Hacking Discussion Team Xecuter Attempted to Bribe RetroNX Developers

[JoeBloggs777]

because there's constantly an influx of new users (particularly when something like TX happens that brings tons of new users who aren't in the loop, and they just think TX is tits cuz 'Muh Piracy'). It's on us as a community to make it crystal clear why it's a problem and educate peeps, (even if they don't give a fuck now, because eventually they will if they stick around).

Where would you like us to mail your trophy?

Would you call someone who goes far back as the Sinclair Z80 a new user , I'm here for piracy and that's what TX provides. I don't know what you mean by 'community' unless you mean being a pirate.

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Enjoy your 3x slower in-game load speeds, having to mount/unmount games instead of directly launching them from the home screen, taking up more space on the SD card from padding and system updates, not being able to install DLCs and updates, not being able to use your system memory for storing a game, and spending $25 for piracy.

your'e so negative that if you was in a dark room you'd develop

my sx os is working perfectly, why all the hate, you should move on and not let it get to you

 

[Huntereb]

The DLC and updates work fine as far as I know?

Yeah, that's mainly picking at people fearful of bans. Refute my other points.

your'e so negative that if you was in a dark room you'd develop

I do not understand.

my sx os is working perfectly, why all the hate, you should move on and not let it get to you

I have a strong support for the free software movement, the things SX OS have done against it have swayed my views substantially. I will continue to recommend free software alternatives over it as long as it is still existing and being advertised.

 

[smf]

You have no idea what you are talking about. These guys are professional reverse engineers. There was clearly brick code in there and still is but no code paths to it anymore so it's effectively dead code (practically impossible to trigger now).

You have no idea what you're talking about.

1. I didn't say the brick didn't exist.

2. Mike said that he called the function with random data on the stack.

I have been reverse engineering stuff for the last 30 years, you start messing with registers then code will act differently to what the original developers intended.

The original statement was misleading and sensationalist. It completely destroys any semblance of impartiality and makes you look like trolls.

The irony is that gbatemp has always been a hub for piracy, but now people are trying to project faux morals. It's hilarious.

Why? I do it because I give a flying fuck about the homebrew scene. I've been in the better part of the 3DS scene, I've seen the Switch scene kinda come up from a distance, and seeing bad actors like Team Xecuter try and force their way in without giving a flying fuck about anyone else just pisses me off.

What are you going on about? TX haven't forced their way in. Half the TX hating trolls seem to think TX are destroying the scene by taking other peoples source, the other TX hating trolls think you can do everything with free tools anyway. It can't be both.

You have no right to tell people whether they should use SX OS or not, it seems more about hating the idea they are making money or that they even exist. If that is true, then just say that. Stop making stuff up to try to make other people hate them.

We don't need SJW here.

 

[FAST6191]

The irony is that gbatemp has always been a hub for piracy, but now people are trying to project faux morals. It's hilarious.

While I am mostly still viewing the TX is bad people set (or at least those not caught up in a whirlwind) as those that read http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm and missed the point but are trying anyway I do have to pull the quoted thing apart a bit. The general mindset seems to be something like "those game devs are big enough and ugly, and also not here enough, to look after themselves. The people making homebrew are here though so they are part of the tribe and get to be defended accordingly.".

 

[the_randomizer]

You have no idea what you're talking about.

1. I didn't say the brick didn't exist.

2. Mike said that he called the function with random data on the stack.

I have been reverse engineering stuff for the last 30 years, you start messing with registers then code will act differently to what the original developers intended.

The original statement was misleading and sensationalist. It completely destroys any semblance of impartiality and makes you look like trolls.

The irony is that gbatemp has always been a hub for piracy, but now people are trying to project faux morals. It's hilarious.



What are you going on about? TX haven't forced their way in. Half the TX hating trolls seem to think TX are destroying the scene by taking other peoples source, the other TX hating trolls think you can do everything with free tools anyway. It can't be both.

You have no right to tell people whether they should use SX OS or not, it seems more about hating the idea they are making money or that they even exist. If that is true, then just say that. Stop making stuff up to try to make other people hate them.

We don't need SJW here.

Maybe if TX actually did their own work instead of being source code thieving wankers, their rep would be a little better, no? The fact they are trying to force their exclusivity bullshit with RetroArch all the more proves their unscrupulous BS. Why people are defending them like SWJs is beyond me.

 

[smf]

The people making homebrew are here though so they are part of the tribe and get to be defended accordingly.".

I am outraged by the discrimination.

