See? We can joke about this and still be friendly! That's what being a man is! Haha!Nah... We let you win. It`s too lonely when you are the only winner
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They helped us win our independence but that doesn't mean they were the ONLY reason we have it. I would stand by with anybody who would want their independence from a corrupt government!
You support a group that vandalizes, smashes storefronts, promotes violence against people who disagree with them, stops innocent people from getting to work by stopping traffic, etc? You're entitled to your own opinion. I support groups that denounce that type of behavior.
Looking into it, I've found very few actual acts of vandalism and even then I am not going to hold everyone accountable for those acts. The traffic incident wasn't Antifa, that was BLM. Equally they aren't attacking people who disagree with them, they are going after Nazis and people who support Nazis. Which yes, I am perfectly fine with attacking Nazis. Personally I think the only good nazi is a dead one.
There is plenty of evidence of antifas acts of vandalism, attacking people who disagree with them, and stopping traffic that can be found of Youtube and elsewhere. They think anybody who disagrees with them is a "NAZI". While I don't agree with the whole Nazi ideology, I do agree that European people should be able to defend themselves, their families, and their countries from hostile groups such as Antifa and their own governments from wrongdoing.
I am not saying they aren't doing extreme things, but that doesn't stop me supporting them.
Expect Neo-Nazis literally support killing innocent people for simply being alive. They support a group that has already committed genocide and plan on continuing that genocide. Saying that Nazis have done nothing wrong isn't just false, it's flat out stupid.
I think that says a lot about you.
It says I am against Neo-Nazis, I feel like that shouldn't be a controversial statement nor should I have to defend that mindset.
It's not controversial but that doesn't mean you have to support Antifa just because you are against Neo-Nazis and so are they. You're allowed to do anything you want though.
I have my own reasons beyond just one reason alone. That being said, you are right that I am allowed to support who I want and equally as are you.
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I always think its best to do research about both parties and draw your conclusions from there. The main difference is that antifa promotes violence, vandalism, destroying property of the opposition, stopping traffic so people can't go to work, etc. The alt-right denounces that type of behavior and wants their countries to remain European but some tend to have a Neo-Nazi ideology.Hmm...I don't know antifa (maybe they're called different in these parts?
"How do you feel about <blank>? Before you answer: here's a video of some people that identify as <blank> misbehaving!!!"
Yeah...no, sorry. That's neither a discussion nor a debate but just starting a 2-minute hate session. Your video doesn't even say anything on why they block the road in the first place!
Note: I've wikipedia'ed things a bit, but couldn't tell more than "they're politically extreme left". If so, that puts me in nearly the same opinion as the extreme right. Both of 'em are "against" things. In itself, I can attest to that (I'm against a lot of things as well), but without proper answers an independent someone can believe in (and I do consider myself such someone) then it's not my cup of tea. The difference is perhaps how I feel for them. Extreme right (or alt right) often angers me because they twist or downright invent "facts" to follow their agenda, even though history has already shown that these ideas are counterproductive. For extreme left, I mostly feel pity. I want to believe their idea of world view, but I can't. They're at best a naive bunch of dreamers who lost touch with reality. And at worst...well...again: I don't know antifa. But I would estimate that video is the potential of it at worst: street protest where the message they want to bring to the world is overshadowed by acts of lone nuts who have no clue about anything (the video almost painfully shows how the woman tries to send the drivers away from the protesters while that white "black man" just enrages the crowd).
Not really. Neo-nazism is such an extremely fringe ideology, and the majority don't actually have the balls to follow through with their beliefs. Don't forget that the modern incarnation is based on fear. They're scared that somehow their race is in danger. There is also very little chance that such a movement would ever gain any political traction within our lifetimes, and if it did, I would condone violence against whatever government adopts Nazi ideals. I don't condone violence against people who are basically just saying racist shit (and until they gain an actual politcal foothold, that's all they'll be). There is also a huge difference between actual Neo Nazis and your racist redneck neighbor. I'm sure if you searched, you can find a number of examples where neo nazis have commited some violent act (in which case violence in self-defense is justified), but that is the case with every group with extreme beliefs, antifa included. It's also a minority among those groups.
The problem i have with most people especially people in America is that they call everything right winged well extreme right wich it isn't. Neo nazi's and stuff like that is extreme right but in no way right wing politics. The problem is they classify everything as extreme right while not doing the same with lefties. Like i previous said, extreme right and extreme left is bad but normal right wing politics and left wing politics ain't. It's just stupid that they call everything extreme right these days.
The European race is the minority of the world and Europeans are said to be a minority in their own countries by 2040. They're not wrong on that and I feel that is something to be worried about.
I do agree with a lot of what you are saying and I am not saying what you are saying is wrong. But the notion that they haven't done anything "wrong" isn't inherently correct. People who actually follow the actual neo-NAZI movement still follow a movement that is based on the NAZI movement and want to continue what the Nazis started. Plus there actually has been attempts to gain a potential footing with more recent cases like Patrick Little and Arthur Jones. Even though they lost, they still got rather far and that's something worth being concerned about. These are the kinds of issues that actually concern me because you are right when you say that they shouldn't gain political traction, but they have. Saying something like, "they've done nothing wrong," about a group of people who deny the Holocaust, want to strip rights away, and so much more comes off as a bit of dog whistle to say that these ideas are acceptable.
