On the "should (some) form of hate speech be outlawed" topic.
We actually have such laws in germany - where using Nazi slogans, symbols, or historical revisionism of what happened in those days, is actually outlawed.
And I have to admit, I've never been able to make myself think, that that was a bad thing. (It has two functions basically, first making the lives of the victims of that regime, in country, at least somewhat bareable - second, to have a cut towards the pull those symbols and speeches had in the past, but it also allowed for society to not speak about those things at all (which lead to a minor "revolution" in the sixties, where the younger generation confronted their parents/the power elites)).
But this is held up as an exception to the rule. Its made special, by no one even attempting to get other stuff placed near that mode of censorship. So it hasnt become a slippery slope - that ended in a totalitarian vision of society.
Would I trust todays SJWs to do something along those lines - benefiting society at large, by REALLY - and I mean REALLY making sure, that no one talkes about certain topics? Hell no.
But I have to admit, that it can work in principal. Even in democratic societies. Its just that I dont wish that scenario onto anyone. (As indeed "thought crime", is a related concept.)
We actually have such laws in germany - where using Nazi slogans, symbols, or historical revisionism of what happened in those days, is actually outlawed.
And I have to admit, I've never been able to make myself think, that that was a bad thing. (It has two functions basically, first making the lives of the victims of that regime, in country, at least somewhat bareable - second, to have a cut towards the pull those symbols and speeches had in the past, but it also allowed for society to not speak about those things at all (which lead to a minor "revolution" in the sixties, where the younger generation confronted their parents/the power elites)).
But this is held up as an exception to the rule. Its made special, by no one even attempting to get other stuff placed near that mode of censorship. So it hasnt become a slippery slope - that ended in a totalitarian vision of society.
Would I trust todays SJWs to do something along those lines - benefiting society at large, by REALLY - and I mean REALLY making sure, that no one talkes about certain topics? Hell no.
But I have to admit, that it can work in principal. Even in democratic societies. Its just that I dont wish that scenario onto anyone. (As indeed "thought crime", is a related concept.)
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