Hardware Please help me build a new PC

[ThoD]

Especially since you plan on playing at 720p, the game will be more cpu dependent as the RX580 can manage 1080p+.

What are you even talking about? Resolution doesn't affect how CPU dependent a game is, it affects GPU, unless you are running a REALLY old game from before tasks were split between the two (eg: games before 2006). In MH:World specifically, CPU usage is kinda high regardless of what you do because the game tracks EVERYTHING in the area at once with all the individual AIs, BUT almost no settings change the usage and the only setting that does have an impact on the CPU is actually better never turned on (literally no visible differences between on and off but HUGE performance hit, making it useless). Taking into account the tests I've done on the game (posted link to that thread in a previous post here), as long as the CPU is at least ~20% better than an FX6350 running at stock speeds and it's a Ryzen (which actually has proper cores rather than the FX CPUs which had cores but couldn't utilize them), you can run the game even on max settings, meaning anything above a Ryzen 1700 is more than enough for max settings provided you have a good CPU.

@GameSystem If you don't care about futureproofing too much, go for 2700 (mainly suggest the 700 series because it's the best for overclock if you need more performance down the line) or similar, that way you will have some degree of futureproofing without driving the price up too high.

Also, about the built you posted, I highly suggest you DON'T go with 1050Ti, it's just an overrated card. MH:World is a game VERY heavy on particle affects, so unless you want the game to drop to 10FPS every time a Teostra does a Supernova and locking your input so you can't dodge it, then go ahead with the 1050Ti, otherwise go for the RX580 Finally, check what I said right above about the CPU, base game can run on R5 1500X, BUT Iceborne expansion will be even more CPU demanding (because of Hoarfrost Reach being a ridiculously massive map so even more things the CPU has to keep track of), so go for 2700 if you can get it cheap, otherwise 2600.

 

[GameSystem]

If I'm avoiding the 1050 ti, this is what Logical Interface has for other builds on the main page chart.

Entry

The Entry tier can play all modern games on low settings, and easily max out older titles. Suitable for 900p gaming. Graphical capabilities similar to Xbox One.

AMD Radeon RX 560
$110

AMD Ryzen 5 1600 (Ryzen/Summit Ridge)
$117
Stock Fan
$0

GIGABYTE B450M DS3H
$73
4GB DDR4

$20
1TB
$36


No SSD
$0


Corsair CX450M (CP-9020101)
$55
Rosewill Challenger
$45
Total Price $456

I don't quite agree with no SSD, so I'll change that part, and I already have the power supply, so I guess subtract an additional $55 from this build.

For the other build they have this:

Fair

The Fair tier features a good gaming CPU and mid-tier GPUs for a decent gaming experience on modern titles. Play most modern titles in 1080p, but with reduced settings.


AMD Radeon RX 570
$140


AMD Ryzen 5 2600 (Ryzen+/Pinnacle Ridge)
$140


Deepcool Gammaxx 400
$23


MSI B450-A Pro
$90

8GB DDR4
$37


1TB HDD
$36


Crucial BX500 240GB (CT240BX500SSD1)
240 GB
$29


Corsair CX450M (CP-9020101)
$55

Corsair 200R
$63
Total price $613

Honestly these don't seem too much different than what I picked out already.

@ThoD do you mean the Ryzen 7 2700 series? There doesn't appear to be a R5 version of 2700. That goes for $185, so I would save $14.

 

[raystriker]

What are you even talking about? Resolution doesn't affect how CPU dependent a game is,

What are you talking about? Ever tested CS:GO at 1080p with a GTX1080Ti or more powerful card? Resolution affects both cpu and gpu. See any of the thousands of benchmark videos that show the how big of a bottleneck cpus can be, when the gpu is much more capable than the graphics requirements of the game including *ahem* resolution*ahem*.
Great example of cpu bottlenecking-> cs:go at 1080p with GTX1080Ti or RTX2080Ti, if you look at the benchmarks/testing done, Intel usually outperforms AMD by a bunch.