The fact they are trying to force their exclusivity bullshit with RetroArch all the more proves their unscrupulous BS.

I thought that was just shitstirring by libretro SJW, they openly hate TX and are their tactics are similar to Donald Trump.

Why people are defending them like SWJs is beyond me.

If all the TX hating trolls stopped making shit up and were honest, then nobody would be "defending" them. The only SJW here are the TX hating trolls, the rest of us are just sick of the bullshit they are posting

 

[the_randomizer]

I am outraged by the discrimination.

And the blind brand loyalty and sycophancy towards them, acting as though they've done no wrong, isn't as appalling?

 

[smf]

And the blind brand loyalty and sycophancy towards them, acting as though they've done no wrong, isn't as appalling?

What do you mean "wrong", there are two sets of issues mentioned.

1. They keep putting out buggy releases. Well that is only a problem if you are a customer, if you're offended because a product you haven't bought has a bug in it then you should ask some serious questions as to why.

2. The bricking code. Again, only a problem if you're a customer. I've only heard of lots of people being bricked, by people who aren't customers. If there are people being bricked then it's being drowned out by all the crap posts.

3. They steal from other projects. If you release source code then you should expect that, it's unrealistic to think that TX will stop just because you post about it on a forum. It's also unrealistic to think that people who want to pirate games will care that their solution for illegally running games doesn't respect the licenses of the software they stole.

 

[FAST6191]

And the blind brand loyalty and sycophancy towards them, acting as though they've done no wrong, isn't as appalling?

Those sorts are rare enough and happily able to be dismissed though. You get fanboys everywhere and they seldom have much interesting to add to conversations. You eventually learn to filter them out and in this case as they are so few in number it is not even really a problem.

On the flip side if the TX is bad people set wanted to note their legitimate objections and carry on with life then so be it, however we are seeing all sorts of disingenuous arguments, clickbait quality/style writeups and manipulative tactics at least attempting to be employed (stick with the disassembly there dudes, this social engineering lark is clearly not for you) and that is truly fucking aggravating. I don't expect to see such things in these circles, and indeed have not the entire time I have been following such things. Previously you got the odd "hurr durr gbafail" but the sorts of things I see the TX is bad people set consistently attempt... nah.

 

[the_randomizer]

What do you mean "wrong", there are two sets of issues mentioned.

1. They keep putting out buggy releases. Well that is only a problem if you are a customer, if you're offended because a product you haven't bought has a bug in it then you should ask some serious questions as to why.

2. They steal from other projects. If you release source code then you should expect that, it's unrealistic to think that TX will stop just because you post about it on a forum.

Doesn't make it any less of a dick move. Also trying to get RA to stop because reasons? F*ck TX. I'm never buying their shit.

 

[ghjfdtg]

@smf
You should read the original tweets before talking nonsense. The code is actually designed to lock the eMMC no matter if called correctly or not. In his case with a garbage password because he was experimenting with it and feed wrong data into it.
You are just making a fool of yourself mindlessly defending them. But you can keep buying something already available for free.

 

[smf]

Doesn't make it any less of a dick move. Also trying to get RA to stop because reasons? F*ck TX.

Well you know my opinion of RA after dealing with their SJWs, I'd rather deal with TX.

 

[Ev1l0rd]

What are you going on about? TX haven't forced their way in. Half the TX hating trolls seem to think TX are destroying the scene by taking other peoples source, the other TX hating trolls think you can do everything with free tools anyway. It can't be both.

You have no right to tell people whether they should use SX OS or not, it seems more about hating the idea they are making money or that they even exist. If that is true, then just say that. Stop making stuff up to try to make other people hate them.

We don't need SJW here.

Don't put words in my mouth. I do agree they are destroying the scene. You know why? Because they take and don't contribute back. Because they take work made by excellent developers, modify it and refuse to even acknowledge that they took their hard work. Because everything they do shows nothing but utter contempt and disregard for anyone who uses their product and for anyone who doesn't. Because they associate with people that willingly propagate doxxing and other nasty behavior.

You're right. It's not my place to say that you can't use SX OS. What is my place is to thoroughly explain, in detail, why using SX OS is in overall hurtful to a good and healthy homebrew scene and how doing so is supporting terrible actors and letting them propagate their shit.

I don't give a fuck if it's paid or not. What I do give a fuck about is how they're harmful to the scene overall.

 

[smf]

@smf
You should read the original tweets before talking nonsense. The code is actually designed to lock the eMMC no matter if called correctly or not. In his case with a garbage password because he was experimenting with it and feed wrong data into it.

