattling on about occupation or whatever, which is at best a tangential topic.

Your post needed to be quoted for context to the reply.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I attribute nothing to anything here. I just found it amusing and running counter to your narrative that the government is strong and centralised when each province wields massive power within its borders, and much of the would be national government not concerned.

Well it is not really a contradiction if it refers to different things. I think we can both agree that China has a stronger centralized government as seen by how they dealt with COVID19. When it got out of control, the highet level called basically all the shots. There would be no Elon Musk opening a factory or the governer of New York verbally "attacking" the president.

Changed? Certainly. Whether that change is for the better of China, the world, much less being reflective of its people.

It is certainly reflective. I just told you that China went from a peasant party and society to what it is today.

That last part was a jab at your logic. If the government reflects the people then a government which are bastards means the people are bastards.

I understood that. It is up to you if you think badly about Chinese people. All I can tell you is that if the government is outraged at the NBA, the "average" Chinese is actually less moderate than the government. What people in the West do not understand is that both the Chinese and Russian government are actually pretty moderate. When Trump (the person with the highest power in the US!) talks about not paying back debt, the Chinese government says nothing or stays diplomatic. The Chinese average person (as long as he knows about it) would probably sell all bonds at once and crash the world economy just to save his honor. The Chinese people you met might simply not be interested in politics or not interested in sharing their thoughts with you (because they know you look down on them and it would be exhausting to start with a discussion about parity; furthermore they are quite harmony-seeking if you do not attack them personally and let them keep their dignity). Chinese people are not manipulated victims that need to be liberated - from what I can tell down here.

BTW what you said about Europe I largely agree with. I sometimes paint with a broad brush when I compare China to "the West" (I guess we could also zoom in on China)

 

[Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee]

You said you like the Chinese people, rather less fond of the government.
Presumably being that you have had a chat with some Chinese expats, maybe some students (especially if you managed to get them out of the watchful gaze of the Confucius Institute), had conversations with some people inside it (you tend not to make nice flash carts, hacks and mod chips if you are not fond of games yourself). Generally they all like to have a good time and make something more than what they had without causing too many traumas for others, which is the same as most places really. The government of the people's republic of China having a rather than less than stellar track record.

UltraDolphinRevolution then started prattling on about occupation or whatever, which is at best a tangential topic.

Your post needed to be quoted for context to the reply.

Oh right.

I do not entirely understand your response. I have known ethnic Chinese people but not really "expats" and I haven't chatted with Chinese expats either.

Chinese people are human beings. That is why I posted that I like them.

 

[FAST6191]

Well it is not really a contradiction if it refers to different things. I think we can both agree that China has a stronger centralized government as seen by how they dealt with COVID19. When it got out of control, the highet level called basically all the shots. There would be no Elon Musk opening a factory or the governer of New York verbally "attacking" the president.


It is certainly reflective. I just told you that China went from a peasant party and society to what it is today.


I understood that. It is up to you if you think badly about Chinese people. All I can tell you is that if the government is outraged at the NBA, the "average" Chinese is actually less moderate than the government. What people in the West do not understand is that both the Chinese and Russian government are actually pretty moderate. When Trump (the person with the highest power in the US!) talks about not paying back debt, the Chinese government says nothing or stays diplomatic. The Chinese average person (as long as he knows about it) would probably sell all bonds at once and crash the world economy just to save his honor. The Chinese people you met might simply not be interested in politics or not interested in sharing their thoughts with you (because they know you look down on them and it would be exhausting to start with a discussion about parity; furthermore they are quite harmony-seeking if you do not attack them personally and let them keep their dignity). Chinese people are not manipulated victims that need to be liberated - from what I can tell down here.

BTW what you said about Europe I largely agree with. I sometimes paint with a broad brush when I compare China to "the West" (I guess we could also zoom in on China)

You can tell me what you want, whether I care to believe that or it comports with observed reality (or is anything I would care to live under or want to see others live under) is an entirely different matter. Not to mention that was not the point I was driving towards.

Plenty of Chinese people I met were interested in politics, and happily discussing it. I am well versed in the idea of face too. Going further much of my observations were of a passive nature, and one nobody would ever have likely known (join a group/forum, say 你好 and you can lurk just fine for months, indeed I think my main qq account is now 10+ years old and it is ever active). Moreover I don't look down on them.

Do I think badly about Chinese people, assuming they can even be considered one homogenous group (rather large place, lot of histories, lot of cultures, lot of languages, often not even one country combining them)? What might have given you the impression that I think that way?

Are we bringing Russia into this now? That is a whole other kettle of fish and rather different matter.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I feel that a distinction can be made. Nationalism is being supportive of your country in all situations. No matter how terrible or wrong-headed their actions are, if you are nationalistic, you'll support them. Patriotism is a dedication to improving your country.

And that´s fine. Some would define nationalism as genetic-based and patriotism as confession-based. In the end, the words allude to the same thing: nation-nature and patriot-pater(father). What people do when they give the essentially the same word a spin is saying that XYZ can be either good or bad. Duh... Isn´t it funny that democracy is the better than 2nd coming of Christ but populism is worse than the devil?

@Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee: Well that´s a low threshold.
Reminds me of Jesse Lee Peterson´s "Do you love +insert a people+"

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Moreover I don't look down on them.
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Are we bringing Russia into this now? That is a whole other kettle of fish and rather different matter.

I am sorry if I do not do you justice. I just saw racial slurs of other users and was reminded of a typical Westerner. But didn´t you mention "current leadership"? Are you saying that have a bad leadership which does not represent its people? Well then re-activate your friendships and talk with them (in person) about the government. I simply do not see a people (painting broadly here) who are victims or very different from their government. In the West people assume that the poor Chinese and Russians (that´s why I brought them up) need to be liberated like Iraq and the only reasons it hasn´t happened is that they have nukes. They cannot conceive of a people being different and more or less happy with being different. That´s looking down on them in my opinion (would you support an overthrow of their government? do you feel sorry for their government even though they do not?)

 

[Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee]

And that´s fine. Some would define nationalism as genetic-based and patriotism as confession-based. In the end, the words allude to the same thing: nation-nature and patriot-pater(father). What people do when they give the essentially the same word a spin is saying that XYZ can be either good or bad. Duh... Isn´t it funny that democracy is the better than 2nd coming of Christ but populism is worse than the devil?

@Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee: Well that´s a low threshold.
Reminds me of Jesse Lee Peterson´s "Do you love +insert a people+"

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I am sorry if I do not do you justice. I just saw racial slurs of other users and was reminded of a typical Westerner. But didn´t you mention "current leadership"? Are you saying that have a bad leadership which does not represent its people? Well then re-activate your friendships and talk with them (in person) about the government. I simply do not see a people (painting broadly here) who are victims or very different from their government. In the West people assume that the poor Chinese and Russians (that´s why I brought them up) need to be liberated like Iraq and the only reasons it hasn´t happened is that they have nukes. They cannot conceive of a people being different and more or less happy with being different.

But seriously, how come you are fluent in English?

 

[FAST6191]

I am sorry if I do not do you justice. I just saw racial slurs of other users and was reminded of a typical Westerner. But didn´t you mention "current leadership"? Are you saying that have a bad leadership which does not represent its people? Well then re-activate your friendships and talk with them (in person) about the government. I simply do not see a people (painting broadly here) who are victims or very different from their government. In the West people assume that the poor Chinese and Russians (that´s why I brought them up) need to be liberated like Iraq and the only reasons it hasn´t happened is that they have nukes. They cannot conceive of a people being different and more or less happy with being different. That´s looking down on them in my opinion (would you support an overthrow of their government? do you feel sorry for their government even though they do not?)

Get a Chinese person out of PRC China (or indeed look at something like Taiwan, which more or less was China until living memory, or Hong Kong, or the various other Asian states if you want to go that way even that does make things a bit harder), or a Russian person out of Russia and I don't tend to see them recreate PRC or Russian political systems.

Happy to be different? In conversation I usually see it as "ah, what can you do?" or perhaps hedging their bets against things (if you know the government will always favour itself you try not to be the nail standing up, make your little nest egg for you and yours, game the system where you can and try to hedge against it if not). I see that at all levels of society.

Overthrow? Go another. Would I support a more or less copy paste and replace the names PRC system to here? I think I would rather live under Sharia law and that ain't happening any time soon either.

You can say feeling sorry for is looking down upon, much less simultaneously looking down upon the people of it, I don't think that is a definition you will gain widespread acceptance for though. The government is also a phase in most places (you yourself said it changed considerably) so there is also that -- someone else will be along at some point and might have some other ideas. Mind you though the current one there leaves a lot to be desired compared to before his ascension into leader for life.

Was Iraq needing to be liberated? I thought that was just a convenient fiction. Likewise I would also say winning the war is easy, winning the peace though is a whole different game and one most are ill prepared for. If you can't win the war, which includes the peace, then consider very hard if you want to pull the trigger there.

Any misgivings I have about Russian politicos are rather different and come from a very different history. They also have different approaches (China might be playing a long game but Russia a longer one and I know I who would favour in that one, and it is not the one the fears being likened to a cartoon bear).

 

[Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee]

This thread is now very.. off-topic. It has gone off-topic.

Please, let us all go back on-topic?

 

[DANTENDO]

This thread is now very.. off-topic. It has gone off-topic.

Please, let us all go back on-topic?

the coronavirus is a vicious beast until it disappears it can change any thread at anytime without people even realizing it

 

[Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee]

the coronavirus is a vicious beast until it disappears it can change any thread at anytime without people even realizing it

Not funny.

 

[DANTENDO]

Not funny.

didnt say it was just pointing out a fact

 

[Pokemon_Tea_Sea_Jee]

didnt say it was just pointing out a fact

What you typed and posted is not true, so there was no fact there.

 

[Pippin666]

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Surprisingly, there's a gaming event taking place in 2020 that hasn't been cancelled yet. China's gaming trade show,...

What's surprising ? China will do anything to prove the world that they got rid of covid-19 on their ground. I just hope they will test american people before letting them in.

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