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QUESTION: can a wii pro controller work on the wii to play gamecube games? or is a GC controller required? also can the wii pro controller be used on the wiiU to play wii and wiiU games? also vice versa (can a wiiU pro controller be used on the wii to play wii games and GC games?)
The first question yes it works but there games that use the analog pressure L and R buttons from the GC to acces certain functions, and that is imposible to do with the classic or classic pro controller unless you use those GC controllers with the wiimote input, a lot of games from Wii U are compatible with the wii classic controller in this links you can see what games are those https://nintendo.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Games_compatible_with_the_Classic_Controller
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wii_U_games_that_use_the_Wii_U_Pro_Controller
The Wii U can be used on Nintendont in Wii but not to play wii games. Even in the Wii U you cant play wii games with the wii u pro.
 
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The Wii Classic Controller, both versions Normal and Pro can be used to play GameCube games through Nintendont. I personally wouldn't recommend it that much because the button layout of the GC is not the typical diamond-shape one that the Super Nintendo introduced and made standard, and some games specifically designed for the GC made use of the controller's layout, such as the Viewtiful Joe games.

Buuut, if you're going to use one of those to play games, you should also consider that the Normal Classic Controller has an advantage over the Pro model: The L and R triggers are pressure sensitive, just like the GC triggers, while the Pro controller ones are not.

This wouln't be an issue with most other systems, but several GC games make use of that feature, like for example many racing games to control how much you brake or drift (this causes for example that games such as Crazy Taxi play smoother on GC than on PS2 using their standard controllers).

For Wii U, well, it will work for Wii games that support it. For Wii U games, it would need to support it, but I kinda doubt there are many Wii U games that had support for Wii CC controllers besides a few first party titles... So don't count much on it.

Wii U Pro Controller could be used in some way through homebrew applications, but it can't be used in any official way, so overall its use will be pretty much relegated to emulators, and maybe Nintendont, not Wii games.

Edit: Dammit, I didn't see the answer above.
 
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QUESTION: can a wii pro controller work on the wii to play gamecube games? or is a GC controller required? also can the wii pro controller be used on the wiiU to play wii and wiiU games? also vice versa (can a wiiU pro controller be used on the wii to play wii games and GC games?)
Yes, the wii pro controller works for gc games. It should also be compatible on wii u as well. I don't know about a wii u pro controller being used to play wii games on a normal wii though.
 
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So what controller would you (Draxikor/Jesus) recommend for the wii?
and also to MaeseJesus: do you have a wiiU? and what contollers are recommended for the wiiU? ,(btw as your name is Jesus, then know that Jesus is NOT God or son of God! Jesus was a muslim, and a prophet of Islam sent by God)
 
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@zubz19 I recomend get a Wii with gc ports you can use the GC control for nintendont, emulators, virtual console games and some Wii titles, for me is use the GC everytime it could be used, seconds the Classic pro, and lastly the Wiimote and Nunchuck, i am not a big fan of the Wiimote, for the Wii U i'm gonna do the same use the Wii u pro in most cases and lastly the pad. All of this of course on games that allowed to use alternate controllers.
 
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So what controller would you (Draxikor/Jesus) recommend for the wii?

Well, it may sound dumb, but I'll recommend all of them. Wiimote + Nunchuk, Classic Controller (either or both depending on what you want to do, both are great and fit different niches with their little differences) and GameCube. Heck, if you find a Wavebird controller in good shape and decent price, grab it before it flies away!

Like, that's one of the best things about the Wii. There's so much choice about controllers, specially if we add homebrew stuff over the retail/official available games/software.

Many Wii games have either GC or CC support, some have both, and because of how different each controller is you can get very different experiences with each game. Some games are fun with just a Wiimote, sometimes they're better with a Nunchuk attached. Some games are more fun with motion controls, others are better played with a more typical controller.

And with emulators, you can mix up quite a bit. For Super Nintendo games, a Classic Controller is the most comfortable to me because of the resemblance, but for simpler systems I may grab my GC controller so I save up the Wiimote's batteries.

That said, I never played GC games with something that wasn't a GC controller; never tried, never had any interest in doing so, mostly because I already have the perfect match.

With time, if you enjoy what a Wii has to offer, you'll end up wanting at least one of each to play, or at least that's how I felt about it as time went on. I even got a Wii Balance Board for some of the games.

First party controllers should be recommended always over third party ones, specially aftermarket ones, those can be pretty damn bad. For example, I bought a Nunchuk from Aliexpress to try, and the Analog Stick was terrible, it only registered eight directions like if it was a D-Pad.

Between that and that it didn't really recognized the pressure you put to it all that well, it was pretty much useless. At least I could use it for spare pieces... (The Stick for example has the same mold as real Nunchuk/CC/GameCube controllers, so you can use it to replace worn out sticks from good controllers).

