Donald Trump impeachment investigation over Ukranian phone call...

[Hanafuda]

An almost complete partisan vote

You can expect this to drag on now for many months right up to the election. That’s all this is about anyway. It’s not about proving anything, they just want the daily mud-dragging for their election campaign. It’s exactly what Alexander Hamilton warned about re: the impeachment process, i.e. using the process.

I don’t really expect the House to vote this over to the Senate until just before the election. That way they get the most political damage.

 

[Josshy0125]

Trump has done a lot worse than getting a blowjob, which we impeached a liberal for. So far trump has bought an international hotel for making money off of foreign diplomats, rented space at trump tower for foreign entities, fired an fbi director for investigating crimes against him, and most recently tried to bribe a foreign government to investigate american citizens. So stop with the "misuse of impeachment"

Also, communism =/ socialism. You have it backwards. Socialism is for the individual, communism is for the state. We are already a socialist country. You benefit from socialism. The only "right" that socialism takes from anyone, is the right to take advantage of the impoverished.

You seem to identify as one of the billionaire's that people are speaking out against. That's not you. You dont realise just how much you benefit from socialism. But maybe your kids will, when these criminals pretending to be conservatives completely ruin education, or crime is out of control because we are short on police, or public transport comes to an end, or the environment itself becomes a health hazard, or only elites (not you) can afford proper healthcare. I can go on.

Edit: take a moment and really think what the country would actually be like if it were the way these "conservatives" want it. Where everyone is for themselves and people in need are left to their own demise because "it's not my problem". It would be a hell.

While I agree, you should point out he wasn't impeached for getting a blowjob. It was for perjury.

 

[seany1990]

Democrats 231 2 1
Republicans 0 194 3
Independents 1 0 0
Total 232 196 4

194 people who have no regard at all for the rule of law. Corruption in broad daylight

 

[RationalityIsLost101]

An almost complete partisan vote

That independent is someone who disavowed the republican party. Just putting that into perspective. I'm not surprised this is a partisan vote. Most saw this as a support for or against impeachment while others who support the inquiry (talking about republicans) disagreed with the minority not having independent subpoena without the majority approval among other contentions. Or at least they could use that as their excuse for voting no as it isn't specifically addressing Trump's conduct. That is the vote we will have to use to make any determination and that vote is not anytime soon as we haven't allowed the rest of congress to view the current testimony until the process matures.

"The only non-Democrat to vote for the resolution was Representative Justin Amash of Michigan, the former Republican who abandoned his party earlier this year. (Two Democrats voted against it: Representative Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey and Collin Peterson of Minnesota, both of whom represent districts that backed Trump in 2016.)"

 

[Glyptofane]

You can expect this to drag on now for many months right up to the election. That’s all this is about anyway. It’s not about proving anything, they just want the daily mud-dragging for their election campaign. It’s exactly what Alexander Hamilton warned about re: the impeachment process, i.e. using the process.

I don’t really expect the House to vote this over to the Senate until just before the election. That way they get the most political damage.

Bingo, and that's exactly why we're getting a televised inquiry.

 

[Hanafuda]

194 people who have no regard at all for the rule of law. Corruption in broad daylight

I’d honestly be surprised if you even know what “the rule of law” even means. But you’re right about corruption in broad daylight.

 

[IncredulousP]

194 people who have no regard at all for the rule of law. Corruption in broad daylight

196 people*

 

[Hanafuda]

I've decided to no longer comment in serious nature on this inquiry process until I see Vindman and Taylor's testimony. If the current leaks of both of their testimony are true I'd argue that true criminal action and a knowingly cover-up of that action beyond a shadow of a doubt occurred. ...

Then again, what if other witnesses say something else?