While I'm not familiar with the game engine/rendering particularities of Monster World, you bet your ass at 720p, an RX580 or better will be bottlenecked by the cpu; most games would be.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Updated list a bit a second time

This is my first time building a PC, so bear with me.
My friend wants me to play Monster Hunter World with him on PC once the Iceborne expansion releases in January 2020.
My only goal is to play it at 720p @ 60FPS (480p is also acceptable, but I won't budge on the 60 FPS). All other settings can be minimum. I looked at Capcom's website for recommended builds, then went to PCPartPicker and just picked cheap and 5 star rated stuff centering around the CPU and GPU.

This is what I scrounged together.

CPU
AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor $198.90

CPU Cooler
None

Motherboard
MSI B450M GAMING PLUS Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard $94.89 -$10.00 rebate $84.89

Memory
Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory $74.99

Storage
Kingston A400 240 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive $31.99

Video Card
Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card $184.99 -$15.00 rebate $169.99

Case
Thermaltake Versa H15 MicroATX Mid Tower Case $44.99 -$15.00 rebate $29.99

Power Supply
Already purchased EVGA 750 GQ, 80+ GOLD 750W, Semi Modular

OS
Unactivated Windows 10

Monitor
I already have an AOC C24G1 I bought on a whim for some reason.

Estimated Wattage: 374W

Base Total: $630.75
Promo Discounts: -$15.00
Mail-in Rebates: -$25.00
Total: $590.75

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YZD2q4

Money is technically no object for me, but I'd prefer not to piss money away when I'm basically buying this PC for one game, so I'd like to keep it as budget as possible, but still able to play future games at minimum settings if I ever felt like it.

Since I will not be playing until January 2020 or later on when the expansion goes on sale or something, is there anything I should watch out for? Are there certain parts releasing in that time-frame that makes the current build obsolete or a waste of money if I buy something too soon? How aggressive should I be with the settings on email alerts for price drops and rebates? Should I aim for the historic minimum for everything? Should I buy everything at once or keep it spread out over a few months? Any help is appreciated.

I would say aim for something that can do 1080p@60, a GPU that weak is not gonna be able to run new games that come out. I don't suggest anything less than a GTX 1060 6GB. The 3GB version belongs in the trash. GTX 10xx cards are pretty cheap used.
If you are aiming to keep the budget as low as possible just get the more expensive parts used (at least GPU and CPU) so you get more bang for your buck. And keep in mind that every Ryzen CPU is overclockable, by cheaping out on the mobo you will have less options as far as that is concerned.

But if you really have no use for a PC other than one game I would reconsider how much you really need to play that game. I would also consider all the other things that a decently powerful PC can be used for, which to me makes it worth spending a bit more just to have a responsive experience no matter what I'm doing.

 

[GameSystem]

I looked up the GTX 1060 6gb and it's like $300 used. That's almost double the price of the Sapphire GPU I have selected. From what I can gather, my build probably falls into the Fair to Moderate category, and should still be able to play newer games at lower settings. My monitor only goes to 1080p anyway, and I have no problem with 480p when it's the only thing available. Is there a point where parts really drop down in price? I've heard mixed things about Black Friday, where it says it's on sale, but it's actually not, and flash sales throughout the year can get you better deals. Since I have until January 2020, at what price point should I immediately buy something like the GTX 1060? The PSU I bought yesterday for some reason was 49% off. Is that normal for computer parts? Can I expect to see the GTX at $160ish during some random event? I'm all for buying good parts if they are a good deal, but it doesn't seem to be one currently.

 

[PityOnU]

I looked up the GTX 1060 6gb and it's like $300 used. That's almost double the price of the Sapphire GPU I have selected. From what I can gather, my build probably falls into the Fair to Moderate category, and should still be able to play newer games at lower settings. My monitor only goes to 1080p anyway, and I have no problem with 480p when it's the only thing available. Is there a point where parts really drop down in price? I've heard mixed things about Black Friday, where it says it's on sale, but it's actually not, and flash sales throughout the year can get you better deals. Since I have until January 2020, at what price point should I immediately buy something like the GTX 1060? The PSU I bought yesterday for some reason was 49% off. Is that normal for computer parts? Can I expect to see the GTX at $160ish during some random event? I'm all for buying good parts if they are a good deal, but it doesn't seem to be one currently.

Black Friday tends to have a lot of deals all at once, but if you watch specific parts throughout the year, you will generally get just as good, if not better pricing.