Oh, and please make yourself a favour and get some decent rechargeable batteries. Not only they're much better for our pockets in the long run, they're also a lot better for the environment.

and also to MaeseJesus: do you have a wiiU? and what contollers are recommended for the wiiU? ,(btw as your name is Jesus, then know that Jesus is NOT God or son of God! Jesus was a muslim, and a prophet of Islam sent by God)

A bit random, but yup, I know. That said, the Jesus in my name has nothing to do with religion :P.

I never bought a Wii U myself, but we had one here for a time. I looked to get one myself some years ago, but I lost the interest as the switch entered the picture. I like some of the games it has, specially Super Mario 3D World, that one's fantastic and I hope it gets ported to Switch.

For the Wii U, though, most people I've talked to agree that the Wii U Pro Controller is the preferred method to play, unless the game makes good use of the Gamepad or it's only compatible with it. Of course, different games have different controller support, so it's always handy to have a variety of controllers, kinda like Wii.
 
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Well, it may sound dumb, but I'll recommend all of them. Wiimote + Nunchuk, Classic Controller (either or both depending on what you want to do, both are great and fit different niches with their little differences) and GameCube. Heck, if you find a Wavebird controller in good shape and decent price, grab it before it flies away!

Like, that's one of the best things about the Wii. There's so much choice about controllers, specially if we add homebrew stuff over the retail/official available games/software.

Many Wii games have either GC or CC support, some have both, and because of how different each controller is you can get very different experiences with each game. Some games are fun with just a Wiimote, sometimes they're better with a Nunchuk attached. Some games are more fun with motion controls, others are better played with a more typical controller.

And with emulators, you can mix up quite a bit. For Super Nintendo games, a Classic Controller is the most comfortable to me because of the resemblance, but for simpler systems I may grab my GC controller so I save up the Wiimote's batteries.

That said, I never played GC games with something that wasn't a GC controller; never tried, never had any interest in doing so, mostly because I already have the perfect match.

With time, if you enjoy what a Wii has to offer, you'll end up wanting at least one of each to play, or at least that's how I felt about it as time went on. I even got a Wii Balance Board for some of the games.

First party controllers should be recommended always over third party ones, specially aftermarket ones, those can be pretty damn bad. For example, I bought a Nunchuk from Aliexpress to try, and the Analog Stick was terrible, it only registered eight directions like if it was a D-Pad.

Between that and that it didn't really recognized the pressure you put to it all that well, it was pretty much useless. At least I could use it for spare pieces... (The Stick for example has the same mold as real Nunchuk/CC/GameCube controllers, so you can use it to replace worn out sticks from good controllers).

Oh, and please make yourself a favour and get some decent rechargeable batteries. Not only they're much better for our pockets in the long run, they're also a lot better for the environment.



A bit random, but yup, I know. That said, the Jesus in my name has nothing to do with religion :P.

I never bought a Wii U myself, but we had one here for a time. I looked to get one myself some years ago, but I lost the interest as the switch entered the picture. I like some of the games it has, specially Super Mario 3D World, that one's fantastic and I hope it gets ported to Switch.

For the Wii U, though, most people I've talked to agree that the Wii U Pro Controller is the preferred method to play, unless the game makes good use of the Gamepad or it's only compatible with it. Of course, different games have different controller support, so it's always handy to have a variety of controllers, kinda like Wii.

thanks for the long reply, and very useful recommendation :).
 
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can a wii pro controller work on the wii to play gamecube games?
Wii pro controller = classic controller with modified shell, plugs into wiimote, is 100% compatible with classic controller
WiiU pro controller = standalone rechargeable wireless controller, just different enough to be incompatible with classic controller
Both work fine in Nintendont, the console you use it on doesn't matter

Wii software (including Nintendont) is responsible for supporting each individual controller it wants to, so you can't use WiiU Pro in most Wii software (only a few recent homebrews), again the console doesn't matter
 
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Am also asking this to clarify this important point: On the wii U, can you play fully native emulators of wii and gamecube and their games, BECAUSE i have a ps vita which i hacked recently to play psp games and they cant run at native res, they run but with blurry graphics, which means i will have to buy a psp console to play them.
I'll be sad to tell you, but if you hate blurriness, most of the original Wii models (RVL-001) output quality over component in 480p is really blurry, the last Wii motherboards used on the RVL-001 and the ones used in the RVL-101 (Family Edition) output is a bit sharper than the previous ones in the Original Wii model, but they are still blurrier than the Game Cube component cables.