If you bothered to read the conversation then you'll understand that is exactly the point I was making

I was referring to the first part of this

"Including bricking code in earlier builds that if triggered improperly would lock the eMMC with random code from the stack and if triggered properly would use the password "WANNA PLAY ". Note that this trick is also used by Gateway from the 3DS scene, who have a lot of dirt on their name. Not outright saying that they are one and the same, but it's very likely that they are."

Please explain to me how you can blame TX for Mike feeding in a random password??????

You are just making a fool of yourself mindlessly defending them. But you can keep buying something already available for free.

You are making a fool of yourself my mindlessly attacking them.

Don't put words in my mouth. I do agree they are destroying the scene. You know why? Because they take and don't contribute back. Because they take work made by excellent developers, modify it and refuse to even acknowledge that they took their hard work. Because everything they do shows nothing but utter contempt and disregard for anyone who uses their product and for anyone who doesn't.

That doesn't destroy the scene, it just creates an unpleasant feeling for you.

 

[the_randomizer]

If you bothered to read the conversation then you'll understand that is exactly the point I was making

I was referring to the first part of this

"Including bricking code in earlier builds that if triggered improperly would lock the eMMC with random code from the stack and if triggered properly would use the password "WANNA PLAY ". Note that this trick is also used by Gateway from the 3DS scene, who have a lot of dirt on their name. Not outright saying that they are one and the same, but it's very likely that they are."

Please explain to me how you can blame TX for Mike feeding in a random password??????



You are making a fool of yourself my mindlessly attacking them.



That doesn't destroy the scene, it just creates an unpleasant feeling for you.

Keep on being their little white knight all day, because TX can burn in hell for all I care.

 

[xiaNaix]

I'm getting really tired of this charade. Has anyone ever considered that one of these virtuous "homebrew" devs could actually be working with TX? Would you still be whining about "stolen code" then? Would it surprise you to know that the coder(s) of every single flash cart and modchip going back to the days of the original PlayStation also masqueraded as as "homebrew" devs and pretended to be against piracy? If you're wondering how I know all this it's because I've been around for almost 20 years (Goggle me) and, in some cases, I got these people their jobs.

Let me explain how this works, since the majority of you seem to be new to console scenes. "Homebrew" developers announce their console exploit at some hacker conference and bask in the glory of being a hero to "the community." Meanwhile, one or all of their team contact the long-established moneymakers of flash carts and modchips and offer to write code for a commercial device based around these exploits. In most cases we're talking six figure sums here. Do you really think people would spend hundreds or thousands of hours working on this stuff just to release it for free? Don't kid yourselves. Eventually, a commercial device is announced and released. Then, these same "homebrew" devs, continue to release free versions to "the community" that are slightly behind what is going on at the commercial level. Eventually, they release free code to the community that is nearly on par or identical to what the commercial devices are able to do. They then ask the flash cart or modchip maker for more money to either update the current product or release an entirely new device that will be better than what is available freely. This has always been how it works and, as a result, "homebrew" is always several steps behind what is going on behind closed doors. This is no different for the Switch scene.

I'm not going to name any names but you Switch "homebrew" devs know who you are and you know you're full of shit. Do the rest of your "team" know what you're doing? I do.

 

[omegasoul6]

Those sorts are rare enough and happily able to be dismissed though. You get fanboys everywhere and they seldom have much interesting to add to conversations. You eventually learn to filter them out and in this case as they are so few in number it is not even really a problem.

If you think they're few in number you might wanna get your sight checked.

There's a bunch of people on both sides, don't be ridiculous.

 

[smf]

Keep on being their little white knight all day, because TX can burn in hell for all I care.

Right, you hate TX we got that. You don't have to keep making shit up to prove it.

The problem right now is this site is so full of this kind of shit that if TX actually does anything wrong then it just gets lost in the noise.

Some of the RA cores have non commercial use licenses, libretro have setup a business and take money. But apparently because people like libretro it's ok.

 

[the_randomizer]

Right, you hate TX we got that. You don't have to keep making shit up to prove it.

The problem right now is this site is so full of this kind of shit that if TX actually does anything wrong then it just gets lost in the noise.

I'll stop the shitting on them once they do something right for once, but until them, I don't care, I really don't. TX owes you nothing.

 

[ghjfdtg]

Please explain to me how you can blame TX for Mike feeding in a random password?????

Please explain where he blamed them for a random password?????