A good site for this is: https://slickdeals.net/

You can create an account there and configure notifications for when a specific item you want goes on sale. You can also look through sale histories of specific parts.

 

[ThoD]

If I'm avoiding the 1050 ti, this is what Logical Interface has for other builds on the main page chart.


I don't quite agree with no SSD, so I'll change that part, and I already have the power supply, so I guess subtract an additional $55 from this build.

For the other build they have this:




Honestly these don't seem too much different than what I picked out already.

@ThoD do you mean the Ryzen 7 2700 series? There doesn't appear to be a R5 version of 2700. That goes for $185, so I would save $14.

Yes, I mean the Ryzen 7, thought that was obvious, since 7=700+800 series, 5=500+600 series, etc.

What are you talking about? Ever tested CS:GO at 1080p with a GTX1080Ti or more powerful card? Resolution affects both cpu and gpu. See any of the thousands of benchmark videos that show the how big of a bottleneck cpus can be, when the gpu is much more capable than the graphics requirements of the game including *ahem* resolution*ahem*.
Great example of cpu bottlenecking-> cs:go at 1080p with GTX1080Ti or RTX2080Ti, if you look at the benchmarks/testing done, Intel usually outperforms AMD by a bunch.

While I'm not familiar with the game engine/rendering particularities of Monster World, you bet your ass at 720p, an RX580 or better will be bottlenecked by the cpu; most games would be.

CS:GO, as in a game made with a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD ENGINE and badly put together! Valve games are never optimized because Source is actually pretty crap as an engine and limited, but in return makes it faster and more streamlined to make games. MH:World uses MT Framework which is constantly being worked on and improved combined with Umbra's programs and is VERY well optimized, so you can't even begin comparing the two. Just because ONE game is CPU heavy doesn't mean they all are, pretty much the only engine still used that doesn't split CPU and GPU tasks properly causing bottlenecks is Source. Rather than seeing benchmarks, I run my own and I have NEVER run into those issues if I set up everything properly even in systems with dual core CPUs but with cards like 1080Ti, so yeah... It depends on the optimization of the game itself and what engine it's made with, even a monkey can understand that, there's no blanket "will work/won't work" result you know.

I would say aim for something that can do 1080p@60, a GPU that weak is not gonna be able to run new games that come out. I don't suggest anything less than a GTX 1060 6GB. The 3GB version belongs in the trash. GTX 10xx cards are pretty cheap used.
If you are aiming to keep the budget as low as possible just get the more expensive parts used (at least GPU and CPU) so you get more bang for your buck. And keep in mind that every Ryzen CPU is overclockable, by cheaping out on the mobo you will have less options as far as that is concerned.

But if you really have no use for a PC other than one game I would reconsider how much you really need to play that game. I would also consider all the other things that a decently powerful PC can be used for, which to me makes it worth spending a bit more just to have a responsive experience no matter what I'm doing.

Sure they are cheap used, but unless you know what they've been through, you are essentially paying for a component that might fail shortly after all while not having any warranty, so used parts aren't that good, even from "reliable" sellers. For example if a part was once overclocked, it's lifespan has been cut considerably or the silicon might have gone bad, among hundreds other issues.

I looked up the GTX 1060 6gb and it's like $300 used. That's almost double the price of the Sapphire GPU I have selected. From what I can gather, my build probably falls into the Fair to Moderate category, and should still be able to play newer games at lower settings. My monitor only goes to 1080p anyway, and I have no problem with 480p when it's the only thing available. Is there a point where parts really drop down in price? I've heard mixed things about Black Friday, where it says it's on sale, but it's actually not, and flash sales throughout the year can get you better deals. Since I have until January 2020, at what price point should I immediately buy something like the GTX 1060? The PSU I bought yesterday for some reason was 49% off. Is that normal for computer parts? Can I expect to see the GTX at $160ish during some random event? I'm all for buying good parts if they are a good deal, but it doesn't seem to be one currently.

RX580 is more than enough, unless you plan to use it for a LOT more than just MH:World, then stick to that rather than paying a huge price for a card like the 1060. Forget "lower settings", if you go with the build you posted earlier, then even medium to high is more than possible on new games coming out, only problem being that you might get slightly temps (easily countered by changing the CPU cooler when you start experiencing such issues 2-3 years down the line if ever). And like others have said, wait for Black Friday/discounts in general to get the stuff for cheap. You don't have to buy all parts at once after all, if you find some on discount during flash sales, get them, then get the rest at a later date.