 

[morvoran]

It appears that the House Democrats just do not understand the concept of what "fair" means. I guess this also explains why Pres. Bill "Raper" Clinton didn't know what the definition of "is" was during his impeachment. (Democrats are not very educated) It's a shame that Trump, who has not committed any "high crimes" or any action that would warrant an "impeachment" is being treated as if he's already guilty and is being given less rights than somebody on trial for murder or in court over a traffic ticket.

The impeachment inquiry resolution put forth by House Democrats includes a “loophole” that would give the majority party, or Democrats, on the Judiciary Committee the power to reject witnesses requested by the White House, Roll Call reports.
Democrats released the text of the inquiry resolution on Tuesday, which Republicans say does little to nothing to address their concerns moving forward.

According to Roll Call, a provision in the resolution gives Democrats the ability to block key witnesses requested by the White House as the process moves to the House Judiciary Committee, led by chairman Jerry Nadler (D-NY).

Per Roll Call:

Under the House Judiciary procedures, Trump and his counsel will be invited to attend all panel proceedings and ask questions. They can also request additional evidence or witness testimony, but the “committee shall determine whether the suggested evidence is necessary or desirable.”

 

[SG854]

I finally decided to take a look at this case and guess what.
This whole thing is a sham by the Democrats. It's a Political hit job.

They reveled the whistle blowers identity and he's connected to the Democrats and to the Russia Collusion investigation. This isn't Russia 2.0. It's literally Russia Continued. 1 whistle blower guy comes out and says there is a quid pro quo. But many others says there is not, yet they believe this 1 whistle blower that they kept his identity secret for all this time.

The name is Eric Ciaramella
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/brons...t-trumps-call-to-ukrainian-president-n2555644



Old 2017 Article and the name Chalupa was mentioned.
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ukraine-sabotage-trump-backfire-233446



The top 1st article I linked talks about how Eric Ciaramella and hired an Ukrainian operative named Chalupa supported by Hillary Clinton to link the Republican campaign to the Russian Government. Literally the same people from Russia gate are in this Ukraine thing too.


Its a hit job on Trump. There are trying to get enough people to hate Trump so that he wont be voted into office for 2020.
God You know fuck this case I'm glad I avoided it for this long up until now, its the same stupid Russia Gate bullshit. I'm not even going to waste my time to debate this, its going to be the same ol' same ol' and nothing will come of it.

 

[morvoran]

This whole thing is a sham by the Democrats. It's a Political hit job.

Its a hit job on Trump. There are trying to get enough people to hate Trump so that he wont be voted into office for 2020.

Where have you been the past 3 years?

Of course, this is all a sham and a hit job against Trump. The Demonrats have been trying to impeach Trump since the day after the 2016 election. Trump could have sneezed wrong and the dems would say that is an impeachable offense. This whole impeachment fiasco is a politically motivated with no substance. Trump can't be impeached for what the dems are saying and is only their tactic to keep him from empowering the US to becoming even greater than it already is. That's why they wanted to keep the inquiry in the basement (not just because pure light burns the skin of demonrats) because they wanted to only leak out the things that made the president look bad. I'm sure these hearings in the next coming weeks will all be closed door and only the demonrats can leak stuff to the public that fits their narrative.

 

[SG854]

Where have you been the past 3 years?

Of course, this is all a sham and a hit job against Trump. The Demonrats have been trying to impeach Trump since the day after the 2016 election. Trump could have sneezed wrong and the dems would say that is an impeachable offense. This whole impeachment fiasco is a politically motivated with no substance. Trump can't be impeached for what the dems are saying and is only their tactic to keep him from empowering the US to becoming even greater than it already is. That's why they wanted to keep the inquiry in the basement (not just because pure light burns the skin of demonrats) because they wanted to only leak out the things that made the president look bad. I'm sure these hearings in the next coming weeks will all be closed door and only the demonrats can leak stuff to the public that fits their narrative.

I was here calling out that stupid Russia case. Saying that nothing was going to come out of it even many months before the Muller Report came out. There was just too much evidence against that case.