--- By the way, if you feel like PSP games are blurry on the PS Vita do this, if you are using an original PSN PSP download or similar, go to the settings and disable "Bilinear Filtering". If you are using Adrenaline, in the Adrenaline menu open the official settings and disable "Bilinear Filtering", but also in Adrenaline's menu put "Smooth Graphics" to OFF; that'll give you a 2X scale of the PSP native resolution ---
 
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I'll be sad to tell you, but if you hate blurriness, most of the original Wii models (RVL-001) output quality over component in 480p is really blurry, the last Wii motherboards used on the RVL-001 and the ones used in the RVL-101 (Family Edition) output is a bit sharper than the previous ones in the Original Wii model, but they are still blurrier than the Game Cube component cables.

what do you mean, how is gamecube graphics better/sharper than wii? isnt wii a better console in terms of graphics compared to a Gamecube? i heard wii is between ps2 and ps3 graphics? and gamecube is like ps2 graphics? anyway ill have to find the original Wii model (RVL-001) so to get good backward compatibility with gamecube, the RVL-101 (Family Edition) is what ive been advised here to avoid as it lost backward compatibilty.. does the RVL-101 (Family Edition) have any other advantage over the original wii(RVL-001)?


ALSO someone said to get a 2010 wii model which is a later wii model, it has the GC ports, and is improved than original; is there a model number to this, so i can identify when i buy? oh, and another thing: are all the different wii models hackable? and has the one same process? (i read wii mini is not; but no ones interested in that one!)

btw am finding a wii, wheres the best place to get it, anyone? (online vs local stores?) ive looked ebay and theres stores like cex, they sell around £20-25-30. some are game bundles but that wont be needed.. i need for hacking and homebrew:), need to find the correct model with controllers like pro controllers, classic and GC controller, and thats hard to find..(theyll have to be bought seperately) have to be very lucky to get a bundle which has diifferent controllers (classic, GC) and is the right model also..Other thing is that the consoles are literally very NOT clean, people sholud clean/wipe before selling normal usage wearout is expected, i guess black wii consoles are an advantage then in this aspect


--- By the way, if you feel like PSP games are blurry on the PS Vita do this, if you are using an original PSN PSP download or similar, go to the settings and disable "Bilinear Filtering". If you are using Adrenaline, in the Adrenaline menu open the official settings and disable "Bilinear Filtering", but also in Adrenaline's menu put "Smooth Graphics" to OFF; that'll give you a 2X scale of the PSP native resolution ---.

am using Adrenaline, thanks for the tip, ive just done that; i dont know if i see a difference or not:unsure:, only the gta vcs with the patch seemed clear to me, (and no, i dont need glasses!) i guess ill still have to get a psp to play psp games in their original...

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I'll be sad to tell you, but if you hate blurriness,

Just a side thing because you mentioned blurriness: nintendo are really bad at making good graphics and good quality consoles, its good we have playstation, nintendo put me down them days back, especially in portable gaming when that was the ony console available in handheld for a long time (gameboy era), was expecting so much better games graphics wise even back then; but something that doesnt have cannot give: gameboys had poor graphics; small screens and always BIG bezels, and even with the ds, 3ds was the same problem (small screen, poor graphics and big bezel/empty sides) the good thing though was the touch screen and good games. anyway i know this life is not paradise/heaven where one can get what eveything he wishes for. (even with the switch they cant stop that big bezel!) if only sony took the lead in portable way back and living today, there would be so many good games made: psp, ps vita= big screen to the brim, good graphics and no bezel and still very good size) very sad we dont have sony or another comapny (xbox) out to take on the poratable side, anyways handheld market is dead, and probably theres no future to handheld gaming.
 
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ALSO someone said to get a 2010 wii model which is a later wii model, it has the GC ports, and is improved than original; is there a model number to this, so i can identify when i buy? oh, and another thing
You can't see the motherboard model from the outside (but it's under the clock battery which is a 1 screw disassembly away, which is reasonable to ask the seller for), however all non-white Wiis came from the factory* with the new revision board, so look for a black/red/blue model with power/reset/wii/eject written along the long side of the buttons!

* of course, despite being unlikely, who known what the previous owner(s) did to it...

what do you mean, how is gamecube graphics better/sharper than wii?
The GC doesn't have component output - its component cables are expensive because of (scalpers and) having an active converter chip inside to generate YPbPr (or RGB, after a mod) out of the semiproprietary "digital av out", so the quality is only "defined by the cable" and not just in the meaning of that phrase used in analog video

The Wii has a builtin video DAC (as the GC does for the other analog video options, but this time it also does YPbPr), all models are capable of "high quality" component video output however you must keep in mind that each individual Wii software is responsible for configuring it and Nintendo's SDK has always used imperfect settings for it, resulting in this reduced quality (YMMV - I didn't find it objectionable); the newer Wii revisions use a video encoder chip that recognizes those imperfect settings and disregards them in favor of sharper-looking built-in ones

are all the different wii models hackable? and has the one same process? (i read wii mini is not
All consoles with Wii in the name are moddable as of last sunday, when the first wii mini exploit was released ;)
The wii mini exploit is currently exclusive to it (even when it'll be ported to the regular models people will likely still use the already existing str2hax (over the internet) or wilbrand/letterbomb (via SD) since they're simpler)
 
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To see which revision you're buying, you have several ways of doing it.