 

[GameSystem]

Should I buy the Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE for $169.99 right this second while the promo is going on? I checked the price and it seems to be at the lowest ever. Or is this one of those parts where it will continue to drop over time due to being a GPU and other stuff making it obsolete? Which stuff should I buy during a random flash sale, which should I buy on Black Friday, and which should I buy whenever because they don't tend to have significant price drops? It's just a general question, as you obviously can't read the future.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Yes, I mean the Ryzen 7, thought that was obvious, since 7=700+800 series, 5=500+600 series, etc.



CS:GO, as in a game made with a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD ENGINE and badly put together! Valve games are never optimized because Source is actually pretty crap as an engine and limited, but in return makes it faster and more streamlined to make games. MH:World uses MT Framework which is constantly being worked on and improved combined with Umbra's programs and is VERY well optimized, so you can't even begin comparing the two. Just because ONE game is CPU heavy doesn't mean they all are, pretty much the only engine still used that doesn't split CPU and GPU tasks properly causing bottlenecks is Source. Rather than seeing benchmarks, I run my own and I have NEVER run into those issues if I set up everything properly even in systems with dual core CPUs but with cards like 1080Ti, so yeah... It depends on the optimization of the game itself and what engine it's made with, even a monkey can understand that, there's no blanket "will work/won't work" result you know.


Sure they are cheap used, but unless you know what they've been through, you are essentially paying for a component that might fail shortly after all while not having any warranty, so used parts aren't that good, even from "reliable" sellers. For example if a part was once overclocked, it's lifespan has been cut considerably or the silicon might have gone bad, among hundreds other issues.


RX580 is more than enough, unless you plan to use it for a LOT more than just MH:World, then stick to that rather than paying a huge price for a card like the 1060. Forget "lower settings", if you go with the build you posted earlier, then even medium to high is more than possible on new games coming out, only problem being that you might get slightly temps (easily countered by changing the CPU cooler when you start experiencing such issues 2-3 years down the line if ever). And like others have said, wait for Black Friday/discounts in general to get the stuff for cheap. You don't have to buy all parts at once after all, if you find some on discount during flash sales, get them, then get the rest at a later date.

None of the used 10xx cards are likely to fail any time soon. GPUs typically outlast their useful lifetime anyway and the 10xx series are still fairly recent. You can find tons of old GPUs for dirt cheap that still work just fine (Radeon HD6xxx series etc.) besides the odd driver/OS related issues when you try to use an ancient card on an OS it wasn't designed for or play a game that relies on newer features or is optimized for newer cards and has bugs/crashes on older ones. In fact you could even put together a decent budget build with such a card if you've only got a couple hundred bucks to spend and low expectations.

Sure, there's a chance that the GPU has been pushed really hard shortening its life span, but not to such a degree that it will fail within months.
If you overclock too much, the system will crash within seconds/minutes or the GPU will throttle itself, it will never get hot enough to do any serious damage, and no one runs their system in a state where their overclock is causing constant crashes as it wouldn't be a usable system.

 

[PityOnU]

Should I buy the Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE for $169.99 right this second while the promo is going on? I checked the price and it seems to be at the lowest ever. Or is this one of those parts where it will continue to drop over time due to being a GPU and other stuff making it obsolete? Which stuff should I buy during a random flash sale, which should I buy on Black Friday, and which should I buy whenever because they don't tend to have significant price drops? It's just a general question, as you obviously can't read the future.

You answered your own question here. You can never be sure because you can't read the future. You know the price history, the performance of the card, and what you are willing to pay for it. If all of this seems reasonable, and you want it right now, then buy it.

If you are fine waiting for some time, though, prices for specific PC components will always drop. You usually don't have to wait longer than a year. Even if that specific component doesn't become cheaper, more powerful ones will be released for the same price. But that is literally always true in this hobby, so don't focus on that too much.

 

[GameSystem]

I'm only asking because in my specific case, I can wait basically 5 months, but I absolutely need to have something on time or I'll be breaking a promise.