And now this is 2nd time they've done this, with the Ukraine thing, the 2nd big one. And the same people involved in the Russia case is involved in this one too. What the fuck. After this 2nd time how can you even support impeachment or even trust them. I'm starting to think they themselves don't even believe that their own policies are good enough that they have to pull off crap like this, again. Why should I have faith in them if they don't even have faith in their own policies. Win the election like the normal way, without this retarded crap.

 

[morvoran]

After this 2nd time how can you even support impeachment or even trust them. I'm starting to think they themselves don't even believe that their own policies are good enough that they have to pull off crap like this, again.

I'm sure you already know this, but liberals need leaders to tell them how to think and feel. If Pelosi and Schiff say Trump needs to be impeached, the sheeple on the left will follow them over the cliff.
In the end, it doesn't matter if Trump is impeached as he will be re-elected next year and have both a Republican majority House and Senate meaning a full 4 years of unrestricted policy passing. It just sucks as I would have liked to see lower medical costs, even higher wages, and less wasteful spending these past 3 years, but unfortunately, the liberal dems would rather only work on impeaching an innocent president than to help their constituents. Hopefully, Pelosi and Schiff will be voted out as well. (We got rid of King Elijah, but I don't feel we need to get rid of the rest that same way.)

If you pay attention to the liberals on this site, you'll see that no matter how many broken promises, lies, and corrupt acts their demonrats leaders perform, they still ask why a great President like Trump still has supporters. They would rather be lied to in order to have hope rather than to have good policies passed to make their lives better in reality.

 

[landysmods]

So you openly support murder of those who you disagree with. You openly support death of children due to starvation if their parents are too poor (weak) to feed them. But abortion is something different? What chance in your 'perfect world' does a poor child grown in a poor family who can't feed themselves have to live? Other conservatives here, do they agree with you? Bless your heart and 'sole' (soul) lol. What an immature child you are. Go trick or treat and get to bed. When you actually grow up and have children yourself, I hope you learn to empathize. Children require modeling of virtues you so obviously lack - temperance, charity, diligence, patience, kindness & humility. You don't have the mental fortitude or capacity to be here discussing politics in a serious fashion. You just are a child screaming for attention you so obviously are deprived of and at this point and time, you've convinced yourself that any attention, even negative, is better than none. I've lost any interest in responding further, it just isn't worth my time.

Agreed. Pretty evil comments ('an eye for an eye') for someone who claims to have Jesus in their heart.

 

[morvoran]

So you openly support murder of those who you disagree with. You openly support death of children due to starvation if their parents are too poor (weak) to feed them. But abortion is something different? What chance in your 'perfect world' does a poor child grown in a poor family who can't feed themselves have to live? Other conservatives here, do they agree with you?

Even though, for somebody who like to call out people for going off topic, you are going way off topic here. I will add something about impeachment in to show you how it's done.

I guess in your heart, it's better to just kill the child in the womb rather than give them a chance to live? If a parent can't feel their kids, there are a lot of ways to get food for them. They can either go to a shelter, a food drive, beg for food, etc. Maybe if the government wasn't so caught up with trying to impeach an innocent President, they could use that time and effort to prevent kids from starving to death in the US. Heck, we have a very generous charity system that includes very generous 1%'ers that could take care of all the children around the world. There is no need to use taxes to take care of everybody when we have charity. Too bad the socialist dems want rich people and corps to pay both taxes and still give charity.
Even with a semi-perfect system in place, we will still have kids dying of starvation due to mentally ill parents, just plain a-hole parents that would rather buy beer and drugs than food, or just out right neglect from uncaring liberal parents who think meat is murder and plants can give you enough nutrition.

I guess in your world, we can just keep killing these burdens on our society (underdeveloped fetuses).