One, and the most accurate one would be to grab a small screw driver and remove the battery cover (this battery is used to keep the date and hour going if it the console is unplugged). Behind where the battery is situated, Nintendo put the revision number, so it's pretty simple to do. When I cleaned mine the first time I was able to check it out and it was a RVL-60. The letters are pretty big, so it's not easy to miss.

Another one would be to use the Serial Codes under the console. While there's quite some research for American Wiis, I didn't find much on European ones, which is the one you'll probably want to find being on the UK. Because I'm Spanish, though, I can help a bit and share my Wii's Serial code, and as I said earlier in this thread, it was bought at the end of 2010 and it's one of the most updated & fully featured Wiis, so it may help a bit to situate yourself.

The code is LEH701249494 (the last 4 is encased in a square).

Any revision of the original Wii can be hacked the same way, with only one difference being that the very early ones can have BootMii as Boot2 (meaning it initiates before than the system menu of the Wii), and the later revisions can only have it as an IOS (which is a different thing). You can still install Priiloader on newer systems which can help you out a lot, so it's not much of a problem, and you shouldn't even be in danger of bricks unless you do dumb stuff yourself without reading first, I've been using my Wii for a decade and never had a problem of this type.

I'll honestly not comment much on the latter part of your post. If power had always been the be-all-end-all element, the industry of today would be even more fucked up and sad that it already is; and that's a disturbing thought.

Also, picture quality it's not the same as graphical capacity, and more often than not, the first one is caused by either bad cables or a display that's not up to the task or designed for the source (in this case, consoles), specially after the jump to LCD TVs, those were not being designed for video games (well, they aren't great for anything, really, they're just cheap to produce and people just put up with them), and they still are lacking so, so much.

There's a reason why more and more retro enthusiasts go purely with CRTs or put their trust on external scalers; TVs do a piss poor job; and even with a scaler modern TVs may have lag, or terrible motion blur, or ghosting, etc.

It's pretty surprising to me that we can literally produce unofficial 500$ old systems but we still haven't done anything to create gaming-designed TVs which have been the bane of our existence for decades.
 

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Yeah wouldn't make any sense to buy a wii unless you want to only spend like $30 for it. On the hacking/homebrew side the Wii is more flashy compared to the Wii U
since you are able to customize the Wii menu and have tons of compatible homebrew apps which are old and probably tedious to find today.
 
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Yeah wouldn't make any sense to buy a Wii U unless you want to vastly overpay for the experience of playing the 3 or 4 games that haven't been ported elsewhere yet. The ill-fated Wii U tablet makes the Wii U system expensive on the used market since they are prone to damage and systems are often purchased by existing Wii U owners just to replace their own dead tablet. Since the Wii U cannot play the Wii library at any better resolution than a Wii (no, it does NOT have a better picture than a Wii with component cables and the 480p fix!) and has no Gamecube ports, it's really pointless for the vast majority of people to buy one. And since there are still homebrew apps being updated (USB Loader GX as recently as a couple of months ago) that are easy to find and use, and since there are still games being made for the Wii 13 years on (Just Dance 2020) and thus the Wii is not truly dead, unlike the Wii U (or the Xbox 360 or PS3, for that matter), the Wii is a just a bloody obvious choice over the Wii U not even accounting for the bloody obvious difference in price and availability of replacement parts.

(btw as your name is Jesus, then know that Jesus is NOT God or son of God! Jesus was a muslim, and a prophet of Islam sent by God)
Uh, no. Jesus was a dark-skinned African who rejected Islam as any sane dude would and was not sent by any mythical deity since that would be impossible. There are exactly zero real prophets (or gods) in the history of the universe. I suggest you stick to the Zelda universe for your make-believe world in the future.
 
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Gamecube controller adapters exists my friend even for the Switch/PC


ohh really !!!!!! llol ------ I was talking native --- also said depends on what op wants----- next thin your going to tell me the XB1x can play og XB and 360 games LOL

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if OP has tons of GC games and controllers , and GC broke a older Wii is perfect , but never really said so ....
 
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but someone said to me: if you are get bored with your wii, buying a wii u is not a solution. but if you never play wii and wii u games, wii u is better for you. because a new wii is very expensive now. about $600.
and wii u is cheaper then wii now.
 

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but someone said to me: if you are get bored with your wii, buying a wii u is not a solution. but if you never play wii and wii u games, wii u is better for you. because a new wii is very expensive now. about $600.
and wii u is cheaper then wii now.
Why would you buy a new wii now? I recently bought a used one for 30 Euros.
 

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