 

[subcon959]

@GameSystem see here https://appuals.com/monster-hunter-world-amd-ryzen-2400g/

That's at 900p too so should be even better at 720p. I know it's not exactly indicative of the how well the one next year will run but it should give you an idea at least.

One of the things you'll notice in the PC community is people always want you to get components based on upgradability, so when a niche case like yours comes a long (where you genuinely don't care about high resolution or every last fps) all the suggestions end up being overkill.

 

[PityOnU]

I'm only asking because in my specific case, I can wait basically 5 months, but I absolutely need to have something on time or I'll be breaking a promise.

Well, I mean for the RX 580, if you look on Slickdeals, you will see there is actually a sale on today for an MSI (better brand) RX 580 for $150... With 3 months of game pass for PC...

But in general, for "bang for your buck" components, they're already really competitively priced. Even a 20% sale ON TOP OF that sale price above would only be $25 in your pocket.

Your call on all this stuff, though.

 

[GameSystem]

I had MSI something originally, but then

Anyways, about the parts you've picked, not a bad combination, but I suggest going for an AMD Sapphire version of the GPU rather than the MSI version. That way you can use the same driver program to configure both the CPU and GPU, making things simpler, plus in my experience AMD Sapphire GPUs work better than versions from other manufacturers on AMD systems.

 

[PityOnU]

I had MSI something originally, but then

I will not comment any more re:brands and specific parts because it just comes down to personal preference.

W.r.t. GPU's - they are all the exact same chip at the end of the day, and will use the same drivers. The real difference just comes down to components on the board and the heat dissipation system, which basically translate to how much you can overclock it. All the cards should run within spec straight from the factory.

 

[GameSystem]

I think I'll stick with the Sapphire in this case. That same deal is also on r/buildapcsales, and 3 people in the comments said they liked the Pulse better. That combined with Thod's comment makes me feel like playing it safe, even though I'll be paying $20 more. I'll hold off for now, since I think the price will go lower in the next few months, since they said that the MSI version routinely goes on sale for $150, and the specs aren't that different from the Sapphire version.

 

[Duo8]

Wow this thread got a lot more active last night.
Have you tried asking other communities btw?

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Also I saw you changed the CPU to a 2700. A 2700 is just a waste of money over 2600 for gaming, if you're spending more, get the 3600 instead.

 

[GameSystem]

I haven't asked other communities because GBAtemp is the only place I'm an active member of. I lurk everywhere else. After much deliberation, I think I should go with the 2600X. They say it's better value than the regular 2600 and it's only like $10 more. I'll still have the 2700 on price alert for when it goes to $150 or below. I'll update the first post again.

I also think that the current build everyone helped me pick out is pretty solid. I don't think I need to make any more changes (Apart from the SSD), and now I guess I can just wait until Black Friday or something to mass buy everything. I want to thank everyone for their support in this. I learned a lot here.

 

[subcon959]

@GameSystem with the parts you've selected you should easily be abe to game at 1080p60. I only mentioned the APU because you said you were happy at 720p, but I think you'll definitely enjoy 1080p a lot more.

Regarding the brand, Sapphire is generally considered the most desirable in the enthusiast community due to the overclocking potential. They make great cards like the Toxic editions. These days though, you would be hard pressed to notice much difference between any of the major brands if you intend to play at stock clocks.

 

[ThoD]

@GameSystem with the parts you've selected you should easily be abe to game at 1080p60. I only mentioned the APU because you said you were happy at 720p, but I think you'll definitely enjoy 1080p a lot more.

Regarding the brand, Sapphire is generally considered the most desirable in the enthusiast community due to the overclocking potential. They make great cards like the Toxic editions. These days though, you would be hard pressed to notice much difference between any of the major brands if you intend to play at stock clocks.

While what you said is true about the hardly any difference, main reason people suggest AMD Sapphire cards isn't just the overclock potential, it's that if you are also using an AMD CPU (and most people are nowadays with the Ryzen and Threadripper models), you can use the same drivers program to configure both at once more efficiently, as AMD basically has a driver suite, greatly simplifying some stuff if you need to minutely configure something, although to be honest there's not really THAT big a difference, just faster to have both in one is all I'm saying.