 

[SG854]

The actual transcript of the conversation was released like a month ago and there is nothing about an illegal quid pro quo, Trump pressuring to investigate Biden's son or Trump withholding money. Why is there still even threads talking about impeachment. The whistle blowers identity and this transcript. The conversation is over, its been over.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...transcript-between-trump-and-ukraine-n2553621

 

[morvoran]

The actual transcript of the conversation was released like a month ago and there is nothing about a quid pro quo or Trump withholding money. Why is there still even threads talking about impeachment. The whistle blowers identity and this transcript. The conversation is over, its been over.

SHHHHHH!!! You might trigger a liberal and they'll make a blog about how you need to be impeached from this site.

Seriously though, all Republicans here in the US have been asking this for months. The demonrats know there is no "quid pro joe"... sorry, "quid pro quo", but that doesn't fit their narrative, so they have to keep questioning witnesses until they have enough people who interpret the call in a way that looks bad on Trump. This is similar to how people misinterpret the bible like @IncredulousP does.

 

[IncredulousP]

Remember the parts in the bible where Jesus sped up the process of killing the weak and letting the starving die? After all, it wasn't his fault they were going to die painfully and miserably.

13 When Jesus heard what had happened, he withdrew by boat privately to a solitary place. Hearing of this, the crowds followed him on foot from the towns. 14 When Jesus landed and saw a large crowd, he had compassion on them and healed their sick.

15 As evening approached, the disciples came to him and said, “This is a remote place, and it’s already getting late. Send the crowds away, so they can go to the villages and buy themselves some food.”

16 Jesus replied, “They do not need to go away. You give them something to eat.”

17 “We have here only five loaves of bread and two fish,” they answered.

18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.

Matthew 14:13-21

2 A man with a serious skin disease came and bowed down in front of him. The man said to Jesus, “Sir, if you’re willing, you can make me clean.”

3 Jesus reached out, touched him, and said, “I’m willing. So be clean!” Immediately, his skin disease went away, and he was clean.

Matthew 8:2-3

5 When Jesus went to Capernaum, a Roman army officer came to beg him for help. 6 The officer said, “Sir, my servant is lying at home paralyzed and in terrible pain.”

7 Jesus said to him, “I’ll come to heal him.”

8 The officer responded, “Sir, I don’t deserve to have you come into my house. But just give a command, and my servant will be healed. 9 As you know, I’m in a chain of command and have soldiers at my command. I tell one of them, ‘Go!’ and he goes, and another, ‘Come!’ and he comes. I tell my servant, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.”

10 Jesus was amazed when he heard this. He said to those who were following him, “I can guarantee this truth: I haven’t found faith as great as this in anyone in Israel. 11 I can guarantee that many will come from all over the world. They will eat with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 The citizens of that kingdom will be thrown outside into the darkness. People will cry and be in extreme pain there.

13 Jesus told the officer, “Go! What you believed will be done for you.” And at that moment the servant was healed.

Matthew 8:5-13


https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+8&version=GW

 

[billapong]

The actual transcript of the conversation was released like a month ago and there is nothing about a quid pro quo or Trump withholding money. Why is there still even threads talking about impeachment. The whistle blowers identity and this transcript. The conversation is over, its been over.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katie...transcript-between-trump-and-ukraine-n2553621

Politically correct political theatre. I can say one thing about the Democrats, they are using peoples ignorance and hatred for Trump to get them involved in the political process, which is going to benefit the Conservatives in the long run, because the smart ones will end up seeing the truth and turn Conservative and one smart Conservative is worth more than 1,000 stupid liberals.

 

[SG854]

Politically correct political theatre. I can say one thing about the Democrats, they are using peoples ignorance and hatred for Trump to get them involved in the political process, which is going to benefit the Conservatives in the long run, because the smart ones will end up seeing the truth and turn Conservative and one smart Conservative is worth more than 1,000 stupid liberals.

God Fuckin' dammit, this is Russia Gate all over again and the mental gymnastics on that one was crazy. I wasted too much time on those threads.